Not Your Average Trip Report on Paris
May 30th, 2007 | 05:10 AM
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Not Your Average Trip Report on Paris
Logistics:
We live in Houston, Texas. We flew out on 5/15, an evening flight on Continental non-stop. Cattle car. Arrived in Paris in the afternoon. Took a cab to the Hotel- cost 48 euros plus a tip. Took about an hour. Departed Paris on 5/23- used a shuttle arranged by the hotel- 36 euros plus tip. Boarding in Paris was the usual affair- a throng of passengers herded thru the gate- while the “Elite” boarding access was used by only a few of the privileged class. The huddled masses- you know the little people who pay taxes (us included) - were grumbling at the inefficiency of the process. I swear I could hear a female voice in the distance shouting- “Let them eat cake”. If the Disney folks can figure out how to move a lot of people thru a line you think the airline folks could also. The flight was actually only half full coming back so it was nice to have an empty seat between us. Our tickets were bought last year for about $800 apiece. CDG airport is in need of a facelift.
People:
The French are very polite and accommodating – in the hotels, the cafes, department stores- we did not encounter any “le Attitude”! We met more rude people in NYC the 3 days that were we there years ago than in the 7 days we had in Paris! In fact, in one of the cafes we frequented, when the head waiter saw that the wife was served Coke in a bottle, he came to our table, took the coke and advised us that he’ll exchange it for the canned Coke, aware of the wife’s preference. That was a nice gesture.
Most spoke some English.
Food:
If you are expecting reviews on some great French restaurants then you will need to stop here and hit the back button. We “dined” at Brasseries and some great Chinese restaurants. (Yes we traveled 5,000 miles to eat Chinese!) We were able to get some eggs and omelets at a few cafes. One place we ordered their fried eggs and bacon and what we were served were two fried eggs up with bacon pieces mixed into the eggs. The bacon was not crispy and one piece had a bone in it- that was odd! This was the “English” breakfast- the English prefer their bacon half cooked! At the Galleries Lafayette (Department store) there was a great Sichuan restaurant that served very good food at reasonable prices. We ate there I think 3 times. We also found a great little Chinese place on rue Du Buci just off Saint Germaine in the 7th area. This place was like a deli where you could see all their items and just pointed out what you wanted. They have Dim Sum.
A number of the cafes had menus posted in both French and English.
The coffee there is pretty strong (the way I like it) but the wife prefers her coffee weak. Before the trip I wondered if we would be able to order coffee with a pot of hot water so the wife could dilute it- I was concerned this might start the second French revolution! I had visions of the masses storming the Bastille. Of course there is nothing there to storm these days and my concerns were unfounded as we saw locals ordering coffee with a pot or a cup of hot water.
Note – no problem getting ice in your drinks. Coke in glass bottles seems to taste different (sweeter) than those in the can. You have to ask for the can – otherwise they give it to you in the bottle.
Fashion Show
We had reservations for the Friday 3 pm Fashion Show at Galleries Lafayette Department Store. We had front seats on the runway and enjoyed seeing the latest fashions- the show lasted about 30 minutes. Its free you just have to request tickets several weeks in advance thru the store’s website. The models were actually good looking with nice figures (not the usual skinny types that look as if they are auditioning for a prisoner of war camp movie- you know the type!). The fashions on display were such that one could actually buy and wear – imagine that clothes that you would actually wear!
Rick Steves:
Before our trip I read Rick’s book on Paris. I also ordered his map of Paris. I found his book to be of some value- although I must admit that we do not travel in the style of Rick Steves. No way is this team going to make it on one carryon bag! His map was very useful. Over the years I have seen his TV show on Paris and how he marvels about Rue Cler- so this was one of the places I had to visit. Well we went there on an afternoon during the week and found it to be a letdown. Half of the shops were closed and frankly I’m just not impressed with what Rue Cler had to offer. In fact I would suggest people visit Rue du Buci off of Saint Germaine. This street has a variety of cafes, stores, markets, bakeries- the energy on this street far exceeded Rue Cler.
