Need tips to avoid paying credit card fees while traveling in France
Jun 21st, 2011, 05:36 PM
#21
Join Date: May 2003
Posts: 27,868
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Keep in mind that there are fees your bank card will charge as well as fee charged by VISA or Mastercard. Capital One Venture card does not charge ANY fee and absorbs the Visa and MC fee. If you are only using it for foreign travel, get the no annual fee Venture Card. Yes, it only gives 1.25 miles per dollar, but if you aren't using it for free miles, it is worth not paying annual fee. Also, get an Cap One online checking account to get their free ATM card too.
Jun 22nd, 2011, 09:21 AM
#25
Join Date: May 2005
Posts: 296
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Chase offers Marriot rewards card with no transaction fees. It gives you one Category 4 free night good for the next 6 month plus 30K points (can be used for 1-2 nights) - first year is free. If you decided to keep it for $65 you will get one free night Cat5 every year on renewal (black card). Everyone in my family has one 
.
If your bank does not charge fees you can withdraw cash and pay cash – also works well.
.If your bank does not charge fees you can withdraw cash and pay cash – also works well.
Jun 23rd, 2011, 04:29 AM
#26
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 2,556
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
DebitNM--You are right in that Capital One ATM does not charge fees, but as they state clearly on the website (look under the FAQs on http://tinyurl.com/5v8aywa), the ATM "owner" may charge you.
You personally may not have visited any ATM that charged you, but Cap One is obviously aware that the possibility exists. I had hoped there was an offer to refund (see why below), but that does not seem to be the case.
Schwab knows that an ATM owner can charge too, but the difference is that Schwab promises to REFUND any such charges. I think two people on this forum said that Schwab had indeed automatically refunded them at then end of the month.
Capital One makes no such promises for refunding any such fees. I had asked them, too.
I cannot emphasize enough, however, that I have been very pleased with my Cap One credit card. It saved us so much money in New Zealand.
I just opened (long story) three bank accounts so that I can access several ATMs on the same day overseas...
Bank of America because of the BNP Paribus
Charles Schwab High Yield
Cap One
...so fine print and I have been sleeping together
You personally may not have visited any ATM that charged you, but Cap One is obviously aware that the possibility exists. I had hoped there was an offer to refund (see why below), but that does not seem to be the case.
Schwab knows that an ATM owner can charge too, but the difference is that Schwab promises to REFUND any such charges. I think two people on this forum said that Schwab had indeed automatically refunded them at then end of the month.
Capital One makes no such promises for refunding any such fees. I had asked them, too.
I cannot emphasize enough, however, that I have been very pleased with my Cap One credit card. It saved us so much money in New Zealand.
I just opened (long story) three bank accounts so that I can access several ATMs on the same day overseas...
Bank of America because of the BNP Paribus
Charles Schwab High Yield
Cap One
...so fine print and I have been sleeping together
Jun 23rd, 2011, 05:14 AM
#27
Join Date: May 2003
Posts: 27,868
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I guess it matters where you use ATM but in France, there were no ATM fees by owners of the ATMs. Nor in Copenhagen, the towns we visited in Sweden or Norway either.
As for reimbursment, this is from Cap One webpage:
†<i> Fees assessed at any ATM within the United States and at some ATMs located outside the United States will be reimbursed within 5 business days, up to $25 per statement period.</i>
Of course it says some ATMs so I don't know for sure which ones are covered.
http://www.capitalone.com/directbank...king-account/?
As for reimbursment, this is from Cap One webpage:
†<i> Fees assessed at any ATM within the United States and at some ATMs located outside the United States will be reimbursed within 5 business days, up to $25 per statement period.</i>
Of course it says some ATMs so I don't know for sure which ones are covered.
http://www.capitalone.com/directbank...king-account/?
Jun 23rd, 2011, 08:43 AM
#30
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 3,179
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
French BANK ATMs do not charge fees (not all ATMs belong necessarily to banks however). There is a 1% currency conversion fee which is charged by Maestro, Cirrus, or Pulse. Any other charge comes from your bank.
B of A charges $5 per ATM transaction and passes along the 1% currency conversion fee to most of its customers. Customers using BNP may avoid the $5 fee. Depending upon the agreement you have with BA, some customers may avoid the currency conversion fee (but not everyone).
