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Old Sep 11th, 2024 | 02:40 PM
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Switzerland rail itinerary - any suggestions please

I am tentatively planning a trip thru Switzerland using rail and bus transport in April 2025. Any suggestions, comments, please send them. We will arrive in Geneva , then travel to Zermatt on the Matterhorn Gotthard Bahn - 2 overnights in Zermatt, bus to Gimmelwald stay 2 nights, bus or train to Interlaken - overnight, then Zurich for an overnight to fly back to the USA on the following day... I am still researching the cost factor, the rail/bus system.. we only have 8 days - that includes the day we arrive in Geneva to the day we leave in Zurich. Is this a ridiculous plan or does anyone have any better suggestions that would help. Thank you in advance.
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Old Sep 11th, 2024 | 03:16 PM
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Because Swiss public transportation is excellent, relocating with frequency is not as problematic as it is in my countries, but still, note that you would have less than 2 days in any of these places. Whether that's enough for you really depends on what you want to see and do.

Personally, I would not stay in Interlaken. You might extend your time in the Bernese Oberland (In Gimmelwald or Lauterbrunnen or Wengen, for example) or, if you really want some time on / near one of the lakes in that part of Switzerland, consider Thun.

Switzerland is stunning!

I'm sure others with more knowledge will chime in if there are any specific concerns about traveling in April.
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Old Sep 11th, 2024 | 03:54 PM
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First off, do be aware that April is still winter, and this will affect what you can do in Zermatt - if your visit is after Easter, expect a lot of closures, as ski season will be pretty much over.

You can't take a bus to Gimmelwald - perhaps you mean Grindelwald? Regardless, Gimmelwald isn't a good option, especially in April. It's a village of about 130 people with not much on offer. I suspect a lot will be closed in Grindelwald as well. And by that I mean, hotels, restaurants, cable cars and gondolas. Do your due diligence, or you could very well be disappointed.

I'm with kja - don't stay in Interlaken. I don't understand the fascination with first time visitors and Interlaken. It's not a very pleasant place to stay.

Keep in mind that two nights is only one full day, so you'll be very limited in what you can see and do; and that's assuming anything will even be open.
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Old Sep 12th, 2024 | 03:01 AM
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thank you so much for your advice.. Expert suggestions that will now change my route. again - thank you
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Old Sep 12th, 2024 | 03:05 AM
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April does make this a winter event.. what would you suggest for us - any of the panoramic trains or not ? We would like to see the Matterhorn, Mont Blanc, any lake - we wanted a scenic ride thru Switzerland.. starting in Geneva but ending in Zurich... Interlaken can be taken out of the equation too.
Any help on this is really appreciated.
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any suggestions of the route - just need an international airport to return to the USA at the end.. but we will be arriving from Munich... again - thanks to all for your advice and suggestions...I am looking at staying overnight (s ) anywhere to break up a train ride if needed..

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Old Sep 12th, 2024 | 04:13 AM
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I'd never discourage anyone from visiting Switzerland at any time, I just wanted you to be aware of potential issues.

We often visit in winter (we're winter hikers), but April is more between seasons. More mud than snow in some areas. While there is skiing in Zermatt year round (glaciers), I'm not sure to what extent in April - we were there once at Easter and were surprised how busy it was, but I got the distinct impression it was on the cusp of getting very quiet. Not that quiet is a bad thing. You'll just need to research a bit, make sure that what you want to do is open. When we moved on to Lauterbrunnen later that trip, just about every business was closed post-Easter.

Sounds like you don't have a firm plan yet though, so yes, panoramic trains are nice year round, but best seen enroute to someplace rather than just for the sake of the ride. Do keep in mind that there's no need to pay for a panoramic train carriage - many trains in Switzerland follow the same route, so no need to shell out for a specific carriage with "panoramic windows", the views are the same from any carriage on the same route.

If the Matterhorn is a must, by all means head to Zermatt. You'll find lakes in many places - Zurich, Lucerne, St Moritz, Thun, Brienz, Lugano, Geneva, etc. They're everywhere - just Google Swiss Lakes and you'll find dozens of them. You're really spoiled for choice.
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Old Sep 12th, 2024 | 04:37 AM
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We were just there in August, a few thoughts. If you arrive in Geneva consider a base in Montreux, where the weather will be milder, perhaps 60 degrees...you can ride the ferries on the lake and go to France and there many interesting things to do there...because it is still winter take an extended day trip to go see your mountains but it will be cold, and return to Montreux. Trains are frequent, fast and precise. A day trip to Interlaken, but only to catch the ferry to Brienz....keep your stuff in the hotel room and don't lug it around ..enjoy more moderate weather ..then, a scenic trip by rail from Montreux to Zurich. I don't like cold, nor crowds. Montreux may provide a good base to see and do much of what you are seeking. Just my thoughts.
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Old Sep 12th, 2024 | 08:52 AM
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Re: the panoramic trains: Most (maybe all?) travel the same rails as normal trains, so no need to take a panoramic train unless it suits your purpose.
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Old Sep 13th, 2024 | 06:49 AM
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You can see a lot in Switzerland in 8 days. In April, train and cable car rides rather than hikes will be the way to go. The tricky thing in the high mountains is always the weather; not much point in going up into the mountains if you are going to have your views obscured by clouds. That's why I usually suggest that you base somewhere for several days so that you can tailor your activities to the weather. But, with your limited timeline, and this time of year, maybe moving around a bit at slightly lower elevations would be better.

