No. It isn't going to rain while we are there.

And anyway, we don't melt.

I got tickets for Benfica vs Man Utd. I'll be there split down the middle having worked for Benfica years ago but too being a united fan. Still after a few beers downtown before kick off the result won't matter too much...

So question is do I wear my Man U top in the Benfica section? Or cheer if they score?

I'll be the one with the banner saying "Hello all at Fodors.com"...

You won't have the ooportunity to cheer Man U goals... unless Benfica decides to concede 1 or 2 goals, just to make the game more interesting during the 2nd half.

To anybody staying in any hotel bordering the Park Edward 7th:
One of the most interesting spots of Lisbon is also one of the most unknown. Estufa Fria is a giant greenhouse with flora from all over the world, mostly tropical. It was designed in the early 20th century.
With the cost of 1 or 2 euros, a visitor may have a very relaxed afternoon, in the midlle of Lisbon.

No contributions today. I'm still licking the wounds...

Some notes to Sher:
Vila Nova 1000Fontes has my very favourite fish restaurant. It's "A Choupana" in Praia do Farol (Light house Beach). It's a low scale, unpretentious restaurant, made in wood, win sinful good grilled fish. It's 5 meters from the sand and 20 meters far from the ocean. My favourite is "Dourada grelhada", but if you prefer other fish just point the raw fish and say "I want this" and they grill it 4u. They accept credit cards and usual ways of payment. The phone number is 283996643. Another very good option is a pizza restaurant (Pateo da Pizza", with one part under a roof and the other part is a pateo (open yard). I went to another place called "A fonte", managed by a foreigner (Dutch or German) a few years ago and I loved it. I went there more recently and I felt it very degraded (the food and the place) and expensive.
In Choupana, if you go there for lunch, it makes a good leisure afternoon to ask a drink and stay there for one or two extra hours. They won't urge you to leave.

On the way up, the place worth of a short visit is Sines, the birth place of Vasco da Gama. Avoid the super highway and take the road by the sea along the Troia peninsula. In Troia there is a ferry boat taking the cars and people to Setubal. In October, by lunch time, I think you should be nearly the only passangers. With a lot of luck it's possible to see the dolphins, but don't be too optimistic about that.
From Setubal, keep going north along the Atlantic to a place called Portinho da Arrabida. It's a bautiful, tiny place, with a nice beach and some fish and shellfish restaurants. Keep going north, and eventually you'll reach the 25th April bridge (the golden gate) and Lisbon. This is not too difficult to navigate, but you need a decent map. Either bridge you take, I think the good option os to return the car in the airport.

lobo_mau. Thanks for the notes on our return to Lisbon.
That is perfect. We told Paulo that we would be in Lisbon late in the afternoon as we will want to nake our way leisurely up the coast.

See you soon.

We had an incredible time in Lisbon thanks to the kindness, generosity and hospitality of Lobo, Loba, Matt and Gertrude.

We're looking forward to our next visit to Lisbon and to Portugal.

Here's our Trip Report:

http://fodors.com/forums/threadselec...p;tid=34878961

David & Susan (dwsnyder)

Sorry,

I should have said "Thanks to the kindness, generosity and hospitality of Lobo, Gertrude (Loba), Matt and Liz" !

David

For visitors approaching Vasco da Gama bridge from South, I recommend Freeport Alcochete (outlet mall outside Lisbon).
It has all the fashion shops available in Lisbon, with 60 and 70% discounts. Freeport has over 200 shops and restaurants.
Avoid week ends and non working days.

Lisbon's city authorities are leading an investment of 1.1 billion euros over the next 14 years to face lift the historical area (downtown and Chiado).
The general idea is that besides Rossio and Chiado, there is a lot of degradation.
I hope to outcome to be a new city, more friendly.

The shopping mall looks very nice. Maybe we can stop on our way into Lisbon.
Thanks

A fresh report is up at The Lisbon Dining Club:

http://fodors.com/forums/threadselec...p;tid=34817677

"Dinner with David".

1 down, 2 to go...

BTW been following the news about my beloved NYC, oh boy did my heart miss a beat when I heard the headline "Plane crashes into Manhattan building."

My thoughts are wiht all of you. (And about going to be!)

Take care and speak soon,

Matt

Correction:

My thoughts are with you.

And about going to Bed.

It's late, been drinking, now going to bed.

Matt

Hello! I have enjoyed reading your amiable correspondence for some weeks while planning my first trip to Portugal. My wife & I shall be in Lisbon 10/19 and 20. Any chance of meeting up with a Dinner Club group? We shall be leaving on the 21st for one night in Tomar, then onto the Algarve for a week and 2 nights in Granada to see the Alhambra. We are first time travelers to Portugal. If we don't meet, I feel fortunate to have met you via the internet and hope to dine where you have had pleasant evenings.

beachman, we are meeting next Friday for a late (light) dinner with Newcomer. Please Email me to [email protected] and I'll reply with details and my telephone number.

ttt

Next 11 and 12th November there will be the 23rd Marvao Chessnut Fair.

You can't believe what is possible to do from chessnuts, from soups to desserts.

http://www.azenhadoramalho.com/marvao.htm

I'l be there with the whole wolves pack, for a program including evetually dining in Adega do Isaias in Estremoz and staying in Sogra's Inn.

It's raining. Good day to stay home.