So refusing to become a sucker, means you feel OK about sneaking extra people into hotel room?

Seems a bit of a stretch to me.

And I hope you're good friends because two people in a "twin" bed are going to become very close very quick!

The OP already said that there was a mistake in saying 'twin' beds instead of 'two' beds.

I have also noted that not a single person replied with an anecdote of having had problems in such a situation.

I have however read quite a few criminal fantasies on this thread.

"not a single person replied with an anecdote of having had problems in such a situation" - no doubt because it hasn't occurred to anyone else to try putting three people into a double room instead of booking a triple. Did I miss a post from someone who did it without problems?

Thurs; Actually a while back, in the 60s while motoring in Switzerland, we stopped at a small Gasthaus and I asked for a room for 3. There was a huge problem when the proprietor saw my two companions were female. I got a lecture in German, on what God would think of me etc. etc. Well we ended up with 2 rooms just to keep the peace. It was a VERY small village, by the way.

That's true. We're still waiting to hear from a poster who has tried this... successfully or otherwise.

Okay, I read the entire thread, and I have to say, jsims, that YOU are the problem with the rude people in Paris, or any other tourist destination, for that matter. You are looking to do things dishonestly, or on the cheap, and are probably the reason that the waiter is surly by the time he has to re-set the table for his lunch guest. You probably skunked him on the tip because you didn't get your free refills fast enough.

I loved the reference to Kohlberg's Theory of Moral Development. Some will only act appropriately if there is a punitive result. Finding your moral compass is quite the revelation, whether voluntarily or otherwise.

A hotel agreement is a contract. You pay a certain rate and they provide a certain service with terms and conditions. If you don't like their terms and conditions requiring payment on a per-guest basis, then stay elsewhere. If you stay three to a room where you're only paying for two, that's a breach of that contract.

So, if you love your US hotels with their US policies so much, apply a little US contract law to your scenario. Who's the Ugly American?

Can't find anything about actual experiences about sneaking in a third person but did find something about "sneaking in a pet to avoid paying the pet fee" on another board. Poster there maintained they were caught once sneaking in a cat and had to pay a fine of $200.

Another poster on the same board alleges the fine for pet sneaking is twice the deposit if caught, but admits to sneaking in pets.

Others maintain high pet fees are a way of discouraging pets.

Personally I think that maybe the pet fee is misunderstood. It's not a fee for keeping one's own pet in a room, it's a fee for renting a pet for pet-lonely human hotel guests. Just go down to the front desk, fork over &euro; 25, and stipulate &quot;Here's for my <i> chien </i>: I'll have a labrador, please.&quot;

I confess this would be one hotel room accessory I'd like to sneak out with me when I left....

As a motel owner...This sucks.

We often get people who arrive and say they are 4 adults but never mention their 4 kids in the car.

It does hurt. It costs more money for 3 people than 2 just to heat the water, water usage is higher, it costs more to clean the room as 3 people will make more mess than 2 people. Your argument that it only hurts the &quot;Big Business&quot; types who steal your money anyways...is ridiculous. You CHOOSE to stay there. If you don't like it, don't stay there....


We charge a pet fee for our pet friendly units because it costs more to clean them properly. The next person checking in does not want your Dog hair on their clothes. I have seen people try to sneak some in. We have specifically designated rooms for pets because SOME people have severe allergies and cannot be in a room where a pet was. I have to have that option to give them.

I just want to say, if it's the price, find a place for 3 you can afford or STAY HOME...you are the quintessential UGLY tourist. It's disgusting.

I have a lot of customers like you. You don't think the rules apply to you. Must be nice to be so special. You are the person who creates all these rules by doing these things.

I hope I never see you at my business....

You won't.

Thank God...

&quot;I have also noted that not a single person replied with an anecdote of having had problems in such a situation&quot;

This did happen to us once. Four of us were traveling to Budapest, dh, I and 2 friends. I had booked 2 rooms. One of the friends had invited a 3rd party to stay in the pre-booked hotel room. The hotel was very nice about it and furnished a roll away bed, for a small charge. Apparently, the friend who invited the extra person had to sleep on the roll away.

It was taken care of simply because they weren't sneaky about it.

