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Travelling through Europe in winter time : plane or train?

Travelling through Europe in winter time : plane or train?

Sep 24th, 2013, 05:43 PM
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Okay, Dave from Argentina, maybe it’s time for you to formulate your question (again), since your first set of questions didn’t work out:

~ The train fares are not what you said they are

~ There is indeed a “direct” train between Rome and Paris but you don‘t like it

~ You don’t wish to change trains en route so you’re limiting yourself

~ There is no problem with booking a flight from London to Rome

~ You don’t wish to know about better solutions to your flight routes

~ There is nothing any of us can do about the weather - late Winter/early Spring is unpredictable and nobody’s crystal ball can predict what you’ll find, so don’t ask about that again

SO - is there anything left that we can really help you with?
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Sep 24th, 2013, 07:00 PM
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<< ~ The train fares are not what you said they are >>

I never said that I said those were the train fares. I only said what I saw online.

<<~ There is indeed a “direct” train between Rome and Paris but you don‘t like it>>

I would not say I dont like it. I would say that I dont feel comfortable wasting 15 hours from my yearly vacations on a train when I can spend 2 hours on a flight .

<<~ You don’t wish to change trains en route so you’re limiting yourself>>

I actually said that I was willing to change trains but not MULTIPLE times. I even said that I was willing to change trains at least ONCE, but not MULTIPLE times.

<<~ There is no problem with booking a flight from London to Rome>>

Of course there is no problem . That is NOT what I asked. I could book whatever flight Id like iF I wanted to. I asked about the weather conditions during late March since I was planning to fly from Rome to Paris and from London to Rome.

<<~ You don’t wish to know about better solutions to your flight routes>>

Again, I did not ask for help to plan my flights from BA to Europe. I ONLY ASKED about the weather and train fares, etc. Never asked somethin like "whats the best option for me to go from BA to Rome or come back home?". No. NEVER.

<<~ There is nothing any of us can do about the weather - late Winter/early Spring is unpredictable and nobody’s crystal ball can predict what you’ll find, so don’t ask about that again>>

I know nobody has a crystal ball to predict weather, but I thought that probably this is a place where there is people who live in Europe and for that reason, there might be people who can tell me how the weather IN GENERAL is by late March.

Of Course you cant predict weather, but after living 10 , 20 or more years in certain place, you can tell WITHOUT predicting how weather could be in a few months.

<< SO - is there anything left that we can really help you with?>>

No. But I would like to add something:

Some people like mountains, some others prefer the beach or the countryside. The same way some people prefer to travel by train, others by plane, etc.

Travelling is something TOO personal and you can't impose impose YOUR way of doing things to others.

PS: Yes, British Airways provides direct flights to BA from London, the same that Air France provides direct flights from Paris to BA. You guys have NO IDEA how expensive plane tickets are in Argentina. Those two airlines are even more expensive than an average airline. So , didnt you stop one minute to think why I am planning my trip like this instead of the way you want me to do it? It is very simple to give opinions if you dont even live in Argentina and have no clue about plane ticket prices. Too easy I would say.

Thanks for all your help anyway. Now I learned a lot more about trains in Europe, fares and weather. And thats actually THE ONLY HELP I REQUESTED. Never asked for help regarding my flight ticket options from BA or anything like that. Thanks
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Sep 24th, 2013, 07:10 PM
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"when I can spend 2 hours on a flight"

The flight time may be two hours, but city center to city center will be a lot more.

I see that you are new to Fodors. You do not control what gets posted on a thread you have started, and being rude to posters will not improve the replies you get.
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Sep 25th, 2013, 12:12 AM
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So, are you considering the train from Paris to Amsterdam?
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Sep 25th, 2013, 01:09 AM
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I would fly from Paris to Rome, first off, its not that long as some like to make it ,, its 1.5 hrs flight time, 35 minutes getting to the airport from Paris, and you only have to be there 1.5 hrs ahead of time for inter europeon flight.. then time into Rome, about 45 minutes ( as I recall , could be less or more by 5 minutues ) . So total time is less then 5 hours.. sorry, train is 15 freaking hours and not that fun unless you can afford to pay for the most expensive private cabin, otherwise you are sharing with 5 other strangers in a 6 bed couchette. yuck,, no private bathroom, and noisey and bumpy.. the romance of train travel is not there for me.