Hotel:
We stayed at the Hotel D’Orsay. This was an old but renovated hotel and was located in the 7th area- one block from the Museum D’Orsay and one block from the Assembly Nationale Metro. It had 2 elevators- a modern one right at the front desk of the lobby and another old time cage type elevator that you see in old movies located off the lobby. It was fun to ride this old elevator- you could get maybe 2 people and one bag in there. The location was great and it was very quiet. The German embassy was located on our street. The hotel cost 185 Euros/night. Breakfast was 10 euros extra per day. We chose to eat away from the hotel so I can’t comment on the food at the hotel. The room was large by European standards. You know a lot of European hotels are so small you have to leave the room to change your mind! It has a modern bathroom- shower and separate area for the toilet, double sinks. It had a hair dryer but no electrical outlet and the lighting was such that it focused the light on the sinks and thus when one looked in the mirror there were shadows on your face. (Note- bring your electrical converter and an extension cord) The room had a large armoire, a desk and guest chairs. It had a mini bar – convenient for storing our cans of Coke that we brought with us. (Yes we hauled coke- a 12 pack – from the states. Hey at $5 a pop it was worth it!). It also had a room safe. The room had air conditioning which we used on occasion. Electronic key entry. The wall paper needed to be replaced as the walls were scuffed a bit and you could see the seems on the wallpaper. The room needed some new moldings. Bottom line it was clean, the location was very good – overall I give it 3- 3.5 stars. We could open both windows to allow fresh air in- note that there are no screens on any windows in Paris. I suppose they don’t have a bug problem like we do here in Houston.
Not a bad value for Paris all things considered.
The Sights:
Well what can one say about the sights of Paris that have not already been said on this forum over and over- it’s a beautiful city and we took in all the sights. We did the Louve and the Orsay museums- we just walked up and bought tickets to get in. No lines; we did not go the museum pass route as we are not big museum buffs. We did all of the must see sights except we were not able to see Sacra Coeur. We took the Metro to the area and then walked to the funicular but it was not running. We did not want to climb all those steps so we opted not to go up. Note if you get off at the metro station – Abbesses- there are about 10 sets of winding stairs to climb to get out of the Metro- take the elevator and save your legs!
Weather:
We were there from 5/16 thru 5/23. We had a few days of rain but overall the weather was very comfortable. In the 60’s to low 70’s most of the time. Most days were overcast which made sight seeing and walking more bearable. It was light jacket weather especially in the early mornings and evenings.
Siene River cruise:
We did this at dusk and it was a very nice experience. We did not do a dinner cruise. The buildings are lit and on the hour and half hour the Eiffel Tower twinkles. We were in line early for the 9:30 cruise- which ensured that we got the front seats up top. We took the boats at Point Neuf. We had an Internet discount coupon as well.
Transportation:
Metro- easy to use, fast, gets you just about anywhere in the city. Easy to follow the signs and transfer- we were never lost. We bought the Carnet- 10 tickets. The Metro did not have a “smell” that has been alluded to by some. We had no problems.
Hop on Hop off Bus- Le Open Tours- we bought the 2 day pass at 29 euros per person. There was a stop about a block from our hotel. This is a great way to see the city. Obviously when the weather is nice everyone rides on the upper open top level, and when it turns rainy or cold everyone is on the lower level of this double decker bus so at times it’s hard to get the seat you want.
Shopping:
We found a number of stores along Rue Ravioli (where the locals shop) and the wife was able to purchase handbags at a price that would be considered reasonable for Paris. It was a bit difficult for her to find her shoe size.
French women must have big feet. Her size- European- is 35 (5 US) and the smallest size in stock on Rue Ravioli was 36! When we went out to Sacra Coeur she did find a nice shop that had her size in stock and she was able to buy to her hearts content. This was a shop that specializes in petite sizes. Remember guys it’s not about need, it’s about want. Women are always on the lookout for shoes and handbags- if you just accept that life is a lot easier to get thru!
Other observations:
1) Doggie doo on the sidewalks- not a big problem but you are well advised to look down as you walk about the neighborhoods.
2) Walking- you must walk the city to get a full appreciation of the beauty of this city. We were walking about 3-4 miles per day. Every building is a work of art. Wear comfortable shoes!
3) Cars- they have the most interesting assortment of small cars I have ever seen in my life. Peugeots, Renaults, Citroens, Mini Coopers, Fiats, and others- so many interesting models. There is even a motorcycle that has a hard top canopy- you have to see it to understand what I’m saying. I often wonder why these cars are not marketed in the US?
Parking- one needs an advanced degree in this curriculum as the Parisians do not leave any space between them and the cars on either side of them- none!
