justineparis

How so Bilbourger. .. its a saying.. you cant dress up a pig and make it a princess no matter how hard you try. NYFS has made it abundantly clear what she thinks of those who do not "look like George Cluny" and that she considers herself a knock out .

And sorry.. telling women that they are "so desperate that they will be with anyone".. when we know DARN well she is referring to a mans APPEARENCE is disgusting.. and I will cross that line anytime. If she was a man and said that about women would that be ok.. her insinuations are super shallow.

I have taught my kids to judge a person by their insides.. handsome men can be lovely.. but they can also be wife beaters. .beautiful women can be saints.. or child abusers.. LOOKS are not what counts in life.. you will all grow old and look old. no matter how much botox you use or how expensive your clothes are.. deal with it. Respect your self by being clean and groomed.. and yes.. dress appropriately for functions ( no tank tops to church etc) but love your mate for who he or she is.. not what they look like and if they compliment your look.. lol

And ..NYSnob.. I am very attractive.. but likely not a beautiful knock out like you.. you are in fact the most marvelous beautiful woman in the world.. people must drop to worship at your Louboutin clad feet.. yeah.. right.. nice profile shot.

bilboburgler

ah the saying i know is "you can't make a silk purse out of a sow's ear", never knew the pig/princess one, nationality?

justineparis

My nanny taught me that one.. she was polish/Latvian.. so I think it was her translation.. !

NYCFoodSnob

I love these fashion threads on a travel board, especially the ones associated with dining in Paris. It doesn't take much to rile certain people up and drive them batsh!t crazy with insecurity. It's a wonderful opportunity to expose certain folks for who they really are, inside and out.

Up to this point, I used one sentence to specifically speak directly to bvlenci. The pronoun <i>your</i> in, "Which kind of belies your prolific presence on crowded internet travel boards," does exactly that.

At no other time did I address a specific individual on this thread. All my comments about beauty and style were kept in general voice, speaking in general terms, about a hypothetical scenario.

I never know what to say about an internet stranger – who thinks she knows me and decides she hates me because of her interpretation of my comments on this board – who turns cheap and ugly, suggesting that I'm a pig because I have strong opinions about beauty and style. She clearly doesn't like my opinions. I hit a soft spot of hers, and who knows what to make of that? Furthermore, who cares? Here's another opinion: throwing paris into your username does not make you look better.

<i><font color=#555555>"NYFS has made it abundantly clear what she thinks of those who do not "look like George Cluny""</font></i>

I made what abundantly clear? Please show me where? Where did I speak about men who don't look like George Clooney? Here's another example of a hater projecting her BS onto me. Super ugly.

<i><font color=#555555>"and that she considers herself a knock out "</font></i>

Where did I say "knock out" on this thread? The only words "knock out" that appear in this entire thread are from your posts, sweetie.

I don't think it's much of a secret to longtime readers here that I've been working in the fashion industry for over thirty years. I work with beautiful people – I'm talking international magazine covers – all the time. Names like: Catherine, Diana, Gisele, Cindy, Linda, Naomi, Christy, and Heidi. If anyone on this board knows that beauty is only skin deep, it's me. But that doesn't mean I don't have an opinion on it, and those who possess style.

My view of beauty is realistic and analytical. I work in advertising, so it's a necessary requirement to do my job well. I also know how to play dress-up, no matter how frivolous or how serious the occasion. I've studied and learned from some of the most talented people in the business. I use what I've learned to my advantage.

I think it's important for any person, male or female, to know, accept, and love his or her assets. It's part of loving oneself and nurturing self esteem. You can't pursue acting or modeling as a career, if you're not realistic about your looks.

I've said it before and I'll say it again: The talent of having style has little to do with model-good-looks. It's true, the two together are quite powerful. Just ask Brad Pitt and Angelina Jolie. However, there have been plenty of homely women (and men) throughout history whose style dazzled. And there are plenty of pretty people who are truly mean and hateful.

