Paris tipping hotel maids

Old Jul 31st, 2015, 11:21 AM
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<i>I find it difficult to understand a system that relies on a customer having to look at a menu with prices which bear only an uncertain relationship to what one will be expected to pay</i>

There isn't anything uncertain. Take the menu cost and add tax and 15-20% tip. How is that uncertain?
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Old Jul 31st, 2015, 11:35 AM
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Do waiters in expensive restaurants work so much harder than waiters in cheap restaurants? If you are paying 200€ for a meal, does the waiter deserve 40€ as a tip?
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Old Jul 31st, 2015, 11:45 AM
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>>On the other hand, if you are back to discussing hotel maids, I'm actually with you on that. If I've never seen the maid and she has done nothing specific for me -- why would I leave a tip just because I think she's underpaid? The hotel is supposed to provide me with a clean room -- and that's her job. That's a world different from a waiter spending lots of extra time being personally helpful to me.<<

^^^Yes, this.^^^ I also don't tip the front desk person for checking me in, I don't tip the gardener for blowing off the drive way and trimming the lawn, and (horrors) I don't tip the door person.

I do try to keep my room tidy so that the maid can get in, do her job easily, and get out quickly. I confess that I've tipped extra to taxi drivers who only went a short distance for me so that it would help make it worth their while. They nodded and seemed to appreciate it.

Now, I have a colleague who spreads tips like she's mulching and fertilizing her garden. It's just what she does. To each his taste, as we're so fond of saying.
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Old Jul 31st, 2015, 11:47 AM
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Does an expensive restaurant deserve double the price for the same wine as the bistro down the block? Everything is supposedly "worth" more in a more expensive place. Do you think waiters are paid the same salary in a cheap restaurant as they are in an expensive one? It's all relative.
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Old Jul 31st, 2015, 12:01 PM
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"Now, I have a colleague who spreads tips like she's mulching and fertilizing her garden. It's just what she does. To each his taste, as we're so fond of saying."

I only wish that more people would say this!
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Old Jul 31st, 2015, 12:08 PM
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By the way, does a restaurant NOT charge the same percentage for service on a $400 bottle of wine that they charge on a $100 bottle of wine? Does it take more work and do they "deserve" more?

What was your point again?
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Old Jul 31st, 2015, 12:12 PM
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<I>Do waiters in expensive restaurants work so much harder than waiters in cheap restaurants? If you are paying 200€ for a meal, does the waiter deserve 40€ as a tip?</I>

1) I find waiters at truly good restaurants to be better, yes.
2) There are more people sharing in the tip at a high-end restaurant.
3) A waiter at a high-end place will likely see fewer covers.

More importantly, there is no "deserve", there is just the price. If you don't value the meal at that price, including the appropriate tip, then don't go to the high-end place. But bickering about prices is gauche.

<I>Does an expensive restaurant deserve double the price for the same wine as the bistro down the block?</I>

To be fair, the cost of capital tied up in a massive cellar is not inconsequential. If you want a restaurant to have verticals of Petrus - and there is a market for that - you have to pay for it.
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Old Jul 31st, 2015, 12:13 PM
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"What was your point again?"

Between you, me and everybody else, I don't think he has one.
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Old Jul 31st, 2015, 12:57 PM
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chart: >> One observation I would make about American culture is that despite all the talk of freedom, there is actually a more slavish following of rules than one finds elsewhere.<<

OK, now you're just being stupid. Or ironic. I dunno.
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Old Jul 31st, 2015, 01:56 PM
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>>>>>"Does an expensive restaurant deserve double the price for the same wine as the bistro down the block?

To be fair, the cost of capital tied up in a massive cellar is not inconsequential. If you want a restaurant to have verticals of Petrus - and there is a market for that - you have to pay for it."<<<<<<


Yes, of course. Thanks for explaining my point. You did get my point didn't you that that was similar to a waiter in a high end restaurant "deserving" a bigger tip. You go to a more expensive or upscale place you expect to pay more.
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Old Jul 31st, 2015, 02:00 PM
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Oh boy, I have to tell this story, a conversation I had recently with someone going to Europe for the first time in a few weeks.

The person was under the impression that *they* (the Europeans) would just love getting american dollars for tips. When I asked why on earth they would want american dollars, what would they do with them? The person referenced something about being in Tijuana (25+ years ago) and how service staff loved getting a few bucks in USD for tips.

I don't know if this person thought that the current value of the Euro was on par with the value of the Peso in 1989 or what. Really scratched my head at that one.

I set them straight, but this person is going to be an ugly american I'm afraid. But we can't all be beautiful now can we oh haha
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Old Jul 31st, 2015, 03:15 PM
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I WISH we were like France ( and many other europeon countries) where the price on the menu IS the price you pay.. its WAY better then our add tax add service /tips system..

Our system sucks that way.. I have no problemo saying that.. but boy.. the sun shines out of Americas a*S to some folks here..
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Old Jul 31st, 2015, 03:43 PM
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Yea, I hear you, justineparis,. Math is so hard, isn't it?
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Old Jul 31st, 2015, 06:50 PM
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Don't be such an *8s .. in Canada when a person purchases something they have to know the different ( and they are different province to province) rates for retail taxes, liquor taxes, and provincial sales tax.
Also.. just to be difficult.. when you purchase ONE cupcake you are charge GST.. but when you purchase six you are not.. head trip..

American tourist complain about it all the time. They seem to hate it.. but then I guess most of them find math " hard".

You must have so much fun looking in the mirror.. its like a lovefest for you, you don't need a partner do you.. you are your own cheering section.

Most europeon countries have it RIGHT and Canada and United States have it WRONG. Just admit it. Ok.. that's asking too much of you.. ha ha..
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Old Jul 31st, 2015, 06:53 PM
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<I>I WISH we were like France ( and many other europeon countries) where the price on the menu IS the price you pay.. its WAY better then our add tax add service /tips system.. </I>

In what way is it worse? Even if math is hard for you, the advent of the smartphone should solve the problem.
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Old Jul 31st, 2015, 07:02 PM
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<I>Most europeon countries have it RIGHT and Canada and United States have it WRONG.</I>

Well I don't think that is true.
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Old Jul 31st, 2015, 07:23 PM
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Of course you don't.
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Old Jul 31st, 2015, 07:31 PM
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<I>Of course you don't.</I>

Yes, of course. No rational, mentally competent adult would think that tipping (or not) is "wrong" in a comparative context. They may not like it, but they'd recognize that it isn't "right" or "wrong". It is just different.
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Old Jul 31st, 2015, 08:20 PM
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<Most europeon countries have it RIGHT and Canada and United States have it WRONG. Just admit it. >
Finally she says what she's always saying in not so many words, lol. What a fool.
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Old Jul 31st, 2015, 08:56 PM
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Newbe that quote was in reply to a post about including taxes in listed price.

Try and keep up .

I am not a fool, you are.. a big dumb a&s American fool.

You want to trade insults.. fine.. I can give as good as I get..
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