4) Smoking and pets. The French love to smoke and in many cafes you will encounter smokers- its best to grab a table either outside or close to the door to get fresh air. They also love their pets and you will see their dogs in the cafes, stores, etc. Don’t be fooled by any “No Smoking “ signs the French simply ignore them.
5) Getting the check at the cafes- no problem the check was generally presented without asking for it, and you just lay down your Euros and they come over and make change at your table without questions.
6) The French dress up- so if you want to ensure that you will fit in and get the best service- dress nicely and greet everyone with a Bonjour. (leave the dingy, hole in the knee, jeans and tee shirts and sneakers at home)
7) I like the fact that the service charge and tax is included in the final bill. This also applies in stores as the tax is built into the price of things. So what you see is what you pay in the stores and cafes- this is a much better system that what we have in the states. Bring your passport info with you at all times for VAT refund purposes (175 euro minimum purchase at a single store in a single day) and for a 10% discount at the major department stores- Printemps and Galleries Lafayette. ( Leave your passport in the hotel safe- bring a photo copy of it with you for these discounts)
8) Is Paris expensive- in a word – yes. A can of coke or a cup of coffee in a café will set you back 4.5 Euros or about $5-6. I had a pint of beer that cost me 8 euros. Bag checks at the museums- they examine your bags but we were not required to check the backpack that I carried around.
9) The literature indicated that one must try the ice cream place- Berthillon on Rue St. Louis. It was described as the best ice cream in the world. Well we did try it and yes it was good but I’m not sure it is deserving of such accolades. The ice cream at the Brasserie Printemps (6th floor) tastes better hands down and it’s a beautiful domed stained glass room.
10) Pickpockets- not a problem for us- we never felt uneasy no matter where we went day or night.
11) Public toilets- they have these located on the sidewalks on some streets- they are, I understand, self cleaning, high tech- no I do not speak from experience.
12) You need only be able to say- Bonjour, Merci, Au revoir and you will do just fine over there.
Conclusion
A very enjoyable trip to what is without a doubt the most beautiful city in the world. We are glad we did other European capitals before tackling Paris. The other capitals would have been a bit of a let down had we done Paris first. Is this city at the top of my list of best cities to visit- YES!
BillT (and wife Olive)
We live in Houston, Texas. We flew out on 5/15, an evening flight on Continental non-stop. Cattle car. Arrived in Paris in the afternoon. Took a cab to the Hotel- cost 48 euros plus a tip. Took about an hour. Departed Paris on 5/23- used a shuttle arranged by the hotel- 36 euros plus tip. Boarding in Paris was the usual affair- a throng of passengers herded thru the gate- while the “Elite” boarding access was used by only a few of the privileged class. The huddled masses- you know the little people who pay taxes (us included) - were grumbling at the inefficiency of the process. I swear I could hear a female voice in the distance shouting- “Let them eat cake”. If the Disney folks can figure out how to move a lot of people thru a line you think the airline folks could also. The flight was actually only half full coming back so it was nice to have an empty seat between us. Our tickets were bought last year for about $800 apiece. CDG airport is in need of a facelift.
People:
The French are very polite and accommodating – in the hotels, the cafes, department stores- we did not encounter any “le Attitude”! We met more rude people in NYC the 3 days that were we there years ago than in the 7 days we had in Paris! In fact, in one of the cafes we frequented, when the head waiter saw that the wife was served Coke in a bottle, he came to our table, took the coke and advised us that he’ll exchange it for the canned Coke, aware of the wife’s preference. That was a nice gesture.
Most spoke some English.
Food:
If you are expecting reviews on some great French restaurants then you will need to stop here and hit the back button. We “dined” at Brasseries and some great Chinese restaurants. (Yes we traveled 5,000 miles to eat Chinese!) We were able to get some eggs and omelets at a few cafes. One place we ordered their fried eggs and bacon and what we were served were two fried eggs up with bacon pieces mixed into the eggs. The bacon was not crispy and one piece had a bone in it- that was odd! This was the “English” breakfast- the English prefer their bacon half cooked! At the Galleries Lafayette (Department store) there was a great Sichuan restaurant that served very good food at reasonable prices. We ate there I think 3 times. We also found a great little Chinese place on rue Du Buci just off Saint Germaine in the 7th area. This place was like a deli where you could see all their items and just pointed out what you wanted. They have Dim Sum.