From the BA website:
<i>In addition, an International Transaction Fee may be charged for ATM card and Debit Card transactions made for ATM cash withdrawals in currency other than U.S. dollars, regardless. The International Transaction Fee will be 1% of the U.S. dollar amount for each converted ATM cash withdrawal. This International Transaction Fee will appear as a separate item on your banking statement for each international transaction.
http://www.bankofamerica.com/deposits/checksave/index.cfm?template=lc_faq_ATM&context=&statecheck= TX&cd_bag=&sa_bag=&ch_bag=</i>
I have never really understood why someone would open an account at BA simply to be restricted as to where they could make feeless ATM withdrawals. Many credit unions and smaller banks (such as USAA) never charge for ATM withdrawals anywhere in or outside of the USA and they reimburse fees you may incur when using other bank's ATMs.
B of A charges $5 per ATM transaction and passes along the 1% currency conversion fee to most of its customers. Customers using BNP may avoid the $5 fee. Depending upon the agreement you have with BA, some customers may avoid the currency conversion fee (but not everyone).
From the BA website:
<i>In addition, an International Transaction Fee may be charged for ATM card and Debit Card transactions made for ATM cash withdrawals in currency other than U.S. dollars, regardless. The International Transaction Fee will be 1% of the U.S. dollar amount for each converted ATM cash withdrawal. This International Transaction Fee will appear as a separate item on your banking statement for each international transaction.
http://www.bankofamerica.com/deposits/checksave/index.cfm?template=lc_faq_ATM&context=&statecheck= TX&cd_bag=&sa_bag=&ch_bag=</i>
I have never really understood why someone would open an account at BA simply to be restricted as to where they could make feeless ATM withdrawals. Many credit unions and smaller banks (such as USAA) never charge for ATM withdrawals anywhere in or outside of the USA and they reimburse fees you may incur when using other bank's ATMs.
Jun 23rd, 2011, 08:51 AM
#31
Join Date: Nov 2010
Posts: 399
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Just returned from France. Got the Capitol One card with 0% transaction well in advance of trip. I bank with Chase too and my Premium Account allows 4 no fee ATM withdrawals / month. Check with Chase.
Jun 28th, 2011, 08:30 AM
#32
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 2,556
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
DebitMN--I saw the bank account type on your link and thought, "Darn--I applied for the wrong bank account type with Cap One!". I own a High Yield Money Market account; your link was to the Interest Online Checking Account.
You were right--unlike my Cap One banking account, yours will refund any ATM charges.
But I had a nice chat with Cap One people today before I switched types, and I'm going to stick with the one I have, and here's why:
--it's highly unlikely I'll get charged a fee by a French ATM
--the card I get is ONLY an ATM card, something I want because...
--the debit card I would get from the Interest Online Checking Account cannot be reduced below $2500 in purchases per day (see what Schwab does below).
My goal--and that does not have to be everyone else's goal--was to get money only from ATMs and prevent anyone from using the card for any purchases. So I'm going to keep my current Cap One banking account type but I thank you for posting another Cap One option that will obviously be useful to others.
I SHALL be using another type of debit card--the Charles Schwab High Yield--but they will allow me to reduce the purchasing ability to a penney. Therefore, it can only act as an ATM card. I thank the people who steered me in this direction, by the way.
I have only gotten the BofA banking/ATM cards (and that has been a struggle) because apparently, that helps us open a needed French bank account at one of their "sister" banks that's right down the street.
As soon as we close the French account, the BofA is GONE. Dealing with BofA online banking has been like getting a root canal. They WILL give you an ATM-only card, but there has been a lot of passive-agressive stuff that has gone along with it.
With a bit of an argument, BofA did cancel the debit card they sent me a week after I applied and then they did send me an ATM card a week later, but they didn't send a PIN before or with it. I had to call five times (and get disconnected three) to find someone who merely suggests that I walk into any BoFA bank and get this straightened out. God forbid that I explain there is no BofA bank within 100 miles. Dead silence. Transfer call; disconnect.
I will keep my fingers crossed I will get a PIN by Friday this week (called a week ago Monday).
You were right--unlike my Cap One banking account, yours will refund any ATM charges.
But I had a nice chat with Cap One people today before I switched types, and I'm going to stick with the one I have, and here's why:
--it's highly unlikely I'll get charged a fee by a French ATM
--the card I get is ONLY an ATM card, something I want because...
