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Should we cut Venice out of our itinerary??

Should we cut Venice out of our itinerary??

Oct 2nd, 2012, 07:47 AM
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Who is it? I thought if you were banned, you were banned.
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Oct 2nd, 2012, 07:52 AM
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Ok, I'm on the bandwagon too. Of your three destinations in nine days, I also would drop Switzerland and Milan before Venice (I've been to all three, though not everywhere in Switzerland). But of course, it depends on the two of you, and what you enjoy.

Switzerland: Beautiful, mountains (depending on where you are), but the off season. We visited the Dolomites (Italy) in late September once, and it was a little too quiet for us, as a lot of places were shut down between seasons. I'm assuming your four nights/days would be spent in the mountains, not in a city (Interlaken, Lucerne, etc.) Will be colder, I'm guessing, than your other destinations.

Milan: We made numerous trips to Italy in and out of the Milan airport before we actually visited Milan - and then, it was due to a work commitment for my DH. To my surprise, I liked the city - not so touristy, lots of good cafe and people-watching, and several very good smaller museums (I'm an art buff). And the Duomo and Last Supper were as wonderful as I'd heard they were. But Milan is nothing compared to Venice, unless it's your heart's desire to see the Last Supper.

Venice: We keep returning, and every trip has been in the sholder season, so fewer other tourists. My favorite thing is to just wander the streets, admiring the old buildings and their reflections in the narrow canals. Also lots of great art, in museums, churches and other buildings (if you're an art buff). Piazza San Marco is packed with tourists most of the time, except before 8 am or after 11 pm or so. But we've found plenty of other places in the city that are much quieter.

So bottom line, yes 3 different hotels in 9 days/nights is moving around a bit more than you might like, but it sounds like you're committed to Switzerland and Milan. So shorten your time in those two locations, and add that time to Venice - depending on YOUR interests.
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Oct 2nd, 2012, 07:54 AM
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Venice is a good place to relax since there is no vehicular traffic with noise which wears me out. I think cities busy with car/truck traffic are tiring because they are noisy and chaotic.

The area around St. Mark's square is very busy and filled with people. All you have to do is walk a few blocks away and everything becomes serene. The water laps at the buildings and the gondolas glide through the small canals. Even the gondola passengers are quiet while they absorb the atmospheric tranquility.

While walking through the small streets at night you become part of the mystery of Venice and can imagine yourself in another era. Sitting in a gondola on a small canal, low to the water, you're enveloped by the buildings.

I can't think of a more beautiful, serene, and relaxing place to honeymoon.
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Oct 2nd, 2012, 07:56 AM
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Oct 2nd, 2012, 08:07 AM
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Not sure where or how lorettajung got the almighty impression that the OP is flying into Milan - he never states that and in other posts, he specifically talks about flying into Zurich with questions as to how to take the train to Milan, so really loretta, do take that chillpill.

My opinion, since the OP asked, is that skipping Venice on your honeymoon will be one of those things you may most regret, if you go that route. Venice truly is magical, a completely unique experiance, and it is definitely NOT a theme park. Go, I say, stay in the nicest place you can afford and enjoy the lovely absence of motor traffic noise, and the moody romantic atmosphere after dark. Venice is definitely a honeymoon kind of place; Milan is not.
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Oct 2nd, 2012, 09:11 AM
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Wow. There are a lot of very odd things being said, particularly by one poster, but one thing I have to speak against:

"if you decide to keep Venice in the plan, if you get there and it is raining heavily, you will regret it"

I couldn't disagree more. Rain is always a bummer on a trip, but I can't think of a more romantic city in the rain than Venice.
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Oct 2nd, 2012, 09:25 AM
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Rain in Venice is a great reason to keep ducking in for a latte machiatto or a glass of Schiopettino We were there one year in heavy rains and we had to walk on little ramps everywhere. It was very, very interesting.
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Oct 2nd, 2012, 09:42 AM
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Obviously what everyone is giving you is their own opinion. Why would they give you someone else's opinion.

Only you can decide what you want to see and do.

But, for perspective - I have been to europe more than 90 times between vacations and business trips. Have been to Venice 4 times, Milan 3 times and Switzerland 7 or 8 (can;t remember exactly).

they are differnt places with different activities and vibes. Milan is primarily a business city - and after you see 2/3 major sights - is IMHO not very special.