A number of the cafes had menus posted in both French and English.
The coffee there is pretty strong (the way I like it) but the wife prefers her coffee weak. Before the trip I wondered if we would be able to order coffee with a pot of hot water so the wife could dilute it- I was concerned this might start the second French revolution! I had visions of the masses storming the Bastille. Of course there is nothing there to storm these days and my concerns were unfounded as we saw locals ordering coffee with a pot or a cup of hot water.
Note – no problem getting ice in your drinks. Coke in glass bottles seems to taste different (sweeter) than those in the can. You have to ask for the can – otherwise they give it to you in the bottle.
Fashion Show
We had reservations for the Friday 3 pm Fashion Show at Galleries Lafayette Department Store. We had front seats on the runway and enjoyed seeing the latest fashions- the show lasted about 30 minutes. Its free you just have to request tickets several weeks in advance thru the store’s website. The models were actually good looking with nice figures (not the usual skinny types that look as if they are auditioning for a prisoner of war camp movie- you know the type!). The fashions on display were such that one could actually buy and wear – imagine that clothes that you would actually wear!
Rick Steves:
Before our trip I read Rick’s book on Paris. I also ordered his map of Paris. I found his book to be of some value- although I must admit that we do not travel in the style of Rick Steves. No way is this team going to make it on one carryon bag! His map was very useful. Over the years I have seen his TV show on Paris and how he marvels about Rue Cler- so this was one of the places I had to visit. Well we went there on an afternoon during the week and found it to be a letdown. Half of the shops were closed and frankly I’m just not impressed with what Rue Cler had to offer. In fact I would suggest people visit Rue du Buci off of Saint Germaine. This street has a variety of cafes, stores, markets, bakeries- the energy on this street far exceeded Rue Cler.
Hotel:
We stayed at the Hotel D’Orsay. This was an old but renovated hotel and was located in the 7th area- one block from the Museum D’Orsay and one block from the Assembly Nationale Metro. It had 2 elevators- a modern one right at the front desk of the lobby and another old time cage type elevator that you see in old movies located off the lobby. It was fun to ride this old elevator- you could get maybe 2 people and one bag in there. The location was great and it was very quiet. The German embassy was located on our street. The hotel cost 185 Euros/night. Breakfast was 10 euros extra per day. We chose to eat away from the hotel so I can’t comment on the food at the hotel. The room was large by European standards. You know a lot of European hotels are so small you have to leave the room to change your mind! It has a modern bathroom- shower and separate area for the toilet, double sinks. It had a hair dryer but no electrical outlet and the lighting was such that it focused the light on the sinks and thus when one looked in the mirror there were shadows on your face. (Note- bring your electrical converter and an extension cord) The room had a large armoire, a desk and guest chairs. It had a mini bar – convenient for storing our cans of Coke that we brought with us. (Yes we hauled coke- a 12 pack – from the states. Hey at $5 a pop it was worth it!). It also had a room safe. The room had air conditioning which we used on occasion. Electronic key entry. The wall paper needed to be replaced as the walls were scuffed a bit and you could see the seems on the wallpaper. The room needed some new moldings. Bottom line it was clean, the location was very good – overall I give it 3- 3.5 stars. We could open both windows to allow fresh air in- note that there are no screens on any windows in Paris. I suppose they don’t have a bug problem like we do here in Houston.
Not a bad value for Paris all things considered.
The Sights:
Well what can one say about the sights of Paris that have not already been said on this forum over and over- it’s a beautiful city and we took in all the sights. We did the Louve and the Orsay museums- we just walked up and bought tickets to get in. No lines; we did not go the museum pass route as we are not big museum buffs. We did all of the must see sights except we were not able to see Sacra Coeur. We took the Metro to the area and then walked to the funicular but it was not running. We did not want to climb all those steps so we opted not to go up. Note if you get off at the metro station – Abbesses- there are about 10 sets of winding stairs to climb to get out of the Metro- take the elevator and save your legs!
Weather:
We were there from 5/16 thru 5/23. We had a few days of rain but overall the weather was very comfortable. In the 60’s to low 70’s most of the time. Most days were overcast which made sight seeing and walking more bearable. It was light jacket weather especially in the early mornings and evenings.