--the debit card I would get from the Interest Online Checking Account cannot be reduced below $2500 in purchases per day (see what Schwab does below).
My goal--and that does not have to be everyone else's goal--was to get money only from ATMs and prevent anyone from using the card for any purchases. So I'm going to keep my current Cap One banking account type but I thank you for posting another Cap One option that will obviously be useful to others.
I SHALL be using another type of debit card--the Charles Schwab High Yield--but they will allow me to reduce the purchasing ability to a penney. Therefore, it can only act as an ATM card. I thank the people who steered me in this direction, by the way.
I have only gotten the BofA banking/ATM cards (and that has been a struggle) because apparently, that helps us open a needed French bank account at one of their "sister" banks that's right down the street.
As soon as we close the French account, the BofA is GONE. Dealing with BofA online banking has been like getting a root canal. They WILL give you an ATM-only card, but there has been a lot of passive-agressive stuff that has gone along with it.
With a bit of an argument, BofA did cancel the debit card they sent me a week after I applied and then they did send me an ATM card a week later, but they didn't send a PIN before or with it. I had to call five times (and get disconnected three) to find someone who merely suggests that I walk into any BoFA bank and get this straightened out. God forbid that I explain there is no BofA bank within 100 miles. Dead silence. Transfer call; disconnect.
I will keep my fingers crossed I will get a PIN by Friday this week (called a week ago Monday).
Jun 28th, 2011, 10:12 AM
#33
Join Date: Jul 2007
Posts: 986
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
Just back from 8 days in Ireland and have paid a total of $20.81 in foreign transaction fees on my Citibank MasterCard and $12.00 in foreign ATM fees at my bank.
This is a local bank that does not charge a foreign transaction fee but just the current interbank rate euros/dollars. I had three ATM cards for the same account so made twelve withdrawals of as much as the ATM would allow (3/day as needed). Was careful to use only ATMs attached to bricks-and-mortar banks as none of them charge transaction fees.
The only things that went on the credit card in euros were advance admission tickets, tolls, and that full tank of diesel to Dan Dooley on rental....but the day I left, leaving a full tank, my account was credited for the diesel and the appropriate FTF. Oh, yes, and insurance4carhire charged me in pounds sterling so FTF for that.
Paid cash for food, diesel, snacks, souvenir shopping, B&B's (much appreciated by the hosts/hostesses; sometimes required), entrance fees to sites, etc.
Not bad for 4 people, 8 days on the ground and 2 travel. Came home with a few euros to get me started on the next trip.
This is a local bank that does not charge a foreign transaction fee but just the current interbank rate euros/dollars. I had three ATM cards for the same account so made twelve withdrawals of as much as the ATM would allow (3/day as needed). Was careful to use only ATMs attached to bricks-and-mortar banks as none of them charge transaction fees.
The only things that went on the credit card in euros were advance admission tickets, tolls, and that full tank of diesel to Dan Dooley on rental....but the day I left, leaving a full tank, my account was credited for the diesel and the appropriate FTF. Oh, yes, and insurance4carhire charged me in pounds sterling so FTF for that.
Paid cash for food, diesel, snacks, souvenir shopping, B&B's (much appreciated by the hosts/hostesses; sometimes required), entrance fees to sites, etc.
Not bad for 4 people, 8 days on the ground and 2 travel. Came home with a few euros to get me started on the next trip.
Jun 28th, 2011, 10:40 AM
#34
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 34,858
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
I have a Cap One bank account and they do refund up to $10 a month on other ATM fees. It's in the terms, it is a promise. However, conversely, they also charge a $2 fee per transaction of their own if you use a non-CapOne ATM, which they do not refund, not matter what kind of customer you are (as I have a premium account). But they probably have diff. kind of bank accounts, I just know that's what mine does. I have Cap One as my regular neighborhood bank, it isn't some online account. Given they don't charge any foreign transaction fee, paying $2 per ATM use isn't that big a deal if you don't take out small amounts.
IN fact, I also have a Cap One Money Market account which is "virtual", I did it my mail before they opened regular banks in my neighborhood, and that ATM card does NOT have any ATM fee at all, so I use that one when I go abroad, and the one attached to my bank acct as a backup.
I think someone above said Cap One charged $59 for their credit cards, and while they do for some particular kind, they have other cards without any fees as I have one. So it is easy to get a Cap One CC without any annual fee.
