Aug 15th, 2008, 06:35 AM
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I spend years on business in Kent and have explored practically every inch of its byways by bike and foot and car - it seems that many folks told the OP that there were better places to go - may be true but spurred me on to say why i think Kent is a tremendous place to go

so i'm taking the OP's statement "tell me everything you know about Kent"

whether OP is there or not is irrelevant and i'm answering the question. Why the complaint?


I love this area and
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This is a fascinating post for me, as I'll be spending a few days in Kent in October before going on a tour of WWI battlefields. I'm meeting the tour group in Faversham, so staying in a B&B there for a couple of nights. It's very close to Canterbury, there is a brewery tour in Faversham (Shepherd Neame), and the Chamber of Commerce sent me a neat set of maps with guided walks of the countryside- all oriented to pubs. I'm sure it's a business-making venture, but what the heck.
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I stayed frequently in Faversham, yes still a brewery town and the fumes from the Shepherd Neame brewery waft thru town. (Think owned by the Belgin beer giant now and perhaps making Stella?). I enjoyed having a pint at the pub right by the factory gates - an old pub with faded grandeur. But Faversham is an ancient brewery town and old town in general. Neat walks into the marshes by the old port towards the sea. Some days a lively market in the center and always a thriving regional town High Street. Good train service from its quaint Victoria stone train shed.
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And as the following Faversham Tourist Office link claims 'Faversham has some of England's most enchanting countryside surrounding it.

And i'll second that. I stayed often at Painter's Farm in Painter's Forestall, a 3 mile hike from Faversham on top of a ridge - the North Downs perhaps and that area is the quintessential bucolic England - sheep dotted rolling hills everywhere - narrow roads with 'passing lanes' - old farmhouses and endless fields.
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I do find it interesting that PQ keeps posting all these wiki and tourist board blurbs, yet leaves out the most unique and interesting features of several of the sites he describes.

Deal Castle for instance, or Walmer Castle - There are features that most would describe since they are so memorable. Sort of like one who stops outside and reads the notice boards w/o actually seeing inside the place . . . .

(I don't think we've lost the OP - he is considering some other ideas - seems understandable after the avalanche of "stuff" on this thread)
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One of the walks I mentioned goes to Painter's Forrestal, and it says there's a pub right on the village green overlooking the surrounding area- that's on my list.

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janis - i am doing a trip report of my experiences in Kent - vast experiences over decades and am not trying to highlight every little stone like you chastise me for not doing

I give links that do that

what is your problem?

Meanwhile i'll go on recapping some of my Kent experiences - and mention the most unique and interesting features of the sights to me - not to some criteria that you impose. Of course you can add in the more dry details as i often find them - i am not writing a travel guide but a trip report.

Give me a break.
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64driver - One edifice i can describe in great detail is the Alma pub, in tiny Painter's Forestal and the quintessential rural English pub - a low-slung ancient structure that i've spent many a night in after a long day of biking.

Of course Shepherd's Neame is the local favorite on tap (or was - i have not been there in a few years) and all social stratas flock here in this community gathering point - landed gentry - farmers in their Wellies, etc.

Check out Painter's Farm, just across the crossroads from the pub - it has an ancient half-timbered house.
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The Alma has been a pub since 1837 and was originally known as the Candle House, ... Painters Forstal Faversham Kent ME13 0DU Telephone: 01795-533835 ...

Looks like it's still a Shepherd Neame run pub - have a pint for me!
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And if you trek up to Painters Forestall you will experience one of thousands of tiny villages still dotting England - you have a small village green - an ancient red phone box - a tiny store selling bits of lots of things, with a post office, a few houses and of course the Alma Pub.
To me you can have your Deal Castles and Walmer Castles but i'll savor more this type of English that most tourists rarely stumble into. A type of England that someday may be considered a museum but today still lives on.
(Have not been to PF in a spell so maybe the store cum post office is gone - but the pub, as per cut and paste web site reference lingers on.)
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If you do stumble into (or more likely out of) the Alma Pub in Painters Forestall and if you see any old-timers there - a certainty - ask them if they remember the young American groups of my former tour company who several times a summer packed this pub, quite to the astonishment of the staid locals - many of the young lasses really turned old heads. The landlord loved the huge business but not sure all locals enjoyed having their rural pub taken over by drinking college age kids. (We stayed a few days each trip at Painter's Farm, strategically situated a few stumbles from the pub.)
And everyone fell in love with this tiny village and sheep farm - yeh i also took them to Deal and Walmer Castle but i bet Painters Forestall lingers in their mind and they've forgotten those generaly IMO forgettable castles
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Painters Forestall >>>>

It's all paint, paint, paint with you isn't it?
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Painters Forestall is on the edge of a verdant bucolic forest-dotted hilly terrain much of what you may expect in the Garden of England.