Much is said on this board about packing light and carry-on only. There are certain advantages to wielding little luggage as you travel throughout Europe. Personally, I would never give up my dazzling moments in public to save a few pounds in my luggage. And I would never want to travel with a man, let alone dine in Paris with one, who didn't fully appreciate and embrace my sparkle.

traveller1959

Pigs?

I love pigs. Especially the loins.

mdinbc

Wow, thanks for all the varied and interesting responses! We will be in Paris for a few days, then in Provence/Cote d'Azure for the third week of Sept. I think the weather especially in the south will still be warm.

People seem to bash short-sleeved dress shirts, but I rather like the look! I like it better than polo shirts anyway...

I think he will forgo the jacket and bring long sleeve shirt with a fine sweater for an extra layer. I'll let him decide on the black shoes or more casual brown loafers.

justineparis

"I'm drop dead gorgeous..".. yes.. you didn't say you were a knock out.. you said "drop dead gorgeous.. " how different that is.. silly me.

Now.. explain your other doozy dear..

"most women are so afraid to be alone they'll tolerate anything"

That line reeks of a different kind of desperation.. that born of true insecurity.. I don't need a man in a designer suit to accompany somewhere.. I am perfectly happy with a kind loving man in a pair of slacks and a clean shirt.. see the price or name of his outfit.. or mine.. have no bearing on our worth.

PS .. and this is a duh.. I put Paris on the end of my screen name because I like paris.. many people do this on various forums.. and I also was born there.. so likely have just as much right to tag it on my screen name for that reason alone as many people incorporate a birthplace of place of residence in a screen name.. ( note.. you are NY food snob... so I assume you either live in NY or from there ) .. see dearie.. it has NOTHING TO DO WITH LOOKS.. something I doubt you can understand because of your obsessions.

And no.. I did not call you a pig. I trying to illustrate that being beautiful or stylish on the outside has no bearing on yours( or anyones ) inside, only the insecure would think it does. And it certainly doesn't show confidence... but insecurity.. I could walk into a party in a simple cheap shift dress and still turn heads.. doesn't need to be couture.. but you have built your life around that and that's fine for you and your type .. if you enjoy it fine.. but I hope others don't let it rule their feelings of self worth or worthiness of a mate.
I just really was offended at you pushing your judgement on women in general with your obnoxious statement about "desperate women" . Shame on you.

PS I don't hate you silly girl. .I don't know you.. I do in fact feel sorry for you though.. hard as that may be for you to understand. I save hate for racists.. child abusers, and bigots.. since you have not said anything that would lead me to believe you to be any of those things , why would I "hate" you.. omg.. just thought of something.. like that commercial or ad from long ago "don't hate me because I'm beautiful".. lol is that what you think.. oh lord you are funny.

bvlenci

I really resent the implication that my husband must be a slob because he dresses informally. Or that I must be a frump because I don't need to have people dropping dead with astonishment when they see me.

NYCFoodSnob

Justineparis, save your whiny, defensive blather for someone else. You bore me.

You conveniently took "I'm drop dead gorgeous" out of context to support your mean-spirited rant. Nice way to manipulate.

I clearly wrote, "If I'm dining at Lasserre or Ledoyen, you better believe I'm drop-dead gorgeous." That means, if someone is treating me to a $1000 dinner in a luxury palace, I for sure will take the time and energy to present myself with care. That's a far cry from bragging about my looks in any superficial manner.

NYCFoodSnob

LOL! "Slob." "Frump." More new words that I never used. LOVE these fashion threads.

justineparis

"slob" is a new word for a fashion maven????????????

justineparis

omg I bore her.. now my life is not worth living.. that and the fact that my hubby wears khakis makes me a desperately sad and pathetic figure no doubt.. lol

You don't bore me at all Nyork.. keep writing.. I need a laugh before I peel some potatoes for dinner.

mdinbc

Ok this is the husband of the original poster.

NO FIGHTING!

We just asked a question about shoes and attire.

Whathello

'I'm drop-dead gorgeous.'

As a good European I'd never go out with a creature full lof herself.

Anyway, glad to read you work in the fashion industry, you wrote once that you made so much money selling one pic (one) of yourself, I thought you were working in the porn industry. Not that there is nothing wrong with that either.

