Smoking - Great Britain

May 24th, 2006, 03:55 AM
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Even though I no longer smoke, this banning stuff makes me a bit nervous without trying to accomodate everyone (i.e. outdoor smoking patios, etc.)

Since we want to make the world healthier, let's ban alcohol, Twinkies, Big Macs & whatever your vice is including unprotected sex. Obesity & cholesterol problems due to junk food, Aids, drunk driving, domestic abuse & crime due to alcohol sure make that an expensive proposition. And let's not say one person drinking doesn't affect others. I've had tragedies in my life where it did.
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May 24th, 2006, 04:13 AM
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What gives me the right pip about this (and frankly just about everything that this government of incompetent jocks does) is the complete lack of any kind of joined-up coherent thinking.

While we are banning smoking in pubs the same bunch of lefty idiots are changing the planning laws to turn our town centres into rows of 24 hour alcopop drinking barns.

The self same tartan raj today announced that it will allow up to ten “super casinos” which will hoover the housekeeping out of peoples wallets and purses faster than anything else.

These shortbread munching bandits need to decide if they believe in individual freedom or not.
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May 24th, 2006, 04:20 AM
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I wonder if we we end up with Smoke-easies?
You'll tap on a wooden panel in a backstreet, a grille will open and a face will peer out suspiciously.
"Joe sent me", you'll mutter and you'll enter a smoke filled room with scantily dressed cigarette girls plying their wares.

Booze was served in teapots in the old version of the speakesy. I wonder how you could disguise a fag.
Dodgy blokes will sidle up to you in the street, "Psst, wanna buy a Woodbine?"
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May 24th, 2006, 04:35 AM
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"shortbread munching bandits"
After reading your newspapers on vacation, I have to agree. We have our share of nuts in government but yours are more entertaining & REALLY out there.

And the speak-easy scenario might really happen! Gee, if they ban smoking in public in France & several French quit smoking, does that mean those skinny women will get fat?
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May 24th, 2006, 04:37 AM
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It will soon be easier to smoke a spliff than have a snout. People will be going to Amsterdam to have a fag with their beer.
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May 24th, 2006, 05:21 AM
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Thank you David. Classic messages from you this morning.

First I need to get the screen cleaner to clear the coffee from my monitor then I'm nipping out onto Sauchiehall Street for my lunchtime Embassy Regal.

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May 24th, 2006, 05:44 AM
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"Generally speaking, smokers are found in their own (or other smokers') homes, or on the streets"

Nonsense, virtually everyone in hotel bars tend to smoke. I can't stand this idea of non-smoking everywhere, if you don't like it, don't go there. So much atmosphere will be lost in once characterful bars...why everyone doesn't live in a boiler suit with an oxygen tank strapped to their back I do not know.

The effects of "passive smoking" are actually negligible. The studies that claim they vastly increase the risk of smoking associated diseases are sadly misplaced, e.g. if out of a study of two groups of 1000 persons the control group has 10 people suffering from smoking associated diseases and the exposed group has 11 suffering from the same due to exposure to second-hand smoke does that mean you are ten per cent more likely to be at risk? Tabloids like to play around with figures and misquote such studies which have as yet failed to provide any conclusive evidence. I agree with David Hockney in saying that a smoking ban in LA which has a far more outdoors lifestyle than say London is fairer, but to banish people from bars is madness. I wonder if the great hotels will simply let people be in the small hours...I do hope so!
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May 24th, 2006, 05:59 AM
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" So much atmosphere will be lost in once characterful bars..."

Huh?? How does allowing people to puff on cancer sticks take away the atmosphere from a bar??????

No matter how people try to spin it...

1. Allowing people to puff on cancer sticks causes discomfort to others.

2. It is far fairer to ban a smoker to some place where his or her willingness to jeopardize his or her health and the health of others to some place where this risk is minimized then to tell a person they have to expose their lungs to this nauseating and death dealing garbage.
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May 24th, 2006, 06:16 AM
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I think now would be a good time to invest in outside patio heaters. Most pubs seem to be intending to introduce some sort of terrace for the snoutcasts.
Do you think that we may be going back to the days of the lock-in? A smoke in?

I think that hotels may be covered somewhat differently – as people live there. You are still allowed to smoke in mental institutions and prisons.
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May 24th, 2006, 06:18 AM
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I haven't read the whole thread because when push comes to shove, it's the same old arguments. Look, if you don't like smoke don't go anywhere that allows it.

