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kerouac

Think about Adagio or Citadines for apartment accommodations. The municipal elections are approaching next spring and Airbnb is one of the principal targets. Although it will not be totally banned, it is nearly certain that the possible rental periods will be cut in half. So half of the people booking will receive a message that their booking has been cancelled.

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AJPeabody

If you "take a chance" you should have a cancelable hotel reservation for backup, just in case.

janisj

Uh -- no. The vast majority of rentals are illegal. Some are legal but they get booked up. What on God's green earth would you do with 6 adults needing numerous bedrooms for four nights at the very last minute when you get turned out on the street (or not admitted in the first place)

If you can find a large property with the city registration number -- then yes. Otherwise no way . . .

menachem

Don't take a chance.

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Macross

"According to the 'Ordre de Mission,' the agent has the right to enter the property and either the occupant or the 'guardien' must allow him entry between 8 a.m. and 7 p.m. In the case where the occupant or guardian is not present, they have the right to enter the property in the presence of the Mayor or the police commissioner! And they are following tourists to their accommodations, spying on tourists and residents!"

According to the Forbes article, which recounted a report from the French journal, Les Echos, that "police entered six apartments in the same building in the 7th arrondissement at the end of September." This was after the management company refused entry to the housing officers who then obtained a court order to enter the apartments.

I do really think the city officials have lost their minds.

I understand the housing shortage problem they face and every facet of the assets and liabilities of the issue. As both a long-standing resident of Paris and real estate professional, I face all sides of the equation on a daily basis. But, I also understand how the city's approach to solving their problems isn't working and why. I could fill a tome with what's wrong with their picture...all starting with the fact that transiency is going to grow and with it comes the need for even more temporary housing.

The solutions they are using such as these sorts of police tactics are not going to stop this tsunami changing the way we are living our lives...but, we shouldn't want to! We need to embrace it, manage it, control it and tax it. It isn't going away! It's only going to get bigger and more powerful.

Don't be stupid, Anne. This kind of police interference in people's rights to own a property and live and use it the way they want, is quite frankly, Fascist...not Socialist as you claim you are. It is reminiscent of France in the early 1940s when French police participated in the roundup of Jews from their homes. Not only did the French police participate, but "not a single German soldier took part in orchestrating the notorious roundup of some 13,000 Jews at the Vél d’Hiv and Drancy internment camps in Paris from July 16-17, 1942." (Source: france24.com/en/)

Is this a repeat performance, but this time targeting homeowners!? Homeowners! Is this really a country that stands for "liberté, égalité, fraternité?" Where is the liberty, equality and brotherhood in any of this?

You should really be ashamed of yourself, Madame. Instead, it's time to ride the wave and be a leader in surfing everyone home...wherever that is and for however long that is.


I am not saying who wrote this but they must also be worried about what Kerouac said is happening. I have used an agency and airbnb and vrbo but we have a hotel for May. Four nights isn't bad for hotels. Look at Ibis, they have several brands at reasonable prices.

jpie

I second kerouac's suggestion of Adagio or Citadines-at least you will be able to have a couch and some kitchen facilities. I think the Citadines Property near the Bastille is nice. I lived in Citadines for a couple months at a time as short term corporate housing and the only one I would avoid would be Les Halles/Chatelet. That neighborhood is basically mostly fast food joints etc. and the only place I would get hassled. But there are some really nice ones in neighborhoods that are really nice and if you don't have to be right in the center neighborhoods (1 2 3 4 5 6 7) you can get some good deals. Like the one near the Bastille is in the 11th but has great access the more tourist-centric places most people want to visit.

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StCirq

Wow, Macross. A new, and horrible, perspective on this issue. Fortunately we have a preferred hotel in Paris in the 11ème when we are fortunate enough to travel there.

Bette

<<Any recommended reasonable but nice hotels?>>

Define reasonable please. How much per night are you willing to spend, either per person or per room. If you give us specifics, you will get better recommendations.

jpie

The Adagio and Citadines type properties are kind of nice compromises because they are "appart"-hotels and some of the properties have bigger family units that might allow you rent 2 2 bedroom units for 6 people that can actually save you money over 3 individual rooms for 6 people. So it will depend on how you want to split the group up. Also we prefer apartment hotels because we can have breakfast in our room and usually they have a bit more furniture than a standard hotel room-even just as a couple we don't love spending multiple nights in a hotel room when it is just a bed 1 chair and a desk....but for folks who spend most of time out of their room they don't care so much. My husband and I consider ourselves more "homebodies that travel" rather than tourists so that's why we like apartments. And now with the new restrictions coming into effect in many large cities we are using the chain apart-hotels fairly often over the more "airbnb" type rentals. The big chains like Marriott are starting to get into this market in a bigger way now too-especially for larger groups.

kerouac

Usually it takes a two hour argument in person or at least 50 posts on a thread for someone to play the Nazi card. I think Macross has broken a record here.

Macross

Kerouac, it came in my inbox from a Jewish realtor who lives in Paris. I look at apartments just in case one is in my price bracket. Haaa. They were upset but thought it interesting that they are tracking tourist. I know I stopped using Vacation in Paris because they insisted on a meeter that wanted me to use his driver so that I would arrive on time to meet him. The driver was crazy and got lost. Not my fault we arrived at almost five. Sort of cloak and dagger. Not worth it. I could have been on time with the train. Next apartment had the registration number and much better.

bvlenci

My far-flung family of seven is meeting in Paris for Christmas. We'll be staying in a large apartment in Bagnolet, just outside the city limits. The surrounding towns don't have the restrictions that Paris has.

However, for a while I considered getting two units in an Adagio aparthotel in the Buttes Chaumont area of Paris. I'm sure that would have been an excellent choice as well. You can see the discussion here:

Paris for Christmas

Envierges

I had access to the same extended quote Macross posted above. The writer definately has had his/her ox gored.

Suburbs near Paris such as Bagnolet are indeed affected by the rental laws. One considering a suburban rental ought perhaps to do a web search regarding the ALUR law. This is one link. There are many.

THE 7 KEYS TO UNDERSTAND THE LAW ALUR - SPLM

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AJPeabody

Do they all have registration numbers?

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