You're the tall gorgeous fluent in several languages working up businesswoman used to making quick decisions, right ?
It seems the only thing you lack is something remotely linked to some sense of humility. So I doubt you'll make a lot of friends among females here the way you write, and actually you don't seem to excite males here either.

But you're fun to read. A lot of fun. Rarely read/met somebody who thought she/he was so superior to any other human creature.

bilboburgler

OP (it could be worse you could have asked about tipping as well )

When I do wear a jacket and I have traveled by car I take a crumpled linen jacket. Because whatever you travel with it will get a bit beaten up and you might as well wear something that gets better as it gets beaten up.

Ties are for waiters.

I find that nothing is ever wrong about wearing dock shoes (no socks), canvas trousers and a cheap polo shirt (without logo), though obviously without button down collars (I'm not staff). But then I've never bought "a label" in my life. There are a few places I will not be welcome but I tend to think of Groucho Marx.

Guys chill. So many words.

Whathello

Ok, I lost sight of OP question here...
I'm in a professional meeting with six gorgeous males in their mid thirties to mid fifties.
One italian one pole one belgian three germans.
The italians are the ones with the great shoes, one german has sandal with socks - oops - two of them actually.
2 of us have a jacket on the back of a chair and my counterpart and myself have a tie in our backpack just in case.
I'm the only one with a pink long shirt, 3 of us have short sleeves. We may go to a nice restaurant tonight.
Does it help ?

Tulips

Personally I prefer long sleeved shirts for men to short sleeves. Roll up the sleeves when it's warm, it still looks better than short sleeves. Either way, anything with a collar will do for evening in restaurants.

Whathello; six drop-dead-gorgeous males? Where are you and can I join you for dinner? Although I'm not too keen on the sandal-with-socks types, even if they are gorgeous..

NYCFoodSnob

<i><font color=#555555>"People seem to bash short-sleeved dress shirts"</font></i>

Who are these people? Do you know them personally? Do you trust their fashion acumen? Bashers are ubiquitous in the blogoshpere. They're members of an imaginary club here on this board. I've been beating them away since I joined this board in 2003.

Why would any confident person consider what the bashers think? I suppose you wouldn't be asking a fashion question if you were confident.

A fashion decision can't be just about a short-sleeve shirt. There are other clothing details and body shape issues that need to be considered. Without physically seeing your man, and looking at the entire outfit you think he should pack for dinner in Paris, who in this world can offer the appropriate advice?

The right short-sleeve shirt on the right guy can make a fabulous fashion statement, in a similar way Pharrell's hat works for Pharrel. It can also be a fashion disaster.

Many women with ugly, chubby arms dare to wear short sleeves in public. The worst offenders are the women who stuff their rounded, bulbous arms into a cap sleeve. This fashion disaster is downright ugly. And some of these women work in television.

A lot of people can't tolerate the summer heat, so they'll go out in public wearing anything skimpy, as long as it keeps them cool and comfortable. Since most people have no formal training in the art of dressing, they make wrong decisions all the time.

First Lady Michelle Obama went sleeveless in winter for a State of the Union Address. She was excoriated by the haters. Personally, I'm sensitive to extreme temperatures, so I worry about too much AC in the summer if I'm sleeveless. I would never go sleeveless in the winter. However, Michelle is tall with beautiful arms and shoulders. She has an asset that she knows how to work, and those-in-the-know love it when she does.

Many metrosexuals seem to know how to work a short-sleeved shirt, elevating it to almost haute. Perhaps a Milan runway show for an Italian designer can inspire some ideas. Just make sure your man shares the same body shape of the model-style you choose.

bilboburgler

not sure you can have short sleeves on a dress shirt. If you are too hot you should change your material

Pepper_von_snoot

Coucou! Coucou!

Sweetie, when I go into a restaurant in Paris these days I am looking not to get shot at. Or blown to smithereens.

Nobody cares what you wear anymore.

Most people just want to walk down the Rue Royale without getting shanked.


Thin