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Apr 20th, 2010, 07:17 PM
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thanks for all the info on where to store the luggage and the stop in bologana

annabelle - the casamartini looks ssssssssssssssssooooo amazing - is the locale a good 1 for a first timer???
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Apr 21st, 2010, 03:34 PM
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Well, that is a good question. Many people would probably say no, it is too far from Piazza San Marco, etc. I stayed in three different areas of Venice - once near San Marco, the second time at Casa Martini in Cannaregio, and the third in Dorsoduro.

I probably wouldn't stay near San Marco again, but the other two areas have their good points (as do all areas of Venice - you will hear from many Venice lovers on fodor's and they all have their favorite areas!).

Casa Martini was good for easy access from the train station on foot, which means you can get off the train, pull your bag along with you (bumpy streets) and not have to figure out water transportation the first night. I also liked being in what the Martini's called the locals' Venice. We never would have wandered down some of those mysterious and dark back streets if the Martini's hadn't sent us out to their favorite restaurants. It is definitely a longer walk to places like San Marco, but you are convenient to a vaporetto stop.

I stayed there before they added even more rooms, and I do wonder if the family still runs it. They did make it a very personal experience!

Dorsoduro (we stayed at a small and simple but perfectly fine B&B there, Ca'Turelli, booked through Look under B&Bs) is a great neighborhood, however. We were kind of near the University, and it was an easy walk to central sights and also to places we wanted to see on that trip, specifically the Peggy Guggenheim museum. The only drawback perhaps for a first visit is that you will need to get water transportation from the train station there.

Not that this is a big deal - you will be taking the vaporetto anyway to get around Venice, I imagine. I just know that sometimes I like to get out off a train and walk to my hotel when I first arrive instead of having to figure out public transportation.

If you feel the need to be more 'central' perhaps Casa Martini would not suit you. But if you don't mind a little longer jaunt to get to San Marco etc, I certainly loved staying there, and felt like it was my neighborhood.

If you do stay there keep in mind you do walk past some pretty touristy spots (selling fake gondolier hats and the like) right when you get off the train, but don't despair - Casa Martini is a little further along and hidden back on a teeny alley.
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Apr 21st, 2010, 03:39 PM
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FYI, one of the Venetian hotels that gets rave reviews here and elsewhere (I could not book it for the last trip - it is popular- but I still want to stay there some time!) is:
Also in Dorsoduro. Great location!

Plenty of info about it on this site; just type in the name in the search bar.
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Apr 21st, 2010, 04:06 PM
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For a first timer, the place that Annabelle has suggested would work well. Easy to get to from the station, and not hard to find.

The location is OK - not far from the Ghetto, which is really worth going to.

I sighted some sobering monuments in Canneragio, in the Ghetto, a sequence, a story.

Monument No 1. A tablet, let into the wall, generally detailing the things that Jews were allowed to do in Venice, and providing for a reward for anyone denouncing people (i.e. Jews) for blasphemy. The reward to be funded from the property of the blasphemer, punishment fully detailed, secret denunciations invited. It is dated 26 September 1704, but I find it hard to believe that such persecution was still happening at that time, but two hundred ant thirty years later it certainly was. Every Jewish child in the Ghetto would have understood fully the significance of that tablet on the wall. The restrictions on Jews only ceased in 1797, with the arrival of Napoleon, barely two centuries ago. The Lion of Venice has been hammered off this tablet, and I can imagine the enthusiasm with which this little piece of civic vandalism was conducted.

Monument No 2. A tablet, listing the names of Venetian Jews who died in the 1915-18 war, patriotic Italians, who happened to be Jewish, and supported Italy in spite of Monument No 1.

Monument No 3. A tablet, immediately opposite No 2, erected by the remnants of the Venetian Jewish community, abhorring the deaths of 200 Venetian Jews, 8000 Italian Jews and six million European Jews in the Holocaust. The Venetian Jews branded as undesirables, in spite of the patriots named on Monument No 2.

Monument No 4. An apology by the Mayor of Venice, in Hebrew, Italian and English, to the 200 Venetian Jews who were carted out of Venice on the fifth of December, 1943, and the seventeenth of August, 1944. Signed by the Mayor, Mario Rigo, I believe in 1979, well after the erection of Monument No 3, but an apology none the less.

Monument No 5. A structure made of horizontal timber boards, bound with vertical steel straps. The names of the 200 Venetian Jewish victims are engraved on the boards. The whole effect is of a cattle truck, and is most profound - I spent a time reading the names, Elena Serini, aged 14, Scandiani Diena, aged 81. I have no idea what their story is, and possibly this is the only monument they will ever have.

Monument No 6 is not meant to be a monument at all, but I can’t help but see it in the sequence. It is a small kiosk in the Ghetto, to contain the three or four security guards on duty there all the time. That’s a monument to intolerance, and can too easily lead one back to Monument No 1.
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Apr 21st, 2010, 07:59 PM
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peter thank you for all the info - we will def go to the ghetto, Im a bit confused on which hotel u thought would be best?
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Apr 21st, 2010, 09:35 PM
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I think the Casa Martini would work - for a first time visit to Venice, it makes life easier if your hotel is easier to find, and if you can walk there without taking a water bus.

The story about the Ghetto is from my trip report that I wrote a year or so ago.

It's here:
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May 7th, 2010, 12:33 PM
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wow - so everything is set like 50ish days to go but still want suggestions on where to stay in rome - specifi hotels where u all have stayed cuz so far everything looks amazing- thanks!!
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