Paris Under Seige...
Nov 22nd, 2015, 08:47 AM
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@Michael - LOL.
Fuss, 1% criteria, I think that will allow just about every country through the door.
Look these crazy guys arn't muslims, they just think they are. Like blaming all Christians for the inquisition
Have a good night guys and happy traveling
Fuss, 1% criteria, I think that will allow just about every country through the door.
Look these crazy guys arn't muslims, they just think they are. Like blaming all Christians for the inquisition
Have a good night guys and happy traveling
Nov 22nd, 2015, 09:05 AM
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If people would like to feel a bit more optimistic about the situation, I have been reading that Daesh is now losing more and more territory as the French and Russians bomb and the Kurds attack on the ground.
The recent Daesh attacks can be considered to be acts of desperation, like a cornered rat.
Let's wait a few weeks and see what happens instead of arguing and nitpicking here when we are all (I hope) basically on the same side.
Time to close this thread?
The recent Daesh attacks can be considered to be acts of desperation, like a cornered rat.
Let's wait a few weeks and see what happens instead of arguing and nitpicking here when we are all (I hope) basically on the same side.
Time to close this thread?
Nov 22nd, 2015, 09:08 AM
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I will also add that Paris is not under siege, which pleads even more for ending this discussion.
PalenQ, you know how to start good debates, but if you would try to be less inflammatory in your titles in the future, people might write their opinions more reasonably.
PalenQ, you know how to start good debates, but if you would try to be less inflammatory in your titles in the future, people might write their opinions more reasonably.
Nov 22nd, 2015, 09:26 AM
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Weisser.
Since you join the discussion, let us be clear : we don't like each other much more than Snob and myself, do we ?
Political discussions here are only matched by people judging others. I didn't comment on your 'rant' or your propsal for solving your peoblemn, do me a favour and do the same with me, will you ?
As for being condescending to the OP ? Let PQ answer for that, won't you ? I think he is big enough to give an opinion by himself.
Since you join the discussion, let us be clear : we don't like each other much more than Snob and myself, do we ?
Political discussions here are only matched by people judging others. I didn't comment on your 'rant' or your propsal for solving your peoblemn, do me a favour and do the same with me, will you ?
As for being condescending to the OP ? Let PQ answer for that, won't you ? I think he is big enough to give an opinion by himself.
Nov 22nd, 2015, 09:38 AM
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PalenQ, you know how to start good debates, but if you would try to be less inflammatory in your titles in the future, people might write their opinions more reasonably.>
Well the context of the title was just when it was being reported and that's why the title - I was not thinking of starting a debate but alerting folks to a problem and at that time the title seemed very appropriate - again was not thinking of any discussion but that's what entailed.
Cheers!
As for ISIS becoming more irrelevant I think not - they can closed down whole cities like Brussels just by threats, real or not.
All civilized countries have to join together with France, U.S. and such to stamp out this scourge and most experts say that means boots on the ground not just bombings which also kill many civilians and give ISIS more recruits and support.
It is a very very difficult situation, again originally caused by Americans and now everyone's problem.
Personal attacks here are irrelevant - let's all join what has to be done - stamp out ISIS and ilk - let's all strategize how that can be done rather than blame others for inflammatory titles, again justified in original context or ill-given statements originally based on not knowing what had happened, etc.
One of my French son's American tutorees gave him a large vase of flowers to say their solidarity with the French - I have never seen so much pro-French sentiment here and that could be one good outcome of all of this as we all have to work together to stamp out ISIS.
Well the context of the title was just when it was being reported and that's why the title - I was not thinking of starting a debate but alerting folks to a problem and at that time the title seemed very appropriate - again was not thinking of any discussion but that's what entailed.
Cheers!
As for ISIS becoming more irrelevant I think not - they can closed down whole cities like Brussels just by threats, real or not.
All civilized countries have to join together with France, U.S. and such to stamp out this scourge and most experts say that means boots on the ground not just bombings which also kill many civilians and give ISIS more recruits and support.
It is a very very difficult situation, again originally caused by Americans and now everyone's problem.
