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Itinerary Help- Bavria Driving tour- Munich and around for 11 days by car

Itinerary Help- Bavria Driving tour- Munich and around for 11 days by car

Mar 16th, 2013, 09:12 AM
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Itinerary Help- Bavria Driving tour- Munich and around for 11 days by car

This is my 1st message on Fodors.
We are 2 couples in our early 50s, travelling to Russia and eastern Europe.in September October 2013.
My itinerary rough itinerary is as follows.
Moscow- 4 nights
St Petersberg- 4 nights..
flt to Warsaw
Warsaw - 2 days
Krakow- 2 days (night train to Prague)
Prague- 4 days ( incl. a day trip to Cesky Krumlov) (night train to Budapest)
Budapest- 3 nights- train to Vienna
Vienna- 4 nights ( incl. a day trip to Bratislava)- Train to Salzburg
Rent a car for 6 days and drive out ( don't intend to stay in Salzburg, as we have already been there earlier)
Halstatt- 3 nights
Drive to Berchtesgaden area
Ramsau- 3 nights- Ramsau, Berchtesgaden, Koningsee
Drop the car to Salzburg
Train to Munich
Rent a car for 8 days---Drive out- Need help on the route
My wish list is scenic routes thro Bavaria- Alpine Strasse/ Romantic strasse
1. Herrenchiemsee
2. Fussen
3. Mittenwald (optional)
4. Lindau (optional)
5. Black Forest- Titisee
6. Heidelburg (optional)
7. Rothenberg
Besides +
8. Munich- Beerfest/ Dacau/ BMW & Mercedes Factories (optional)- 3 days
Fly out of Munich.
Please help me with the route from Munich, back to Munich in a loop covering most of these places.
Also let me know the places where I can stay overnight. I like to stay at one place for 2-3 nights and do day trips from there, rather than staying for 1 night in each places...
Please suggest any places I should add or delete, considering the time we have..
Please help
KishorePan is offline  
Mar 16th, 2013, 09:26 AM
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While this may not cover all of the places you mention, it is from a Fodor "guru" on Germany who is no longer with us and covers this area in great detail. Anyone planning a trip to Bavaria could benefit from Wes Fowler's knowledge.

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Mar 18th, 2013, 12:10 PM
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You can check for Alpine Strasse. You will get a map from Berchtesgaden to Lindau.. a ZigZag road. You can stay at any places on this route.
Fussen 2 nights is a good option.
You need not stay at Lindau. You can drive through. Take a Lunch break in a lake side cafe and move on to Black Forest.
You can check for King Ludwig Tour- which includes 2 castles at Fussen, 1 at Linderhof and one superb palace at Herrenchiemsee. (Better than Versailles)
Rothenburg for a night is a good choice.
You will need 3-4 nights at Munich.
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Mar 18th, 2013, 01:48 PM
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From Lindau, it it 1 1/2 hours to the gardens at Mainau. They are on the island and I think worth the trip. Love Germany's countryside. While in the past we used maps to get around, we bought a GPS on the last one and it really helped.
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Mar 18th, 2013, 03:56 PM
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Since you don'tlan to stop in Salzburg, continue on the train, or change in Salzburg to the suburban train to Freilassing, Germany. Pick up your car there. This way you avoid the sometimes quite steep cross-border drop-off charge.

From Freilassing, drive to Berchtsgaden-Ramsau via Bad Reichenhall.Visit the places you mention, including hallstatt as a day trip from there.

