London - getting from Madam Tussards to Waterloo International by Taxi or tube?
Jul 20th, 2006, 01:31 AM
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Robespierre evidently hasn't been on a London bus in hot weather. I have to use them every day. Thanks to inadequate ventilation and poor design, they get uncomfortably hot inside. Only someone who lives in a sauna would find London's buses comfortable on a day like yesterday.
Jul 20th, 2006, 04:24 AM
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Robespierre evidently hasn't been on a London bus in hot weather. <b><i>Non sequitur.</i> I've been on London buses in hot weather, and found them to be tolerable. I'm not uncomfortable in hot weather until the metal parts in my car cause burns.</b>
Only someone who lives in a sauna would find London's buses comfortable on a day like yesterday. <b>Yes, and, maybe Ronda's sister and daughter do. Since I don't know, I offered both alternatives.
The shortest exposure to the least heat would be on the Tube (but OP has issues with that). Second would be taxi, but it's somewhat expensive. Third is bus, but since it's only marginally more uncomfortable than a taxi, some might choose it for the sake of economy.</b>
Only someone who lives in a sauna would find London's buses comfortable on a day like yesterday. <b>Yes, and, maybe Ronda's sister and daughter do. Since I don't know, I offered both alternatives.
The shortest exposure to the least heat would be on the Tube (but OP has issues with that). Second would be taxi, but it's somewhat expensive. Third is bus, but since it's only marginally more uncomfortable than a taxi, some might choose it for the sake of economy.</b>
Jul 20th, 2006, 08:49 AM
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<i>The shortest exposure to the least heat would be on the Tube.</i>
Temperatures of 117°F have recently been reported on the London Underground. Apparently the figure is not disputed by management. At present passengers are being advised to carry water.
The Underground will usually give the shortest journey time but operating problems can and do mean that trains are stationary in tunnels, possibly for some time. Deep level tube trains have no effective ventilation as the main source of ventilation in the tunnels is from the movement of trains.
Temperatures of 117°F have recently been reported on the London Underground. Apparently the figure is not disputed by management. At present passengers are being advised to carry water.
The Underground will usually give the shortest journey time but operating problems can and do mean that trains are stationary in tunnels, possibly for some time. Deep level tube trains have no effective ventilation as the main source of ventilation in the tunnels is from the movement of trains.
Jul 20th, 2006, 11:37 AM
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So the Tube is not only faster, but cooler, too!
(BTW, not all the lines were in that temperature range, according to TfL. That "50" is a number the newspapers like to throw around as if it were typical. But 35 is closer to average.)
(BTW, not all the lines were in that temperature range, according to TfL. That "50" is a number the newspapers like to throw around as if it were typical. But 35 is closer to average.)
Jul 20th, 2006, 01:18 PM
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<i>not all the lines were in that temperature range, according to TfL. That "50" is a number the newspapers like to throw around as if it were typical. But 35 is closer to average.</i>
The concept of an average is of little real value.
The Underground's surface stock (built to main line loading gauge) has cars with a greater volume than its tube stock and that has an effect on temperature levels.
Both surface stock and tube stock will be cooler in the outer suburbs (which are generally cooler than central London) on overground stretches where longer runs at higher speeds combined with less station time will keep cars cooler.
In the centre surface stock frequently runs in cut and cover tunnels and so will be cooler than tube stock on nearby lines.
The highest temperatures are likely to be found in tube stock in deep tube tunnels in central London. Here passenger numbers tend to be greatest and there is considerable heat generated by stopping and starting. Train speed is lower and there is a greater proportion of time spent standing in stations. That is the sort of tunnel between Baker Street and Waterloo, so for the subject under discussion here it is the top end of the range that is relevant, not a meaningless average.
The concept of an average is of little real value.
The Underground's surface stock (built to main line loading gauge) has cars with a greater volume than its tube stock and that has an effect on temperature levels.
Both surface stock and tube stock will be cooler in the outer suburbs (which are generally cooler than central London) on overground stretches where longer runs at higher speeds combined with less station time will keep cars cooler.
In the centre surface stock frequently runs in cut and cover tunnels and so will be cooler than tube stock on nearby lines.
The highest temperatures are likely to be found in tube stock in deep tube tunnels in central London. Here passenger numbers tend to be greatest and there is considerable heat generated by stopping and starting. Train speed is lower and there is a greater proportion of time spent standing in stations. That is the sort of tunnel between Baker Street and Waterloo, so for the subject under discussion here it is the top end of the range that is relevant, not a meaningless average.
Jul 20th, 2006, 02:38 PM
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I love it when the experts chime in to tell everyone else they're wrong - and then neglect to add anything substantial to the discussion.
So, what's the temperature along the Bakerloo line <i>right now</i>, and what should a traveler expect next Tuesday?
So, what's the temperature along the Bakerloo line <i>right now</i>, and what should a traveler expect next Tuesday?
Jul 20th, 2006, 03:14 PM
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Robespierre, "I love it when the experts chime in to tell everyone else they're wrong - and then neglect to add anything substantial to the discussion."
What an honest appraisal of your post at 03.37pm.
What an honest appraisal of your post at 03.37pm.
Jul 20th, 2006, 03:32 PM
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We're getting off track here. The original proposition was "if it's during this hot weather, a bus will be unbearable."
I merely pointed out that such a blanket statement cannot be supported without knowing what the travelers' tolerance for heat might be. The validity of this assertion is not subject to statistical analysis.
I merely pointed out that such a blanket statement cannot be supported without knowing what the travelers' tolerance for heat might be. The validity of this assertion is not subject to statistical analysis.
Jul 20th, 2006, 04:04 PM
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Most normal people do not appreciate travelling in temperatures in excess of 45C, you are being utterly pedantic and deliberately obtuse. In fact, I might even suggest they book a minicab which might be airconditioned.
Jul 20th, 2006, 04:42 PM
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<b>Most</b> normal people do not appreciate travelling in temperatures in excess of 45C
My comments are directed towards the rest (and the abnormal, as the case may be).
...you are being utterly pedantic and deliberately obtuse.
I decline to characterize what you're being.
In fact, I <b>might</b> even suggest they book a minicab which <b>might</b> be airconditioned.
That's mighty definite. I wonder what the availability of air-conditioned minicabs might be on a record hot day.
My comments are directed towards the rest (and the abnormal, as the case may be).
...you are being utterly pedantic and deliberately obtuse.
I decline to characterize what you're being.
In fact, I <b>might</b> even suggest they book a minicab which <b>might</b> be airconditioned.
That's mighty definite. I wonder what the availability of air-conditioned minicabs might be on a record hot day.
Aug 7th, 2006, 09:32 AM
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Just thought you would like to know that my sister and niece had no problems getting a taxi at Madame T's. My sister originally thought she would have to stay outside with the luggage while niece went with the group through Madame T's but as it turned out, one of the tour buses stayed at Madame T's so she was able to leave the luggage on the bus.
At the appointed time, they retrieved their luggage and were ready to try and get a cab when a cab pulled up in front of Madame T's and let someone out. The fare was approximately $30.
Thanks so much for your help and the lively discussion.
At the appointed time, they retrieved their luggage and were ready to try and get a cab when a cab pulled up in front of Madame T's and let someone out. The fare was approximately $30.
Thanks so much for your help and the lively discussion.