Personal attacks here are irrelevant - let's all join what has to be done - stamp out ISIS and ilk - let's all strategize how that can be done rather than blame others for inflammatory titles, again justified in original context or ill-given statements originally based on not knowing what had happened, etc.
One of my French son's American tutorees gave him a large vase of flowers to say their solidarity with the French - I have never seen so much pro-French sentiment here and that could be one good outcome of all of this as we all have to work together to stamp out ISIS.
Nov 22nd, 2015, 09:41 AM
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"Is your rant a 'Modest Proposal'?"
When war is thrust on you, there's no room for modesty.
"Look these crazy guys arn't muslims, they just think they are."
YOUR opinion on how muslim ISIS is or isn't does NOT matter. When it comes to letting immigrants into the west, what does matter is whether other Muslims support ISIS goals. Many do.
"One-in-five Muslims in Egypt and Jordan offer support for suicide bombing in defense of Islam, as do 15% of Indonesian Muslims." (Egypt is 95% Muslim. Jordan is about the same.)
http://www.pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/...and-hezbollah/
"Fuss, 1% criteria, I think that will allow just about every country through the door."
You couldn't be wronger.
40% of British Muslims want Sharia law - just like ISIS:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...law-in-UK.html
Since the UK is about 5% Muslim, that means 2% of the UK supports Sharia. So my criteria would keep out all Brits as well. Fine with me if we can keep out the monsters that support stoning and other acts of Islamic Barbarism along with the sweet Brits.
When war is thrust on you, there's no room for modesty.
"Look these crazy guys arn't muslims, they just think they are."
YOUR opinion on how muslim ISIS is or isn't does NOT matter. When it comes to letting immigrants into the west, what does matter is whether other Muslims support ISIS goals. Many do.
"One-in-five Muslims in Egypt and Jordan offer support for suicide bombing in defense of Islam, as do 15% of Indonesian Muslims." (Egypt is 95% Muslim. Jordan is about the same.)
http://www.pewglobal.org/2010/12/02/...and-hezbollah/
"Fuss, 1% criteria, I think that will allow just about every country through the door."
You couldn't be wronger.
40% of British Muslims want Sharia law - just like ISIS:
http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/ukne...law-in-UK.html
Since the UK is about 5% Muslim, that means 2% of the UK supports Sharia. So my criteria would keep out all Brits as well. Fine with me if we can keep out the monsters that support stoning and other acts of Islamic Barbarism along with the sweet Brits.
Nov 22nd, 2015, 09:42 AM
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Please, let's stop this thread. People whose opinions I value are starting to insult each other.
There's been a lot of interesting discussion up until recently, but now it's become very unpleasant.
Besides, the misspelling in the title has bugged me from the beginning.
There's been a lot of interesting discussion up until recently, but now it's become very unpleasant.
Besides, the misspelling in the title has bugged me from the beginning.
Nov 22nd, 2015, 09:59 AM
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Why is it that the guys with bully in their blood are often the biggest crybabies?
And shut down a thread? I'd do just about anything to fight censorship, I don't care how many people disagree with my opinion. If you don't like what you're reading, can't you move on to something else? My favorite are the posters who call for a thread to be shut down and then immediately post something new. What gives?
Perhaps the addicts can't move on. Perhaps the lure to look and to post is too difficult to resist. It's like asking theater goers to stop using their cell phones during a performance. Some simply can't stop, no matter how many announcements are made, no matter how much humiliation they endure.
I guess the subject of addiction might require a new thread.
And shut down a thread? I'd do just about anything to fight censorship, I don't care how many people disagree with my opinion. If you don't like what you're reading, can't you move on to something else? My favorite are the posters who call for a thread to be shut down and then immediately post something new. What gives?
Perhaps the addicts can't move on. Perhaps the lure to look and to post is too difficult to resist. It's like asking theater goers to stop using their cell phones during a performance. Some simply can't stop, no matter how many announcements are made, no matter how much humiliation they endure.
I guess the subject of addiction might require a new thread.
Nov 22nd, 2015, 11:42 AM
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'If you don't like what you're reading, can't you move on to something else? '
Good advice actually. But not relevant when you're insulting me.