The prettiest part of the Deutsche Alpenstrasse is between Berchtesgaden and Reit im Winkl. Thus, I suggest you take the Alpenstrasse (B-305) to Reit im Winkl and continue on it to Prien, Chiemsee. From Reit, the routing woulkd be Unterwqoessen, Grassau, Bernau, Prien. 4km from Prien, at Stick am Chiemsee, is the boat landing form the Herrenchiemsee Palace. After your return from the Palace, backtrack some 10km to Autobahn A-8, and head west (toward Munich). After 21km you come to the Inntal Dreieck interchange (Exit#101). Head south (toward Innsbruck) on nthe Autobahn A- 93. Take it to exit #59, Oberaudorf. It's about 10km. Be on the alert. You definitely want to get off at that excit, because shortly after that the autobahn enters into Austria and you muist a Vignette autobahn toll sticker before you get onto the autobahn A-12.

At Oberaudorf you pick up again the Alpenstrasse, westbound, B-307. It takes you overvthe Tazelwurm pass (fun drive) to Bayrischzell, Schliersee, Hausham. At Hausham, leave the B-307,by turning left and following then sign to Gmund am Tegernsee. This little trime saver takes you right nback onto the B-307, which now goes south, along the Tegernbsee Lake (very pretty).Stay on the B-307 through Rottach Egern to Vorderriss. At V., the Alpenstrasse becomes for a short distance bnasrrow toll road (just a few EUR), which ends in Wallgau. In W. head south on the B-11 and B-2 to Mittenwald.

From Mittenwald backtrack on the B-2 to Garmisch - Parten kmirchen, where the B-23 takes you to the Austriajn border and the Austrian B-187 to Lermoos, and the B-314 north to Reutte and Fuessen.

I now have to quit. If all this appeals to you, let me kniow and I'll "guide" you further to Lindau, Heidelberg and Rothenburg o.T. Good nighht!
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Mar 18th, 2013, 04:02 PM
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PS, by mistake I hit the submit button before proofreading. Key typos are: Unterwoessen; Stock, not Stick am Chiemsee; "At V. the Alpenstrasse becomes for a short distance a narrow toll road"; Partenkirchen;
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Mar 18th, 2013, 11:44 PM
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If you intend to stay at Hallstat for 3 nights, A car at Salzburg for 6 days would cost you less.

You will not be paying any drop off charges at Salzburg.
If you do a loop from Munich to Munich, you will probably don't have to pay drop off charges at Munich as well.
I do not know if there is a drop off charge when you pick up a car at Freilassing, and drop at Munich. If that happens, you can start your Alpenstrasse drive from berchtesgaden. For Chiemsee, you will have to drive a bit to north.

As treplow has suggested, The prettiest part of the Deutsche Alpenstrasse is between Berchtesgaden and Reit im Winkl. You can do this part from Ramsau or in the 2nd part when you take the car to Munich.
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Mar 19th, 2013, 07:56 PM
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Before I continue with the route, a couple of additional comments. After B’gdn, consider having lunch in Reit im Winkl. 4km west of the village, just after crossing into Austria on the right side is the driveway to the Peternhof Resort. (Watch for the sign.) It has a good restaurant, with a terrace that faces the Wilde Kaiser Mountain massif.

I would then spend the first night in Prien. This will give you plenty of time to enjoy the walk from the island boat landing to the Palace, see the Palace, and – on the boat ride back – skip a boat or two at the Fraueninsel (ladies’ island) with its picturesque convent, famous for its Chiemsee Liqour. Hotels on the main land near the boat landing - - Luitpold am See, Hotel Reinhard, Sport & Golf Hotel, Yachthotel. These are listed in ascending price. The Yachthotel is quieter than the others, especially the Luitpold.

From Prien drive to Fuessen, skipping Mittenwald if you want to avoid frequent unpacking in hotels. Instead, I would spend 2 nights in Fuessen and visit Neuschwanstein in the morning after arrival. In the afternoon I would backtrack to Lermoos and in Erwald catch the cable car to the top of the Zugspitze, provided it is a clear day. If you want to add another night in Fuessen, you could do a loop drive Schloss Linderhof – Ettal – Oberammergau – Wieskirche ( a beautiful baroque church in the maedows with Fuessen mountains as the backdrop) – Fuessen. I have never stayed overnight in Fuessen, so I cannot recommend any hotels. I lived to close to it. I do know that along the shore of the Forggersee there are some nice lodgings.