The roads here are so tiny that they have only passing spots every mile or so - try to take the many public footpaths but the roads are fine, esp in wet weather but keep an eye for cars and farm implements whizzing out of nowhere - the roads are often lined by very thick and tall hedgerows so there is no room for dash off on a shoulder. They are fine biking roads - well paved, but hilly as well.
there are innumerable tiny villages - the essence of rural England sketched in our minds' eyes in this area - Chilham, just several miles from Painters Forestall, is one of the finest as it is dominated by an ancient castle. (See sites noted below for more on this lovely small town and large castle.) Chilham has a train station - so you could hike there and train back as you so often can in this part of Kent.

Chilham - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
At each end of the square are its major buildings: Chilham Castle and the 15th century ... There is also Chilham Castle, which was owned by the Viscounts ...

A new dwelling, also called Chilham castle, was built next to the keep in 1616 surrounded by gardens and overlooking the River Stour. The old castle and ...

Chilham - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Chilham is a parish in the English county of Kent. Visited by tourists worldwide, it is known for its beauty. Chilham has been a location for a number of ...
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That Wikipedia writer leaves no cliché
unturned, does he?
The only adjective he has omitted is "bosky"

However, the thread is quite useful because I am planning to visit that area of bucolic boskiness myself quite soon
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I was surprised that the village was a tv and movie set:

<Chilham has been a location for a number of films and television dramas. In particular it hosted the 1944 film by Michael Powell and Emeric Presburger, A Canterbury Tale (1944).>

1944 was during the war right? Unlikely time to use a town in this part of England as a film set?
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>>1944 was during the war right? Unlikely time to use a town in this part of England as a film set?<<

Considering the inconveniences to international travel at the time, they weren't likely to go anywhere else, were they?

Plenty of films were made in the UK during the war, and often on outside locations. Transport could be difficult, but the entire country wasn't under permanent lockdown or bombardment.
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Chilham however is the jekyl and hyde type place that when, in summer mainly, hoardes of day tripping tourists and tour buses descend on it it losings most of its normal charm - esp since it is so tiny

so keep that in mind when jiving the romantic photos of it online with what really could be there at times. Janis - has it been overcrowded when you were there - i'd value your input on that.
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Janisj opined on another thread:

<There are more castles/gardens per square mile in Kent/East Sussex than just about anywhere else in the country>

and this is also the reason Kent makes a wondrous area to hike or bike or drive in - lots of swell gardens and castles every few miles it seems.

East Sussex being the area to the east of southern Kent - Hastings area for example.
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A unique feature of the Kent ruralscapes is the conical shaped slanting oast houses, traditionally used to dry the area's hops crops, which are oft grown in nearby fields.

Hops are grown in just a few places in europe - small parts of Belgium, Germany and SE England i believe are the major areas and Kent is one such hop growing and curing area for this essential for the beer industry.

when walking, biking or driving thru Kent you will still see many old oast houses and hop fields where things like really tall stilts grow these very tall crops.

Even from the Eurostar train from the Chunnel to London you will be able to see some of these unique weird structures.

For pictures of Kent's Oast Houses and Hop Fields:

Kent - The Garden of England
Photographs of Kent - Oast houses and hop fields ...

Oast house - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Oast House in Tudeley, Kent, now in residential use. Millar's Farm, Meopham. Millar's Farm, Meopham. Castle Farm oast, Sissinghurst. Castle Farm oast ... - 61

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An oast house is an example of vernacular architecture in England, especially Kent and Sussex. They are farm buildings used for drying hops to prepare them ...
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nona1 mentioned how nice the North Downs Ways that slices thru much of Kent is for rambling - an English word for hiking or walking on such trails i believe. I have taken parts of it and to me it's a really sweet hiking trail - i don't know too much about it really but the following English rambling and hiking sources more than give it justice.
Who said there's not much great hiking or walking in Kent?

Home - North Downs Way - National Trails
Walk the North Downs Way and discover everything this amazing route has to ... Kent Downs turn 40
Circular walks along the Trail in Kent and Surrey - North Downs ...
North Downs Way | National Trail. National Trails homepage ... This is a 6 mile walk starting from Wye village in Kent. ... -

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North Downs Way West (Farnham to the Medway) ISBN 1 85137 367 5; North Downs ... National Trail Manager Kent County Council, Strategic Planning Directorate, ...
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