'no matter how much humiliation they endure.'
You really think you're humiliating me ?
You're insulting you, that's different.
T'es gonflée quand même, Snob.
Enfin vaut mieux lire cela qu'être aveugle.
Good advice actually. But not relevant when you're insulting me.
'no matter how much humiliation they endure.'
You really think you're humiliating me ?
You're insulting you, that's different.
T'es gonflée quand même, Snob.
Enfin vaut mieux lire cela qu'être aveugle.
Nov 22nd, 2015, 12:15 PM
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Personally, I would be willing to chip in to provide plane tickets for those of you who would like to go implement your solutions and settle this ISIS/DAECH thing once and for all.>
One way or return?
One way or return?
Nov 22nd, 2015, 12:37 PM
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40% of British Muslims want Sharia law - just like ISIS
Skimming the article I saw nothing about "just like ISIS" in it - that is your addition- how do you know 40% of British Muslims want infidels heads cut off; folks burned to death in cages; girls not allowed to go to school; slavery to be put in practice; men to have up to five wives; adulterers to be stoned to death; thieves' hands cut off" - fuss - where did you get that from this article.
Sharia law can mean very different things to different folks - I think you misstated and grossly exaggerated your Sharia Law. I bet even 40% of the Muslims living under ISIS law do not condone that type of medieval Sharia Law?
Skimming the article I saw nothing about "just like ISIS" in it - that is your addition- how do you know 40% of British Muslims want infidels heads cut off; folks burned to death in cages; girls not allowed to go to school; slavery to be put in practice; men to have up to five wives; adulterers to be stoned to death; thieves' hands cut off" - fuss - where did you get that from this article.
Sharia law can mean very different things to different folks - I think you misstated and grossly exaggerated your Sharia Law. I bet even 40% of the Muslims living under ISIS law do not condone that type of medieval Sharia Law?
Nov 22nd, 2015, 12:43 PM
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Certain people pushing a different agenda like to come up with polls like that. It's just like the polls in France about 62% of the French being against the hijab. It's all about the way you ask the question. I myself am "against" the hijab as a valid way to practice one's religion but I am 100% in favor of it if somebody feels they need to wear it. Poll questions are generally worded to get the response you are hoping for.
Nov 22nd, 2015, 01:45 PM
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I myself am "against" the hijab as a valid way to practice one's religion but I am 100% in favor of it if somebody feels they need to wear it.>
My feelings exactly but all my in-laws, largely leftist voters, seem to say it is OK to ban the hijab in public and express the sentiment of 'losing French culture - lamenting the wearing of head scarves and supporting banning them in schools. I think your tolerant way is better for all in the long run but I would not question the 62% based on my in-laws.
My feelings exactly but all my in-laws, largely leftist voters, seem to say it is OK to ban the hijab in public and express the sentiment of 'losing French culture - lamenting the wearing of head scarves and supporting banning them in schools. I think your tolerant way is better for all in the long run but I would not question the 62% based on my in-laws.
Nov 22nd, 2015, 02:06 PM
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Not sure they do - but they have a sentiment that France is losing its 'frenchness' which they lament and which I pooh pooh and tell them so - a culture is most vibrant when it embraces and incorporates others with other traits into it.
One has to think that part of France's Muslim problem - so many going to fight for ISIS (well a small % really but) is that they have not been assimilated but relegated to dismal housing estates where radical immans prey on discrimination many Muslims perceive and the hopeless lives they lead - sky high unemployment - being stuck in poverty and sensing that many if not most French wouldlike them to leave - thanks to Le Pen and ilk rhetoric, etc.
A difficult problem at this point. And there are so many decent Muslims in France too.
One has to think that part of France's Muslim problem - so many going to fight for ISIS (well a small % really but) is that they have not been assimilated but relegated to dismal housing estates where radical immans prey on discrimination many Muslims perceive and the hopeless lives they lead - sky high unemployment - being stuck in poverty and sensing that many if not most French wouldlike them to leave - thanks to Le Pen and ilk rhetoric, etc.
A difficult problem at this point. And there are so many decent Muslims in France too.
