Is it wrong to skip Venice?

Old Jul 20th, 2003, 08:14 PM
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Is it wrong to skip Venice?

I have been reviewing a multitude of escorted tours (see below for WHY I am taking escorted tour) and am overwhelmed.

My father just retired and really wants to see Paris and he does not know what else, but is happy to do a "whirlwind" tour to see some of the sights. We both love cities but I need to have some natural beauty (waterfalls, lakes etc....) thrown in to the mix.

I have never seen Venice and have the feeling that I MUST include this, but I also want to see Paris and would like my dad to see the Cotswolds (planning to add a London day so we can daytrip out there), and for some reason I want to see Amsterdam.

If it comes down to it, would you cut Amsterdam and the Rhine or Venice? We are doing this trip in approx. 14-15 days.

The reason I am looking at Globus, Insight etc....is my stepmother is also coming along, and nothing will please this woman so I would rather blame the tour and tour guide when she get bored.

She was bored in Alaska and made my dad cut his trip short after 4 days! I could spend a month their just hiking......sigh.

Also I think we will be off season maybe mid-March next year.
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Old Jul 20th, 2003, 09:22 PM
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I don't think that it's 'wrong' per se, but I certainly wouldn't skip Venice, it's a wonderful magical place. I've never been to Amsterdan or the Rhine, so I can't compare them to Venice, but I can tell you Venice is definitely worth seeing!
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Old Jul 20th, 2003, 09:35 PM
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There is no place like Venice, every corner made us open our mouths in awe. If you have a chance to go, go you will not regret it.
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Old Jul 21st, 2003, 01:31 AM
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While I agree that Venice is magical and a wonderful experience you're already headed for disaster when you even start THINKING that to "skip" a place is "wrong." You've never been there---yet..you probably haven't been to a lot of places---yet. Sounds as if you've got plenty to see already and rather doing a "whirlwind" I'd concentrate on a few and save Vencie for another day. OR, do you want to come home feeling guilty that the trip turned out to be all about YOU?
Venice will be there and so will you...save it for a time when you can spend several days. Enjoy your trip!
 
Old Jul 21st, 2003, 02:18 AM
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YOU MUST INCLUDE VENEZIA!!!
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Old Jul 21st, 2003, 02:31 AM
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I think you have to look at a few factors.

Who is this trip for? You, your dad or his wife.

Also, at what stage of travel are you in? Start, middle, end? When will you have a chance (if ever) to see what you have missed and really want to see?

Then decide.

On our first trip that included Italy we went from Switzerland straight thru Florence to Rome. To stop in Venice on the way back required an extra day and we didn't have it. Venice waited many years and we've been there twice. It's definitely worth the trip but I'm not sure it's at the top of my list.
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Old Jul 21st, 2003, 02:51 AM
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Can you have the stepmother detained by the police on some minor charge while you and Dad are off having a great time?

Barring that - keep it simple and focused in one gerneral area: London (with daytrips), Amsterdam and Paris. You get Amsterdam and Dad gets Paris. Stepmom goes long for the ride.

Two weeks is enough time to do these three. Adding more cities/regions and greater travel distances will turn the trip into a whirlwind and add too much stress.

 
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Hi Myst,

I know how difficult traveling with difficult people can be! I hope you enjoy yourself on this trip, no matter what you decide. Remember, in the end, that you are all adults and responsible for your own happiness, so no guilt regarding your stepmother!

Anyway, Venice is lovely and romantic. I'd say that your stepmother would probably ruin it for you, and you should plan a separate trip to Italy without the parents sometime in your future!

If you and your Dad both love cities, Amsterdam is certainly a worthy choice!

Good luck either way,
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Old Jul 21st, 2003, 04:45 AM
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Your stepmum should not be demeaned because she was bored in Alaska! Maybe she likes cities. Maybe YOU want natural beauty but maybe she prefers something else. Your idea of a month hiking in Alaska is nothing I would want to do, either.

Your dad wants to see Paris, so spent your 14 days in Paris, London and the Cotswolds.

See the other places on your own with someone who shares your travel tastes.

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Old Jul 21st, 2003, 04:54 AM
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Hi, maybe you could list the stops of the tour you're considering for us? I think I would lean toward Venice instead of Amsterdam. Can you include the Rhine with Venice or is it packaged w/Amsterdam? If scenery is important to you, will someplace in Switzerland be a stopover? J.
 
Old Jul 21st, 2003, 05:06 AM
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Hi Myst,

I would reconsider the whirlwind tour unless the is the last trip you and your Dad will take together.

You have listed Paris, Cotswolds, London, Amsterdam, a Rhine cruise, and Venice.

Venice is some distance from London. It takes time to get from place to place. You will be spending a lot of time in airports and train stations.