&quot;I have also noted that not a single person replied with an anecdote of having had problems in such a situation&quot;

This did happen to us once. Four of us were traveling to Budapest, dh, I and 2 friends. I had booked 2 rooms. One of the friends had invited a 3rd party to stay in the pre-booked hotel room. The hotel was very nice about it and furnished a roll away bed, for a small charge. Apparently, the friend who invited the extra person had to sleep on the roll away.

It was taken care of simply. And they were saved the shame of doing the wrong thing. But maybe the OP likes that feeling, who really cares about him anyway?

Photobear, you don't need to justify why you charge more for a third person or a pet or whatever.

For a market to be deemed unfair, a person otherwise interested in making a contract has to be considered desperate to make that agreement - and by desperate, it is not simply a case of either party, vendor or buyer, simply not planning well, for example. And an unfair market certainly isn't a case of, &quot;it doesn't suit my interests to keep the terms of the contract to which I've just agreed, so I'm going to reneg on them after the fact.&quot; In short, in a fair market you can charge what you darn well please, with good reason, with bad reason, or even no reason at all. This isn't a case of you as vendor 'making all the rules' despite what jsims claims, since in a fair market, buyer is free to enact the rule of buyer choice, and take their business to the competition. Both parties are thus empowered.

I referred to the pet charge thread from another board mainly as a pretext for making a little lighthearted commentary, don't take it seriously.

jsims, if you don't like the hotel's policies, or if it doesn't fit your political beliefs, offends your idea of fairness, etc. etc., then why reward the hotel by staying there at all, i.e. even for a double occupancy rate? You express a concern for not being a sucker, yet you seem to have suckered yourself into the idea that you have no alternatives, such that getting 3 for 2 is a 'problem' for you.

This is nuts, you have gazillions of alternatives. There is no problem, except in your own imagination.

jsims: Sorry - but you are snarky, amoral and a real prince!

And you are <u>proud</u> of it, no less. Your earlier threads make it very clear you are rude and should really just stay home. Remember - • You won't get free re-fills • and people in France will speak French to you.

Some of our fellow countrymen/women have a snit when we say someone is an &quot;Ugly American&quot;. Well folks - here we have one in the flesh . . . . . . .

If you can't afford the trip don't go. (may the change/cancellation gods hit your flights big time)

Maybe you could bring an empty suitcase with you and make off with the sheets, towels, lamps, etc.; since you don't want to &quot;be a sucker&quot;

Shhhhhhhh!
Don't give the slimy little crook any ideas.

<i>I on the other hand refuse to be a sucker...</i>

But he or she is effectively a parasite who tries to avoid paying the going rates for services thereby pushing them up for the rest of us who do.

I have often heard the term 'Ugly American'. Now I know what it means.

Just hope that no disaster occurs at the hotel. In the event of a fire, for instance, the fire crews would not know to look for a third, unregistered guest - amd you wouldn't wish to inconvenience them, would you! Which one of you is least important?

Hotels, airlines, restaurants, have had to tolerate us suckers over the years stealing everything from ashtrays, to robes, to towels, to magazines, to food, to cutlery, to soap and water, to menus, etc - you get the idea. So when customers such as yourself decide to &quot;steal a good or service&quot; it begins to take its toll. Over time things begin to cost more, goods and services, wages, transportation, food, etc. The cost of replacing those items gets passed onto the next customer - me and the posters on this site who have traveled and paid for their accommodations. Smaller hotels will notice an extra person, a larger one may not - but they do have security cameras and they do require that you register your passports. You may after your trip feel you got over on the large corporations but the next time you travel factor in the increase you have caused yourself and us.

Guest taking advantage from hotels are all over. We owned a boutique hotel in South Beach, one French guy ate 7+ hard boil eggs at breakfast and his name was not Michael , and an American guy ate all the croissants ( big ones) in a tray. In small hotels you prepare breakfast more or less in relation of how many guests you have that day, let us say you have X guests so you that morning you order X+ 10% croissants because they are big. But this guy ate a lot of croissants. Those things hurt as it hurts when people takes with them food from the buffet table.
One couple took, ...can you believe?, not an apple or a banana but most of the fresh bagette bread.
What I wish to point out is that we were inmediately aware who was doing this un fair things. You take it with the good and the bad, and we had wonderful guests most of the time....