Easy. It's a free country - you can choose where to eat; where to go, etc, etc.

I look forward to a time when places can advertise themselves as "for smokers only" like Macdonalds should be advertising themselves as "for the wanting heart disease only".

I get pretty sick of the smoking police. So a word from the obesity police.

Far more deaths these days from obesity. Think we should ban obese people from all public places, effecive immediately.

And you may say, their eating habits do not affect people "passively" - but they sure do affect us all in the impact they have on (a) the health service (b) the environment - all those fast food wrappers discarded, and, jeez. walking past one of those places with the smell of stale fat makes me want to spew - never mind the stink it leaves on my clothes.

Think about it.
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May 24th, 2006, 06:22 AM
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Some hotel rooms are exempted in Scotland, along old peoples' homes and prisons. Although there is talk of non-smoking prisoners suing if they have to share space with a smoker.

I don't know the truth about the danger from passive smoking : I just think it's really unpleasant; so since it is now a minority who smoke, they shouldn't inflict it on the majority. And yes, I am a former smoker myself.
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May 24th, 2006, 06:34 AM
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Smoking is a filthy, disgusting habit, and smokers are weak and/or stupid.

And 98% of them are litterbugs.

Everytime I see one flick a spent butt out a car window, a small part of me wishes that person the slow, cruel death that they are likely to experience.
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May 24th, 2006, 06:59 AM
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Personally, I will not allow anyone to use hair or perfume sprays anywhere near me. I see those just as much as a risk to my lungs. I've suffered this in bars and restaurant for years and years.

Ok, perhaps I'm being cynical about all of this but, really, you must not just ring-fence cigarette smokers xyz123.

Brian, be brave and tell us some of YOUR habits which may then give us an opportunity to comment in a similar fashion.

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May 24th, 2006, 07:14 AM
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Fuzzy, I should certainly ban the obese from theatres, cinemas and aircraft.

They are also a drain on the NHS. A massive tax is the answer.
When you fill in a tax return, there should be a space for BMI with a sliding scale of charges.
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May 24th, 2006, 07:48 AM
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"The effects of "passive smoking" are actually negligible."
MK I just want to mention a persons name to you which will totally disprove what you havestated.

Roy Castle..never smoked but died of lung cancer from playing his trumpet in smokie bars. There are millions more.

MK2 as usual you never fail to show what a weirdo you are,you say:

"if you don't like it, don't go there."

What's that supposed to mean?
That's what we do now !!!
And why the hell should we be selective in going places we like because we don't want to breath in your smoke?

Next time your having a nice lunch at the Ritz give me a shout and I will come and Fart next to you, see how you like air pollution.

;-)

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May 24th, 2006, 08:29 AM
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Thanks muck. I now have the most extraordinary mental image.

BTW the Roy Castle thing is a red herring – plenty of non-smokers get lung cancer and it can be caused by any number of factors, exposure to any number of carcinogens, genetics, tap-dancing etc.

When Roy Castle was told he had six months to live he said he could do it in three!

“Medication, woh-a-oh, Medication. Medication’s what you need”
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May 24th, 2006, 08:49 AM
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My birthday is June 7th, I will be 38 , not so young..but 30 years ago for me it's almost a whole life I just can't remember !!

Patty, a weak and/or stupid person, polite enough not to call names anyone.



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May 24th, 2006, 08:53 AM
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This is such a stupid debate.

Modern air-handling equipment can render any venue smoke-free regardless of the number of nicotine addicts getting their fixes there. This includes bars, restaurants, hotels, and yes, even airplanes. If the governmane mandates anything for the protection of those who don't want to breathe smoke, it should be sufficient airflow to ensure one change of air per minute as a minimum standard.

If you want to see how this works, go to Majerle's Sports Grill in Phoenix. I despise cigarette smoke, but I can comfortably spend an evening at this bar with smokers at the next table.
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May 24th, 2006, 11:17 AM
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I just re-read that sentence, and thought it might be clearer:

If the government mandates any one thing for the protection of those who don't want to breathe smoke, that one thing should be sufficient airflow to ensure one change of air per minute throughout the establishment as a minimum standard - the usual specification for "clean room" conditions.
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May 25th, 2006, 05:27 AM
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I see nobody has seen fit to answer my question about obesity.

Are you all language challenged? Or are you all fat? Or do you all own shares in Macdonalds?

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