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Nov 29th, 2018, 11:34 AM
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If we do indeed dive into the esoteric murky depths of "city soul", I'd argue that for the vast majority of Russians (that I talked to, anyway) St.Petersburg is defined by its WW2 history and the tragedy and sacrifice of its people. That alone gives it a very special place in the grand scheme of all things Russian. All the imperial bling and "culture" (well, predominantly art) is an added benefit, but I tend to view it as rather superficial.
As far as "culture" goes - I spent a cumulative of just under a month in St.P last summer - and I noticed some rather disappointing changes.
I love both Moscow and St.Pete, and both places have changed unbelievably over the past decade or so; I'm just not sure I like the direction St.P is heading. While Moscow has become a very livable, breathable, and ultimately surprizingly welcoming city, St.P seems to strive to become the next Venice, with all the associated upsides and downsides.

All that said, I can't imagine anyone having a hard time coming up with a 2-, 3-, 5-, or 10-day jam-packed itinerary for either place.
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Nov 29th, 2018, 03:25 PM
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Napohoguk,

I have not been back to Russia since 1992 so I do trust your opinion that changes in St Petersburg are not for the better. In fact, from what I see and read on Russian forums, I was thinking the same; and I believe I may get disappointed when we get there.

I do agree with you that the city and its people get a special respect for their heroism during Lenigrade blockade. However, I respectfully, disagree with you that this is why the city is so beloved in Russia. Blockade is more about people and their unbelievable efforts to protect their city and survive, but this is not about St Petersburg.

Hope my posts are not viewed as desire to argue with everyone about everything , just trying to clarify my view... As I lived in that country for a good portion of my life, and my relatives were part of Russian history including WW2.

Anyway, it is true - there is enough in both city for a very long visit.

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Nov 29th, 2018, 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by napoxoguk View Post
I love both Moscow and St.Pete
I'm surprised that you call it "St. Pete." I was there just after the city was renamed St. Petersburg, after years during which it had been called Leningrad. So many residents with whom I spoke noted have very glad they were to finally have the chance to call their beloved city by what they considered it's rightful name. Things could have changed -- indeed helen63 has said she and others call it "Peter" (a name I would consider an endearment beyond the scope of my terms of intimacy with the city), but FWIW, I'd say that St. Pete is in Florida; the magnificent city in Russia is St. Petersburg. JMO.

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Hope my posts are not viewed as desire to argue with everyone about everything , just trying to clarify my view... .
Well, you've already made it clear that there's only one right answer your husband can give.
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Nov 30th, 2018, 08:59 AM
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Originally Posted by kja View Post
I'm surprised that you call it "St. Pete." I was there just after the city was renamed St. Petersburg, after years during which it had been called Leningrad. So many residents with whom I spoke noted have very glad they were to finally have the chance to call their beloved city by what they considered it's rightful name. Things could have changed -- indeed helen63 has said she and others call it "Peter" (a name I would consider an endearment beyond the scope of my terms of intimacy with the city), but FWIW, I'd say that St. Pete is in Florida; the magnificent city in Russia is St. Petersburg. JMO.


Well, you've already made it clear that there's only one right answer your husband can give.
Well, this is one of the disadvantages for being married We have been finding compromises for over 20 years, so hopefully find one this time around as well
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Nov 30th, 2018, 09:07 AM
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Kja, I agree on St Pete... I have never heard it called this way. Russian call it St Peterburg (very formal), Petersburg (normal), and Peter (lovingly
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Jan 3rd, 2019, 03:08 PM
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I truly enjoyed both cities. Both were unique and had their own magic to them. Personally, I'd go back to both if I had a chance. But if I had to choose one, I'd pick St. Petersburg to go back to. I enjoy the arts and culture, and felt that St. Petersburg had a bit more of flair to it for my tastes. There were a few more places in St. Petersburg I'd like to go to when I get the chance.
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Jan 12th, 2019, 05:18 AM
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Moscow is a city with a crazy rhythm of life and 800 years of history. (The Kremlin is Red Square, the Tretyakov Gallery, etc.) is perfect for visiting in the winter.

St. Petersburg is a more European city with a 300-year history (the Hermitage is possible in the winter, the Peropavlovskaya Fortress, Tsarskoye Selo, Petergof, Pavlovsk) these places are best seen in the summer because there are beautiful parks.
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Jan 13th, 2019, 11:56 AM
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St. Petersburg is my answer. You can view the most important landmarks of Moscow in only a few days, while St. Pete has amazing suburbs that were used as tzars' residencies: Pushkin, Pavlovsk, Petrodvorets (look it up, it's beautiful). Apart from that St. Petersburg is somewhat cheaper and I really like it's nightlife more – people are simpler and more open.
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Feb 15th, 2019, 10:59 AM
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As a bit of a side note to the whole city soul argument, here's a recent article by the Times of London that states, in no uncertain terms, that Moscow has lost its soul:
https://www.thetimes.co.uk/edition/c...soul-62ttt3n6v

Now, the article is paywalled, and my trial has expired, but I'm really keen to find out if the piece goes more in-depth after the opening plunge of "the natives don't accept chewing gum and soap as legal tender any more".
Anyone with subscription could spare a second to skim through the piece and care to enlighten the rest of us? Much appreciated.

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Feb 24th, 2019, 08:33 AM
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I also loved both cities. Russia has so much culture and places to see, and things to do, and few days in these cities are not enough. We only had 2 days in St. Petersburg when we docked with a cruise ship, but I have been to Moscow on a different occasion. I honestly prefer St. Petersburg and I am definitely going back there, hopefully next summer.

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