Siene River cruise:
We did this at dusk and it was a very nice experience. We did not do a dinner cruise. The buildings are lit and on the hour and half hour the Eiffel Tower twinkles. We were in line early for the 9:30 cruise- which ensured that we got the front seats up top. We took the boats at Point Neuf. We had an Internet discount coupon as well.
Transportation:
Metro- easy to use, fast, gets you just about anywhere in the city. Easy to follow the signs and transfer- we were never lost. We bought the Carnet- 10 tickets. The Metro did not have a “smell” that has been alluded to by some. We had no problems.
Hop on Hop off Bus- Le Open Tours- we bought the 2 day pass at 29 euros per person. There was a stop about a block from our hotel. This is a great way to see the city. Obviously when the weather is nice everyone rides on the upper open top level, and when it turns rainy or cold everyone is on the lower level of this double decker bus so at times it’s hard to get the seat you want.
Shopping:
We found a number of stores along Rue Ravioli (where the locals shop) and the wife was able to purchase handbags at a price that would be considered reasonable for Paris. It was a bit difficult for her to find her shoe size.
French women must have big feet. Her size- European- is 35 (5 US) and the smallest size in stock on Rue Ravioli was 36! When we went out to Sacra Coeur she did find a nice shop that had her size in stock and she was able to buy to her hearts content. This was a shop that specializes in petite sizes. Remember guys it’s not about need, it’s about want. Women are always on the lookout for shoes and handbags- if you just accept that life is a lot easier to get thru!
Other observations:
1) Doggie doo on the sidewalks- not a big problem but you are well advised to look down as you walk about the neighborhoods.
2) Walking- you must walk the city to get a full appreciation of the beauty of this city. We were walking about 3-4 miles per day. Every building is a work of art. Wear comfortable shoes!
3) Cars- they have the most interesting assortment of small cars I have ever seen in my life. Peugeots, Renaults, Citroens, Mini Coopers, Fiats, and others- so many interesting models. There is even a motorcycle that has a hard top canopy- you have to see it to understand what I’m saying. I often wonder why these cars are not marketed in the US?
Parking- one needs an advanced degree in this curriculum as the Parisians do not leave any space between them and the cars on either side of them- none!
4) Smoking and pets. The French love to smoke and in many cafes you will encounter smokers- its best to grab a table either outside or close to the door to get fresh air. They also love their pets and you will see their dogs in the cafes, stores, etc. Don’t be fooled by any “No Smoking “ signs the French simply ignore them.
5) Getting the check at the cafes- no problem the check was generally presented without asking for it, and you just lay down your Euros and they come over and make change at your table without questions.
6) The French dress up- so if you want to ensure that you will fit in and get the best service- dress nicely and greet everyone with a Bonjour. (leave the dingy, hole in the knee, jeans and tee shirts and sneakers at home)
7) I like the fact that the service charge and tax is included in the final bill. This also applies in stores as the tax is built into the price of things. So what you see is what you pay in the stores and cafes- this is a much better system that what we have in the states. Bring your passport info with you at all times for VAT refund purposes (175 euro minimum purchase at a single store in a single day) and for a 10% discount at the major department stores- Printemps and Galleries Lafayette. ( Leave your passport in the hotel safe- bring a photo copy of it with you for these discounts)
8) Is Paris expensive- in a word – yes. A can of coke or a cup of coffee in a café will set you back 4.5 Euros or about $5-6. I had a pint of beer that cost me 8 euros. Bag checks at the museums- they examine your bags but we were not required to check the backpack that I carried around.
9) The literature indicated that one must try the ice cream place- Berthillon on Rue St. Louis. It was described as the best ice cream in the world. Well we did try it and yes it was good but I’m not sure it is deserving of such accolades. The ice cream at the Brasserie Printemps (6th floor) tastes better hands down and it’s a beautiful domed stained glass room.
10) Pickpockets- not a problem for us- we never felt uneasy no matter where we went day or night.
11) Public toilets- they have these located on the sidewalks on some streets- they are, I understand, self cleaning, high tech- no I do not speak from experience.
12) You need only be able to say- Bonjour, Merci, Au revoir and you will do just fine over there.
Conclusion
A very enjoyable trip to what is without a doubt the most beautiful city in the world. We are glad we did other European capitals before tackling Paris. The other capitals would have been a bit of a let down had we done Paris first. Is this city at the top of my list of best cities to visit- YES!