Upon leaving Fuessen, head to Reutte. From there take the Austrian Route 198 for 10km to Weisasenbach. Pick up Route 199 over the Gaichtpass - Nesselwaengle – Oberjoch, where you re-enter Germany. Drive the Oberjoch pass down do Hindelang. These are easy, not “white knuckle” passes. At Hindelang, you again pick up the Alpenstrasse (B-308) to Immenstadt, Bad Oberstaufen and beyond. Eventually, you wind up at the Autobahn A- 96, coming from Munich. Take it south to Lindau (about 5km). Stay on the island for at least 2 nights. I recommend Hotel Reutemann-Seegarten right at the harbor walk and next to the attractive old part of the city. For a half-day outing take the boat to Bregenz; there walk to the Pfaender cable car and take it for a great view of Lake Constance and the Swiss alps.

If you really want to splurge, either spend a third night in Lindau and take a day trip to Frierichshafen. At the airport there take a sightseeing ride in the new Zeppelin NT. (www. http://www.fly-away.de/en/travelinfo...eeing-flights/ )Before or after the flight, visit the Zeppelin museum at the F. harbor. Very interesting and It has a decent restaurant.

If you don’t opt for the Zeppelin flight, drive from Lindau on the Friedsrishafev by-pass through to Meerbsurg. F. was completely destroyed during WWII (despite the fact that I was stationed there at the tender age of 16, manning an anti-aircraft gun.) So there really isn’t much else of historic value to see. . In Meersburg, be sure to stop for a visit to the old castle. Then take the B-31 (or the road closer to the lake paralleling it) to Ueberlingen and Stockach. Continue on the B-31 to Aach and the Autobahn A-41. Take the A-41 to Geisingen, where you get back onto the B-31 to Titisee. ( I liked nearby Hinterzarten better). No hotel recommendations.

From Titisee, take the B-500 north to Triberg, and the B-33 to Hausach. Stop at the Vogtsbauernhof open air museum. Then continue on the B-294 to Freudenstadt. Now you have another choice, take the Black Forest ridge road B-500 (Schwarzwald Hochstrasse) or the Black Forest Valleys route (Schwarzwald Thaelerstrasse) B-462. I recommend the latter because it takes you more through B.F. towns and villages. The road eventually takes you to the Autobahn A-5 north and on it to the Heidelberg turnoff. Spend the night in Heidelberg. There are all sorts of hotels in Heidelberg. I stayed at the Hotel Europaeischer Hof (on business expense!). The Holiday Crown Plaza is in the center of town.
From Heidelberg follow the B-37 road along the Neckar River; it’s part of the “Castle Route” (Burgenstrasse. The B-37 becomes the B-27. Take it to the Autobahn A-6, eastbound. At the interchange of the A-6 with the A-7, head north for 20km to the exit #108 for Rothenburg. I usually don’t stay in R., but 25km northeast of the town in Bad Windsheim. Fewer tourists and, because it is a spa, wider choice of reasonable hotels.

From Rothenburg to Munich, head south on the A-7 back to the A-6 interchange and go east. To avoid the Nuernberg traffic, get off at exit #53, (Lichtenau) and follow the nice country road to Windsbach, Abenberg, Roth, Allersberg, where you pick up the Autobahn A-9, heading south to Munich. The large fields with the rows of telephone poles you see in that region is where they grow the hops that Bavarian beer is famous for.

A rough guide: I figure 70km/h driving tome on “B” roads, 120km/h on Autobahns. No allowance made for stops or traffic jams. Of the above itinerary, the trips Lindau - Titisee and Titisee – Heidelberg will be your longest.