Switzerland is lovely - but is all about the outdoors and being fairly active - walking if not hiking - and spending time in the mountains and on the lakes and in small cute villages.

Venice is unique in the world. IMHO it is very romantic - except for the most touristed centers in the middle of the day in August - and especially at night can be magical. Much more relaxed than Milan and less physically demanding than Switz.

but only you know what your expectations are.
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Oct 2nd, 2012, 01:26 PM
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On the "theme park" and "touristy" comments about Venice.

Of course, it isn't everybody's thing. I do know a couple of people who thought Venice "old, crumbly, expensive and crowded, with outdated plumbing, dirty canals and bad food." Others on a quick visit see it only as a stage setting.

One great beauty of Venice is the reality of it: the structure, inspiration, design and ingenuity. Behind all the exquisite facades of the buildings is the art and architecture and the insides of churches, basilicas and palazzos. There is the water and quiet and shadows and sunlight that intwine to create a place unlike any other. That is what people rave about.

Venice is a place that induced such excitement, it attracted hoardes of visitors right from the beginning. Just look at pictures and read comments by travelers from previous times.

NeoPatrick, so right about Venice in the rain - romantic and mysterious - tried to capture that in photos and paintings - could never do it.
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Oct 2nd, 2012, 02:19 PM
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I wrote a trip report during our second visit to Venice.

It starts like this:

Lou and I came to Italy in December 2006, for three and a half weeks, and spent six nights in Venice before Verona, Como, Florence, Assisi and Rome. I'd been to Venice before.

I remember Lou asking me “If you could go back to anywhere in Europe, where would you go?” And I always said, “Venice”. So in 2006, Venice was the first port of call in the trip, Venice was our introduction to Italy, and I'm so glad we did it that way. See some Venice, and after that, see some Italy.

I remember arriving, and finding our hotel. It was near San Marco, and I'd mapped out in my mind exactly how to find it. Turn right from the Alilaguna ferry stop, past the souvenir vendors, cross the Piazzetta and the Piazza, under the clock tower, first right, 30 yards and we were there. I was so keen to show Venice to Lou, to unroll it like a magic carpet, albeit a carpet supported on wooden piles in the lagoon, a carpet with bumps and lumps and a bit waterlogged, wine stains and not a few blood stains, bare patches and worn threads. I so wanted Venice to deliver on the magic carpet.

la Serenissima delivered.

It seemed like magic. We thought of changing our itinerary, staying for another week or two, and didn't. I'm glad we didn't, because if we'd stayed three weeks, we might have thought that we'd “done” Venice, seen it all. We did the bigger sights, the Baedeker “don't miss this” list of attractions, and didn't really see Venice.

When we left, after six days, we were both a bit quiet, biting the bottom lip a little. Before we were half way to Verona on the train, I think we'd both decided that we had to come back again, for a lot longer.
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Oct 2nd, 2012, 04:43 PM
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I will weigh in on this, as I have a somewhat unique perspective on the issue at hand.

First, have been to Switzerland a number of times, and always enjoy it. Beautiful scenery.

Secondly, have been to Milan many times. The first several times were to simply land at the airport and go Milan Centrale to go to Florence or Rome. The past several times, have spent some time there on our way to/from Como and/or Florence. I also have been to see the Last Supper twice and find it inspirational.

Third, have been to Venice twice. The first time, we chose a bad hotel; it was on the Grand Canal, near the Rialto Bridge, but it was a dump and I never wanted to go back. However, this spring, my wife convinced me to give it another try; we stayed at Hotel Al Ponte Mocenigo; it is a 3 star property but is superb. We found many nice restaurants and really enjoyed the sight seeing. I would go back in a heartbeat. So I went twice, had a miserable time the first visit and really enjoyed the second.

My experience may or may not add to the dialog, but wanted to offer a perspective.
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Oct 2nd, 2012, 04:50 PM
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Hi all,

Wow! I have a lot to respond to, thank you all so much for your feedback and thoughts. Firstly, to clear up the Gender issue, I am a female

We will be flying into Zurich (23 hr flight as opposed to 30 into Milan) and arrive on a Tuesday. We are heavily into soccer/football, so watching a game is a must (will either be a Saturday or Sunday night so we will be staying there those two nights as a minimum). I would like to spend the first 4 nights of our honeymoon in Switzerland as it seems relaxing and beautiful (thinking of staying in Vitznau or Weggis on Lake Luzern).