BillT (and wife Olive)
May 30th, 2007 | 05:32 AM
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Thanks for the nice report. About the close parking: I read somewhere that people leave their cars in neutral when they park so you can nudge the car forward or backward to get into a space. Sort of like bumper cars. Not sure whether this is true.
About the Coke: it costs much less at a grocery or convenience store than it does at a cafe. I didn't find it to be more expensive to buy by the can or bottle than it is at home.
About the Coke: it costs much less at a grocery or convenience store than it does at a cafe. I didn't find it to be more expensive to buy by the can or bottle than it is at home.
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May 30th, 2007 | 05:50 AM
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great report bill....we have been many times to paris and find that the place grows on you....we love the 7th and also the marais area....there is so much to see and do there that return trips are almost assured...
does not beat bangkok for overall excitement however....
does not beat bangkok for overall excitement however....
May 30th, 2007 | 06:07 AM
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>> I often wonder why these cars are not marketed in the US? <<
Long story ... Unlike VW, French car makers never achieved a real status on the US market.
Basically, after WWII, the prime market for French car makers was domestic.
Some cars, such as the Citroën DS, could have been a hit, but then very different US norms made the French industry reluctant to really settle over the Atlantic. Peugeot tried, and even had some success (NY taxi bet), but its after-sale service was second in horror only to Yugo. Renault also tried, after buying AMC, but being in a very dire financial situation at the time, they pulled off.
Long story ... Unlike VW, French car makers never achieved a real status on the US market.
Basically, after WWII, the prime market for French car makers was domestic.
Some cars, such as the Citroën DS, could have been a hit, but then very different US norms made the French industry reluctant to really settle over the Atlantic. Peugeot tried, and even had some success (NY taxi bet), but its after-sale service was second in horror only to Yugo. Renault also tried, after buying AMC, but being in a very dire financial situation at the time, they pulled off.
May 30th, 2007 | 06:13 AM
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Nikki- where do you live- buying coke in Houston is much cheaper than in Paris- maybe you live in NYC or Boston.
The boat we took was not Batobus.
Will we return to Paris? maybe but we will have to exhaust all other cities of the world that remain on our list first.
Does it beat Bangkok? There are plusses and minuses to both so hard to say- I like them both for different reasons.
The boat we took was not Batobus.
Will we return to Paris? maybe but we will have to exhaust all other cities of the world that remain on our list first.
Does it beat Bangkok? There are plusses and minuses to both so hard to say- I like them both for different reasons.
May 30th, 2007 | 06:17 AM
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Bill, I enjoyed your take on Paris.
I hope it does not seem too preachy to say that there is a good message there for others: that a successful visit to Paris (or anywhere) depends not only on the destination, but on the traveller. Paris is not there just for you, and does not owe you anything. What you make of it is down to you.
I suspect that you and Olive have the mindset that makes just about any trip worthwhile.
I hope it does not seem too preachy to say that there is a good message there for others: that a successful visit to Paris (or anywhere) depends not only on the destination, but on the traveller. Paris is not there just for you, and does not owe you anything. What you make of it is down to you.
I suspect that you and Olive have the mindset that makes just about any trip worthwhile.
May 30th, 2007 | 06:24 AM
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It's true that I come from New York and live near Boston. And I don't remember the exact price of soda at grocery stores in Paris. But it was far less than the cost at a cafe, especially at an outdoor table at a cafe, where admittedly the price is very high.
May 30th, 2007 | 07:35 AM
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Well done Bill with that interesting report! Gotta tell ya Bill - come off the coke mate it's no good. Just pulling your leg - Now don't run to the fridge and chuck it all out just yet because if you keep it until Xmas you can cook your Gammon in it! Absolutely delicious: 1 leg gammon drowned in 4 litres coke and cooked until done, left to cool in the coke.
May 30th, 2007 | 07:52 AM
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Great refreshing trip report, thanks!
Love the:
"Remember guys it’s not about need, it’s about want. Women are always on the lookout for shoes and handbags- if you just accept that life is a lot easier to get thru"
Made me smile...me being a purse and shoe fanatic...think I might show that to my DH tonight.
Love the:
"Remember guys it’s not about need, it’s about want. Women are always on the lookout for shoes and handbags- if you just accept that life is a lot easier to get thru"
Made me smile...me being a purse and shoe fanatic...think I might show that to my DH tonight.