However, for shorter trips train is great, I took Amsterdam to Paris last summer, I paid 35 euros, so I have no idea where you are getting your high prices from..

I recommend a combination of train and plane. I used Easyjet and Vueling last summer , I have used both before, I think they are just fine, flights are so short do you need luxury? Even with paying extra for luggage our flight from Barcelona to Paris was less then 50 euros each.. very cheap, with Easyjet.

With train or plane tickets, book as far out in advance as they allow for best prices, varies from 90-120 days out for trains, not sure for planes.

Book direct.. I used Thalys, Eurostar, Easyjet , iDTGV and Vueling last trip.
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Sep 25th, 2013, 03:26 AM
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Why is it that some people insist on believing that the truth is always somehow negative?

And Justine, not everyoidy rides in couchettes on the train
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Sep 25th, 2013, 04:47 AM
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There are four bed couchettes as well as six. I have slept well in couchettes.

I agree with mixing train and plane, but most of the extra ten hours would likely be spent sleeping and eating.
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Sep 25th, 2013, 06:34 AM
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@thursdaysd I am not being rude to posters at all. I am just responding the same way some people responded to me. If you respond to me in a rude way, I will do the same. If not, I dont have any reason on rude responding. i might sound agressive to those who also posted in an agressive way. I was polite and patient from the beginning , but that does not make me stupid.

@justineparis Thats exactly the way I think ! Flying from Rome to Paris and train for shorter trips (like Paris to Amsterdam, Amsterdam to London).
Even if i were on a luxury cabin on the train, I would NOT spend 15 hours sitting on a freaking train. No way. Besides, who wants to spend 15 hs on a train during a pleasure trip?
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Sep 25th, 2013, 07:20 AM
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"Besides, who wants to spend 15 hs on a train during a pleasure trip?"

Quite a lot of people. Just look at the ridership on the cross Canada and cross US routes, not to mention the Trans-Siberian and Trans-Mongolian, which take several days. Long distance Indian trains are often over-subscribed, too. Just because you don't have trains in Argentina, doesn't mean they're not popular elsewhere.
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Sep 25th, 2013, 07:29 AM
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thursday,, sorry , no,, "the ridership across Canada" ,, what on earth are you talking about,, a few rich old people take some luxury train rides,, and they are in the HUGE minority...

Trains are popular and well used in Europe, but not in Canada.. unless you are freight or old and rich.. period. ( or maybe a travel agent, lol )

And many people find they have their limit on trains too,, for me its about 5-6 hours max,, I prefer less then 4-5.

And, 6 bed couchettes are the cheapest. And bathrooms are always shared down the hall .. yum..

Dukey, reread my post,, it clearly says unless you can afford PRIVATE cabins you will be in a shared couchette.. so duh,, I realize some people do not have to subject themselves to couchettes.. people with money. ( People with generous budgets never really seem to "get it" that others may have to travel differently) If you read OPs posts its easy to see they are not on an unlimited budget and willing to pay whatever just to have the experience of being on a train for hours and hours and hours.
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Sep 25th, 2013, 09:50 AM
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I rode the Canadian from Vancouver to Jasper to Toronto, and other trains from Toronto to Ottawa to Montreal just last year. All the trains were full, and not with rich old people (they were on the Rocky Mountaineer). The long distance trains in North America have perfectly adequate showers, and some of the trains have private toilets even in the cheapest sleepers (no couchettes in NA).