Ultimately, I think people bank where is most convenient to them for a lot of reasons. There are Cap One branches all over where I live and it is close to my home, also, so I am deinitely going to bank there given I like most everything about them, even if they do have a $2 ATM fee for using nonCapOne ATMs, which I only do on vacation. Lots of people cannot use USAA for example, it's only for certain kind of people related to the military or something. I know because I asked them and they wouldn't allow me to get their card. Most people aren't military families.
IN fact, I also have a Cap One Money Market account which is "virtual", I did it my mail before they opened regular banks in my neighborhood, and that ATM card does NOT have any ATM fee at all, so I use that one when I go abroad, and the one attached to my bank acct as a backup.
I think someone above said Cap One charged $59 for their credit cards, and while they do for some particular kind, they have other cards without any fees as I have one. So it is easy to get a Cap One CC without any annual fee.
Ultimately, I think people bank where is most convenient to them for a lot of reasons. There are Cap One branches all over where I live and it is close to my home, also, so I am deinitely going to bank there given I like most everything about them, even if they do have a $2 ATM fee for using nonCapOne ATMs, which I only do on vacation. Lots of people cannot use USAA for example, it's only for certain kind of people related to the military or something. I know because I asked them and they wouldn't allow me to get their card. Most people aren't military families.
Jun 28th, 2011, 01:52 PM
#36
Join Date: Oct 2008
Posts: 2,556
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
You are right, Christina. CapOne has oodles of types of credit cards and oodles of type of banking accounts.
One result of my chat with a CapOne associate today was the information that I cannot tie in my CapOne credit card with my bank account(s) in that you can't just sign in online and see all cc and bank accounts with CapOne BUT you can transfer any miles earned from various CapOne things to other Cap One things.
I'm not planning on doing anything like that soon, but it was fun exploring. Nice service.
One result of my chat with a CapOne associate today was the information that I cannot tie in my CapOne credit card with my bank account(s) in that you can't just sign in online and see all cc and bank accounts with CapOne BUT you can transfer any miles earned from various CapOne things to other Cap One things.
I'm not planning on doing anything like that soon, but it was fun exploring. Nice service.
Jul 10th, 2011, 02:55 PM
#37
Join Date: Apr 2007
Posts: 3,179
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes
on
0 Posts
<i>Lots of people cannot use USAA for example</i>
Sorry Christina but this statement is absolutely inaccurate. Anyone can use USAA banking services, only their insurance services were once limited to military officers. Why would anyone want to bank at USAA?
1. Checking is free - accounts actually pay a bit of interest.
2. Checks are free - not too many people actually use them now days but check stock is free non the less.
3. ATM withdrawals are free, anywhere in the world. When US banks impose ATM fees, USAA reimburses them to its customers (there is a limit which I have never exceeded). USAA passes along the Pulse/Maestro/Cirrus currency conversion fee of 1% however.
4. You may deposit checks on line at no cost.
5. Web pay is free.
As for credit cards, if your payments are timely and complete there are no fees, ever. USAA does pass along the Visa/MC 1% currency conversion fee but my cc account pays me 1% on all charges so effectively I never see the 1% currency conversion fee.
I am in no way connected to USAA other than as a satisfied customer for almost 40 years. There is a lot written on this forum about many banks but none offers the service that USAA does and anybody can enjoy the same advantages by simply opening an account.
Sorry Christina but this statement is absolutely inaccurate. Anyone can use USAA banking services, only their insurance services were once limited to military officers. Why would anyone want to bank at USAA?
1. Checking is free - accounts actually pay a bit of interest.
2. Checks are free - not too many people actually use them now days but check stock is free non the less.
3. ATM withdrawals are free, anywhere in the world. When US banks impose ATM fees, USAA reimburses them to its customers (there is a limit which I have never exceeded). USAA passes along the Pulse/Maestro/Cirrus currency conversion fee of 1% however.
4. You may deposit checks on line at no cost.
5. Web pay is free.
As for credit cards, if your payments are timely and complete there are no fees, ever. USAA does pass along the Visa/MC 1% currency conversion fee but my cc account pays me 1% on all charges so effectively I never see the 1% currency conversion fee.
I am in no way connected to USAA other than as a satisfied customer for almost 40 years. There is a lot written on this forum about many banks but none offers the service that USAA does and anybody can enjoy the same advantages by simply opening an account.