I don’t know where home is for you, but I have found Gemut in Seattle a good place to arrange for rental cars for Germany at reasonable rates. (www.gemut.com). You will get a car from the big companies, like Hertz, Avuis or National Stay clear of Dollar, Thrifty and Terstappen in Germany. Re: Car ppickup in Freilassing. There won’t be any major drop-off charge if the car is returned in Munich.
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Mar 20th, 2013, 08:28 AM
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KishorePan, You have got a gem of an advice. Absolutely invaluable. "treplow" is not only a war veteran, but also a veteran in art of travelling and knows the routes like the lines on his palm. This thread can go in "Hall of fame" for this route advice. I wish I had got this advice when I went to Bavaria. Looks like I will have to visit again to do a part of it. Bookmarking it.

I wish there were some more references sites from the 3rd Reich. I have been to Berchtesgaden, Obersalzburg Eagles nest and Documentation Centre. Dacau in Munich and 3rd Reich tour in Berlin. Camps in Aushwitz and Linz too.

After Ramsau, you can also make a base in a scenic location like Schliersee/ Bad Tolz or Gmund Tengemsee for 3- 4 nights and make day trips to Chiemsee, Garmisch, Oberamagau, Linderhoff and Fussen, Schwangau. This may reduce your packing trouble and give you a sense of home in Bavaria.
From there you can either make Lindau or Titisee as your base for 2 nights. Mainau island would be interesting but don't know how it would be in October.
Zugspitz also would be difficult in October.

Experts on Fodors will be able to shape your itinerary in a better way.
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Mar 20th, 2013, 09:49 AM
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KishorePan, As I see, you have many lakes in your itinerary. You are already staying at Halstatt, and near Koningsee, plus Lindau etc. I do not know if Titisee will offer something better. It is surely a tourist trap with the Drubba Clocks. But you ma have a "Deja-vu" feeling, seeing similar lake side scenery. I haven't been to black forest so can't say for sure.
Also check on this amazing "Hohenzollern Castle" which you can cover on the way from Lindau or Titisee to Heidelberg.
Stay at Heidelberg at least for 1 night. Pretty university town with a fairytale castle.
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Apr 9th, 2013, 04:51 AM
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Thanks all of you for all the help.
Was out of town on work and couldn't get back to vacation planning.
Have done a bit of study and am thinking of the route and places to stay.
My itinerary is as follows.
Rent a car at Salzburg on 10th Oct
10th-12th oct- Hallstat
13-14 oct- Ramsau (Konongsee, Berchtesgaden, Ramsau)
15-16 Oct- ??? Don't know where to stay. Want to see HerrenChiemsee on the way.. or stay at Prien am Chiemsee.. Should I stay at Bad Tolz or some place half way between Ramsau and Fussen? Please suggest a scenic place from where I can see nice places around

17-18th Oct- Fussen (Schwangau Castles and Fussen town)

19-20th Oct- Lindau (Any suggestions for places on the way)

21 OCT- drive to Munich and return the car

21-22-23 OCT- Munich ( Munich city, Dacau, BMW, Beer Hall- what else?)

I had too many things in mind, including Black forest, Heidelburg, Rothenburg and many more. But have realised that I am trying to pack too many things in too little time. So want to see the best and utilise my time in the best of the places.
I have a route map of Alpenstrasse, which I intend to follow.
Please comment and help...
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Apr 10th, 2013, 09:11 AM
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Kishore, Your itinerary looks compact now. Bavaria is small yet it can take more than a month to cover it. I think you will get the best of Alpine strasse. Make sure you see Linderhof Palace on the way from Priene am Chiemsee to Fussen.
Best luck
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Apr 10th, 2013, 11:51 AM
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For 15-16 Oct- Try Garmisch or Mittenwald... Be sure the car rental has the vignette for Austria. If you want to circumvent the cross border drop fee for the rental car, which looks to be on the order of $300 US, try to get to Germany to rent the car. Freilassing is just over the border from Salzburg.

Have a great trip...
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