I know Venice is a wonderful place, and very romantic and relaxing. I think the issue is more that I am worried we would be tired. In February we went to Paris and England for a fleeting visit (We got engaged in Paris!), 6 nights in Paris and 4 in England (2 in Morecambe to visit family and 2 in London). We were very tired in London and I don't want this to happen on our honeymoon (I got grumpy!!).

From Milan/Venice, we are spending 4 nights each in Tuscany and Rome, and 6 nights in Barcelona. I know some will say cut time out of Barcelona to add to Venice but we both agree we do not want to cut down our time in Barcelona.

If we spend the 4 or 5 nights in Milan instead of Venice, we would be looking at doing some day trips to places such as Lake Como, Verona etc (any suggestions are welcome). I am looking at staying in the Glamour Apartment Duomo Open Space, which looks like it has wonderful views of the Duomo and would be good for us as we like to eat dinner in our room where possible.

I think we need to think about it some more however our thoughts at the moment are to stay in Milan for longer; I know Venice is a more relaxing and romantic place, however I think it is more relaxing to stay in one place??
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Oct 2nd, 2012, 05:14 PM
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Absolutely. We spent two rainy days in Venice last October, and it FELT like a honeymoon - after 14 years together.

Whatever you choose to do, have a wonderful time.
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Oct 2nd, 2012, 05:20 PM
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It is indeed more relaxing to stay in one place, but not if you're doing day trips! It will be more relaxing to wander round Venice than take day trips from Milan.

Did I gather that you are staying in Milan to watch soccer? Would Barcelona do for that instead?
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Oct 2nd, 2012, 05:34 PM
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We will be doing that in Barcelona as well Thursdaysd

Good point about the day trips, will be something to think about.

My thoughts are in 4/5 nights in Milan: 1 day for shopping, 1 day for walking around/Last Supper/Duomo etc, 1 day for trip to Lake Como. Add in a soccer game and some long leisurely lunches and the time goes quite quickly!!
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Oct 2nd, 2012, 08:08 PM
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Now, on seeing that you are going from Switzerland and moving on to Tuscany, Rome and then Barcelona after Milan, you are right. Adding in Venice would be too much moving around. Go ahead with your own plan and relax in Milan.
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Oct 2nd, 2012, 08:29 PM
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I would never cut out Venice from a honeymoon itinerary. I'd do just about anything to avoid that, particularly just giving up Milan. Venice, to me, is one of the most romantic places on earth.
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Oct 2nd, 2012, 09:33 PM
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StCirq, I so totally agree with you - especially if it were (my) honeymoon! It seems though that other places are a better fit with the OP's interest in Soccer and football?
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Oct 3rd, 2012, 02:06 AM
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If you've traveled before and you know your own temperment and mood, you should go with that. Who wants to argue on their honeymoon? I'd regret that. Reading through this thread, with people saying they can't imagine Switzerland or Milan being romantic, I wonder if some people find Venice so romantic because they don't have romantic imaginations of their own. I've had many highly romantic evenings in both Switzerland and Milan.

The thing about day trips is that you can gear them to your mood and the weather. If you are tired, you skip it. If you are booked into another hotel, it is hard to cancel on a whim. But sure, think about it as long as you need to. People tend to be very inflexible in their thinking about Venice -- about a lot of things, actually. Better not to get that way about any particular place.


The posts are about zeppole -- or stracciatella, vespacurves, vietritiles, zanzere. I lost track. What was unmistakable was taking off another Fodor's poster trying to paint a newbie as an idiot for worrying they might be moving around too much on their honeymoon to enjoy an important place like Venice. As for being banned, plenty of banned Fodor's posters come back on the board. It's been funny to watch how many people were agreeing with zeppole when they didn't know vespacurves was zeppole. But zeppole always posted under a couple of names. I wondered if the editors didn't care because they quoted her so much in the guidebooks. Or maybe they've got better things to think about. I hope there isn't going to be another witch hunt trying to ban multiple accounts. I don't want to start memorizing passwords and e-mail accounts. I was never sure why zeppole was banned in the first place, given the amount of daily abuse on the board from other posters. Looked like maybe it was because she scolded bobthenavigator for recommending to newbies his relatives trip reports or his own photos without revealing to the newbies his connection, but most people don't think that was kosher of bob to do. So who knows?
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