Regarding things on your list, Mont Blanc is in France. There are lots of lakes in Switzerland. The eastern end of Lake Geneva (Lac Leman), is rather scenic in its own right. I would consider getting the 8 day Swiss Travel Pass. Take the train to Zermatt and spend two days, then take the train through Interlaken (don't stay there) to somewhere in the Berner Oberland (Grindewald would be fine, as would Wengen) which you could use as a base for 3 nights to explore this region (or, if the weather is bad, take a daytrip to Bern, Thun, or Brienz). Next, I would go to Luzern and spend a couple of nights there before ending in Zurich. Something like that would give you a pretty good cross section.
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Old Sep 14th, 2024 | 09:37 AM
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Thank you to everyone !! This is great information and will help plan this adventure... I really appreciate all the input. More questions and suggestions may be warranted because I am wanting to see it all. The pitfalls of traveling !
Thank you again and again and again !
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Old Sep 15th, 2024 | 01:53 AM
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Our hotel's owner advised us to avoid Grindelwald, and having made a transfer there, I agree. It reminded me of Gatlinburg. Way touristy.

My wife and I could not understand why people stayed there longer than it took to catch trains.

She said her guests routinely returned from Grindelwald wishing they had not gone.

Wengen is wonderful, and you can access lots of good things from there.

The trains to Wengen are 2nd class only, and they were usually packed in September.

Don't forget to request stops when needed. The trains don't automatically stop everywhere.
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Old Sep 16th, 2024 | 08:06 AM
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advice please on the tentative plan: we only have 4 nights ( mid April ) in Switzerland ...3 full days only
arrive Geneva, train to Montreaux and stay 4 nights..
1 day - train to Zermott and take the Gonergrat cog rail
1 day - train to Bern with possible time for Thun
1 day - explore Montreaux and possible go to Lausaunne
return to Geneva - overnight and depart to the USA the next day..
if I can squeeze another day out of my friends - would a day train ride to Annecy, France from Geneva be worth it ?

any suggestions, comments please advise - I really appreciate anything...
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I think you might consider the many wonderful things around Montreux and a bit closer if you only have three days. Spend a day locally...walk by the lake, late morning go to the casino, see the wonderful Freddie Mercury studio and exhibit...then take a three hour lunch cruise on the ferry, on Lac Leman...then to the Charlie Chaplin museum, well worth the visit. If pressed for time no need to see the castle. Then the ferry to Lausanne for dinner, and back. A day trip to Evian, France on the ferry....or go by rail to Interlaken and catch the ferry there to Brienz. Or by rail to Gruyere early to see cheese being made, have fondue and visit the town. All very scenic rail journeys and wonderful to look at and experience.. A full day trip, maybe venture to the mountains...the Matterhorn and other mountain trains are not covered by rail passes and are quite expensive and it takes time. I'd say spend a lot of time on the ferries and locally around Montreux and not try to hit every place possible you will be on trains all the time. Stop and savor the area.
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Old Sep 16th, 2024 | 09:59 AM
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From Montreux, you can take the cogwheel rail to Rochers-de-Naye -- stunning views!
And of course, Chateau Chillon.
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Old Sep 16th, 2024 | 12:56 PM
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Originally Posted by wildiowa
I think you might consider the many wonderful things around Montreux and a bit closer if you only have three days. Spend a day locally...walk by the lake, late morning go to the casino, see the wonderful Freddie Mercury studio and exhibit...then take a three hour lunch cruise on the ferry, on Lac Leman...then to the Charlie Chaplin museum, well worth the visit. If pressed for time no need to see the castle. Then the ferry to Lausanne for dinner, and back. A day trip to Evian, France on the ferry....or go by rail to Interlaken and catch the ferry there to Brienz. Or by rail to Gruyere early to see cheese being made, have fondue and visit the town. All very scenic rail journeys and wonderful to look at and experience.. A full day trip, maybe venture to the mountains...the Matterhorn and other mountain trains are not covered by rail passes and are quite expensive and it takes time. I'd say spend a lot of time on the ferries and locally around Montreux and not try to hit every place possible you will be on trains all the time. Stop and savor the area.
I agree. If you've only got 3, stay somewhere on the Eastern end of Lake Geneva. Montreux and Vevey would be good options. We stayed at Auberge de la Gare at Grandvaux in the Lavaux vineyards and loved it. You can get anywhere on the lake by train in a relatively short time if you are close to a train station.
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Old Sep 16th, 2024 | 01:51 PM
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Thank you everyone who posted... I really need to rein in my travel ideas... after I redo my itinerary, I will post for review ...
once again - I want to see everything but I have to stick to our time frame...and with it being in April, I know that limits alot...
We want to see Matterhorn, snow covered mountains, valleys, lakes, just the beauty of Switzerland.. we won't be hiking, and not renting a car..
thank you again...the advice and suggestions are very much appreciated.
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