I suggest that you do London and Paris, with daytrips, and let the other places go for another time.
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Old Jul 21st, 2003, 05:23 AM
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Venice is one of those cities that brings about strong emotions; people either love it or hate it. I love Venice; my mother HATES it. She thinks is smells like a sewer and it is outrageously expensive. I would say to at least SEE Venice. You don't have to stay a week, but one or two days. I think even your step-mother could deal with that.
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Old Jul 21st, 2003, 07:47 AM
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If 3 people are travelling, each should ideally have a say in where to go. Your Dad has picked Paris. Your Stepmom has picked??? YOU have picked? Does that answer the ?
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Old Jul 21st, 2003, 09:05 AM
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You will burn in hell if you skip Venice!!!!
Just kidding.
Just like most responses above, Venice is most definitely one-of-a-kind city. "Magical" always comes to mind when I think of Venice.
Enjoy your trip.
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Old Jul 21st, 2003, 10:06 AM
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My very first Europe trip was a Trafalgar tour for 17 days, this itinerary:
London, Brussels, Cologne, Rhine area/cruise, Shaufhausen (sp!) Falls, Lucerne, Venice, Rome, Florence, Pisa, Nice, Monaco, Lyon, Paris.
Some of those were just stop-overs during the day, maybe a lunch + 1-2 hours to have a look around.
Now - that's a LOT of territory to cover, but I loved it and saw enough to get an idea or feel for each place. Certainly not enough time to relax and absorp, or even to 'see it all', but a wonderful overview.
It shouldn't be too hard to pick one or two tours that cover your listed cities, especially if Venice is the only Italian (southernmost) city, for a 14-15 day span.
The question is, will your parents enjoy the pace and the variety? If not, then you need to scale back to the 3-4 cities/areas that are within the smallest circle. Less change of hotels (repacking), more time for daytrips.
Show them the itineraries and let them choose (make the choice their responsibility).
You may be able to achieve your wish for 'natural' beauty via some daytrips, or it may happen simply because of the drive between.
Temperatures in March will be quite chilly and frequently damp. I've been in Amsterdam & Paris in March - Amsterdam never topped 50d.F; had to go buy a hat to keep warmer. Flowers aren't really blooming yet in the gardens or parks. For a first-time trip, I'd try to go mid-April to mid-May, when it is more pleasant but still less crowding - tour prices will probably be in the midrange, but you'll enjoy it more.
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Old Jul 21st, 2003, 10:08 AM
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I love Venice, but did not get there until my third trip to Italy because it did not fit into my itineraries. For an independent trip of only 2 weeks, unless you were to do *only* Paris and Venice, I think you might need to skip it.

If you instead decide to do a group tour which includes both cities and one or two others, you can certainly manage it. Your itinerary will then be determined by the tour company. The very nature of those "whirlwind" trips is that you'll get a little taste of each location that will leave you wanting more. With any luck, you'll be able to return to see your favorites in depth another time.

When researching tour companies, make sure to check out how much time you'll be spending on a bus each day, and hotel locations. These are the two factors that seem to be the most common source of complaints.
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Old Jul 21st, 2003, 10:23 AM
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i think you have way too much for 14 days....one day in the cotswolds is not enough either...2-3 would be perfect...i think venice is important but not for this trip ---make it part of an all italy trip in the future...i'm spending a week there next winter without leaving the city at all....
concentrate on northern europe...do some london 2-3 days, 2-3 days in the cotswolds...2 days in amsterdan and the rest in germany along the rivers...

these are my suggestions....keep it simple
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Old Jul 21st, 2003, 01:52 PM
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You could easily do london and country side for 3-4 nights...stay over in Bruges(1 night) on your way to Amsterdam (3 nights)go down the Rhine (by boat? 2 nights) then go to Paris for 4-5 nights. You might want to look into flying into one city and out of another. You could do this all by train and then take city tours when you are in the cities or excursions to the country side. Maybe you need to get your stepmother involved in the planning so she will have more invested in making the trip successful.That way you take into account also what she would like to do.
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Old Jul 21st, 2003, 08:46 PM
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This trip is not about me. It is for my dad. I am taking him and his wife as gift as they cannot afford this themselves, and I cannot afford to take three people to Europe every year.

So this is likely his only trip to Europe (health and finances) and though I would like the tour to remain somewhat leisurely for our sanity, his comments seem to imply he would not mind a faster pace if he can see more and I do not want to deprive him of something people seem to think is "once in a lifetime experience".

I know he would like the Cotswolds because he loved my pictures from my visit. We also spent my childhood hiking and camping in places like Yosemite and Yellowstone and he is a real nature lover.

So when I say "I think I should see" I mean I think "he should see".

If I had my druthers, I would have a train pass, 30-days to explore, a backpack, and limit myself to no more than two countries.

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Old Jul 21st, 2003, 08:56 PM
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For those that think I am being unfair to the stepmother. She does not really want to go at all. She has no specific interest in any country. She has been asked. She is not interested in cities, art, or nature. She does not like to do anything "expensive" and thinks it is a waste of money to travel. But my dad of course is not going to leave her behind.

She did ask me to make sure the travel plans did not conflict with a planned company dinner where she was expecting to get a perfect attendance award (department store).

And, to repeat, this will likely be my dad's only trip to Europe (though I hope we also get to Hawaii this fall).

We will definitley do Paris and London and I think a package that includes Lucerne and Amsterdam might keep the pace reasonable (at least according to the brochure). I am not used to doing a packaged anything.

And hey I hike, but I also love NYC and am very flexible, just trying to please the elders the best I can......

I cashed in my stock options for this!
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