Illegal vacation apts. in Paris

May 21st, 2015, 01:05 PM
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Thanks Kerouac. That's an interesting article on Rue89:

It would be great if you would post links to further articles.
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May 21st, 2015, 01:17 PM
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not much different, but a little more description of how they do it

more of the same
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May 21st, 2015, 02:35 PM
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What happens to the renters staying in the raided apartment ? Are they kicked out ?
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May 21st, 2015, 06:16 PM
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That link has nothing to do w/ owner rented apartments. It is about Citadines/aparthotels which are hotels configured as flats/suites. They collect taxes and are run like any other hotel.
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May 21st, 2015, 10:38 PM
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What happens to the renters staying in the raided apartment ? Are they kicked out ?

The renters are told that they are not concerned by the operation, just the owners. However, I am sure that it must shake them up and probably rather spoils their vacation.
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May 22nd, 2015, 01:57 AM
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the inspectors netted 30 infractions, a VERY small percentage of the thousands of rentals available.

If it´s 30 per day, 90 for the 3 day sweep, another 90 for the Montmartre crackdown and another 90 for the St Germaine operation, both of which apparently have been planned; that´s a lot of vacation rentals being quickly removed from the market.

Withdrawing hundreds of apartments will affect scores of people each week who thought they had arranged for accommodations for their upcoming vacations and will find that those accommodations are no longer available. Multiply these numbers by the weeks of the summer vacation season and the potential number of displaced visitors could be very sizable.

The impact that closing even a few hundred of the thousands of available apartments could have significant consequences as more and more potential renters will question the validity of their own rental plans.

It is very likely that the moves heretofore taken by the Mayor´s task force, as seemingly as such a a VERY small percentage of the thousands of rentals available might be, it could have an major effect in changing the current vacation rental landscape.
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May 22nd, 2015, 07:59 AM
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I'd like to think that we all own good old fodors.

For my own future travel past an upcoming week, I'd just as soon stay elsewhere in France anyway and not feel that my tourist self is displacing -- not to mention annoying -- the natives.
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May 22nd, 2015, 10:09 AM
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It's the taking over of apartments that is annoying, prices going up and housing stock being removed due to the lucrative business of renting to vacationers. Not to mention loss of tax revenue.

There are some other places than Citadines, also, with kitchens, but a lot of people who do this aren't doing it for the kitchen. It's cheaper for more space (even if sometimes not so luxurious space) and there is that weird mystique alluded to above, I can't tell you how many times I've read people bragging about how "they feel like Parisians." This from people who can barely speak a word of French and haven't bothered to study the language, even when returning to France repeatedly. It is a very curious thing, but it's the superficial thing about French fashion etc as to why they think feeling like a local is so special to them and will impress others.

For example, I have never read that type of thing from people looking to rent a vacation apartment in the UK or Germany, that they feel like a local German and that's what they want.
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May 22nd, 2015, 10:16 AM
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Actually, hotels with kitchen facilities (other than Citadines and Adagio and a few other chains) are quite rare in Paris, so I have always been intrigued by the Hôtel Rhin et Danube in the beautiful Mouzaïa area of the 19th arrondissement. It is a traditional old hotel with kitchenettes. I keep hoping that somebody from this site will finally test it.
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May 22nd, 2015, 12:23 PM
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That looks promising, Kerouac. The markets in that area would offer relative bargains, too. It appears that the only way to get more information is to call the hotel.

I share annoyance at tourists' failing to learn French, but delusions don't hurt anyone. Housing-stock-loss blame falls in the lap of the landlords and non-enforcement of laws.
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May 25th, 2015, 01:10 AM
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because there are still a lot of tourists who have no clue that this is going on - and is on-going.
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May 29th, 2015, 12:20 PM
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I don´t have the final tally on the crackdown on vacation apartments in the Marais but the Mayor´s task force has called for more raids, this time in the Latin Quarter and Montmartre.

Anyone with vacation rentals in these areas over the upcoming months should watch the situation closely and maintain communications with landlords for any change in the status of their rental apartments.
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May 29th, 2015, 02:08 PM
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I find very intellignet to request agencies to get the 'taxe de séjour'.
Of course, collceting this tax will give french authorities with full listings giving per appartemnt the number of nights the appartment has been rented.
I'm sure fiscal department will cross this info with tax declarations of the owners...
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May 29th, 2015, 03:01 PM
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I'm in Paris now and have seen huge Airbnb ads on the Metro platforms. Go figure.
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May 29th, 2015, 09:40 PM
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That's not the least bit surprising. Most of the people on the metro are locals, so they are thinking of renting from Airbnb on the other side of the planet, not in Paris.
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May 29th, 2015, 11:50 PM
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There's a building down the block from mine that's known as "AirBnB Paradise" - mostly catering to Brazilian tourists, for some reason. There are only 20 apartments in the whole building, and 9 of them were raided during the first sweep.

Of course, nobody was thrown out into the street, but it's likely that some of these apartments will be on the market very soon, since nobody actually lives in them.
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May 1st, 2016, 06:46 AM
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The Airbnb ads are as much an attempt by Airbnb to entice residents to list their apartments while they are on vacation (legal rentals) as they are to attract those looking for apartments.
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May 1st, 2016, 11:37 AM
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It's important to point out that things are changing for a good reason - and changing more quickly than many of you realize, if you do not live in Paris.

Fines have quadrupled to 100,000 euros per day. There are more agents assigned to investigating apartments, and the visits are continuing. There are more convictions, though it takes more time to contact absentee owners. Many properties have already been removed from the market. If you have booked an apartment for the near future, you should stay in contact with the agency or person you rented from, and it would be a good idea to have a backup plan.

It wasn't too very long ago that people went on safaris to shoot and kill animals. It took a lot of legislation and effort on the part of people who were interested in the animals' quality of life to make people realize that they could be just as happy shooting a photo or movies of the same animals.

The residents of Paris can be compared to an endangered species, now. As kerouac pointed out above, there are not too many of us left. People fall in love with the idea of renting charming apartments - which are often anything but that - but the idea used to be enjoying the journey and getting your fill of the charm that Paris and its residents provide.
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Finally some good news from Airbnb:
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