And no, I do not have a generous budget.
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Sep 25th, 2013, 12:55 PM
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@thursdaysd Your reply was so funny. I never said that we don't have trains in Argentina. We actually have a lot of trains that run throughout the country. I only said that I NEVER used a train before and that is not common in South America and/or North America to travel throughout the continent by train, because the American continent is a lot larger than Europe so that would not be practical at all. . For this reason, Europe can be easily toured by train because it is a lot smaller than the continent where I live

I had no clue that the sleeper train from Rome to Paris had couchettes. I had to google that . And that is another reason for not taking that train
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Sep 25th, 2013, 12:57 PM
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In fact, only low class people in Argentina ride trains. Most people own cars or they just prefer to take a plane.
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Sep 25th, 2013, 01:11 PM
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<< I had no clue that the sleeper train from Rome to Paris had couchettes. I had to google that . And that is another reason for not taking that train >>

Why are you biased against trains that have couchettes? Is it OK to take trains once the sleeper compartments have been detached?
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Sep 25th, 2013, 01:17 PM
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I am not used to sharing my private space with other people.

For example, when I travel I tend to book hotels or apartments. I am not a hostel guy. If I go to a hostel, I try to find one that offers private room with ensuite bathroom.
I hate sharing amenities with people that I dont know. The same would happen with the train I guess. I dont picture myself sharing the cabin with other people.
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Sep 25th, 2013, 01:48 PM
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OK - you did not say that you didn't want to share a compartment. Your objection was that the train contained couchette compartments.

You can book a single berth sleeper and sleep by yourself (not sharing) which you would have known if you'd read seat61.com

You're sharing your private space on a plane - there will be someone in the seat next to you (usually) and if not next to you there will be people in front or behind you.

I don't care how you get from Rome to Paris but originally you claimed you would not take the train because there is no direct train then when you found out there was a direct train you would not take the train because of the amount of time. Now you will not take the train because there are couchettes.

Why put up all these objections against the train when you're planning to fly? What difference does it make if there are couchettes on the train?
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Sep 25th, 2013, 02:07 PM
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@adrienne You say "originally you claimed you would not take the train because there is no direct train then when you found out there was a direct train you would not take the train because of the amount of time. Now you will not take the train because there are couchettes. "

You're wrong. I originally posted " I have been doing some research about the train fares between each city (from Rome to Paris I have no choice but to buy a flight ticket since there is no direct train)."

I meant : "There are no direct trains from Rome to Paris that last a reasonable amount of time". I knew about the existence of the sleeper train. I even read seat61 a while ago and knew about it but I did not even consider it due to the amount of time it takes to get to Paris.

The other reasons that I explained are not "disposable" to the original one . I mean: BESIDES of the amount of time I will have to sleep with other people in couchettes". Those reasons are accumulative.

My question was not "How to go from Rome to Paris by train" .

I dont know why people keep insisting on the same thing.

Of course you share space in a plane, but its just sitting for less than 2 hours and thats it.

On the sleeper train that you guys proposed I would have to see and listen how others sleep, the noises they make while they sleep and do their "stuff" .

That's not something I am used to and am not willing to go through that if I can avoid it.
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Sep 25th, 2013, 02:08 PM
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@adrienne "You can book a single berth sleeper and sleep by yourself (not sharing) which you would have known if you'd read seat61.com"

And pay a fortune for a 15 hs trip ? No, thanks.
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Sep 25th, 2013, 02:13 PM
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<<<< I originally posted " I have been doing some research about the train fares between each city (from Rome to Paris I have no choice but to buy a flight ticket since there is no direct train)."

I meant : "There are no direct trains from Rome to Paris that last a reasonable amount of time".>>>>

Just as you said that there were no direct flight from London or Paris to BsAs when you actually meant there were no cheap direct flights.

You will find that communication here works a great deal better IF YOU SAY WHAT YOU MEAN.
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Sep 25th, 2013, 02:19 PM
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@thursdaysd Well, that suggestion is pretty funny coming from someone who said that I stated that "there are not trains in Argentina".

Let me quote you: "Just because you don't have trains in Argentina, doesn't mean they're not popular elsewhere".

And I actually never stated that
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