I never care about "must sees."
Apr 18th, 2016, 05:32 AM
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"If you've never visited an art museum in your home country, why would you do so when on holiday?"
Because there's no art in my home town (or state) which compares even remotely to what's in Paris.
Because there's no art in my home town (or state) which compares even remotely to what's in Paris.
Apr 18th, 2016, 06:15 AM
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If you've never visited an art museum in your home country, why would you do so when on holiday?
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Yes, we visit art museums in our home country. In fact last December we went to Boston to see a special exhibition at the Gardner.
And my wife and one SIL get permission in our city to draw and paint at a major museum.
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If someone is going to leave a board, can't they do it silently instead of dramatically exiting stage right.
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Yes, we visit art museums in our home country. In fact last December we went to Boston to see a special exhibition at the Gardner.
And my wife and one SIL get permission in our city to draw and paint at a major museum.
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If someone is going to leave a board, can't they do it silently instead of dramatically exiting stage right.
Apr 18th, 2016, 06:28 AM
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>> If someone is going to leave a board, can't they do it silently instead of dramatically exiting stage right.<<
OP will return. Sooner or later. Maybe under a different screen name. Like our special Fodorite who announced to leave the forum with great fanfare but still posts daily on every thread that is tagged with Italy.
BTW, OP got a lot of support, also from myself. Kind of thin-skinned or having a bad day.
OP will return. Sooner or later. Maybe under a different screen name. Like our special Fodorite who announced to leave the forum with great fanfare but still posts daily on every thread that is tagged with Italy.
BTW, OP got a lot of support, also from myself. Kind of thin-skinned or having a bad day.
Apr 18th, 2016, 06:49 AM
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i know someone whose wife dragged him to the Rodin museum in Paris. Having never been a museum guy, he got hooked and now has learned a tremendous amount about art and travels with sculpture as a focus.
There are good reasons to visit places when traveling g that are outside ones sphere. A person could certainly become a history buff by visiting Roman sights , I expect.
There are good reasons to visit places when traveling g that are outside ones sphere. A person could certainly become a history buff by visiting Roman sights , I expect.
Apr 18th, 2016, 07:05 AM
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"wantgelato on Apr 17, 16 at 4:09am
Everyone's "must sees" are different"
I agree. And also "must dos". For example, I've been going to Paris regularly since the 1970s and have never been up the Eiffel Tower as it's not on my "must do" list. I also haven't been to Napoleon's Tomb. I've probably also not done several, "must see" or "must do" things in Paris and other places around the world and I'm fine with it. I probably haven't done some "Must See" or "Must Do" things right here at home in my city of Los Angeles. So be it.
When I'm on vacation, I do what I want to do although I'll take other people's recommendations, but it doesn't guarantee that I'll actually do them. Many times I'll just pop into odd places, that might not be of my general interest, but to try something new and a bit off the beaten path. I do this especially quite a bit in S.E. Asia.
Happy Travels!
Everyone's "must sees" are different"
I agree. And also "must dos". For example, I've been going to Paris regularly since the 1970s and have never been up the Eiffel Tower as it's not on my "must do" list. I also haven't been to Napoleon's Tomb. I've probably also not done several, "must see" or "must do" things in Paris and other places around the world and I'm fine with it. I probably haven't done some "Must See" or "Must Do" things right here at home in my city of Los Angeles. So be it.
When I'm on vacation, I do what I want to do although I'll take other people's recommendations, but it doesn't guarantee that I'll actually do them. Many times I'll just pop into odd places, that might not be of my general interest, but to try something new and a bit off the beaten path. I do this especially quite a bit in S.E. Asia.
Happy Travels!
Apr 18th, 2016, 07:32 AM
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<One should not plan a trip on the basis of worry and fear.>
Surely this is the only worthwhile lesson of this entire thread!
I also think that saying "I have been to X a thousand times and have never this-or-that" misses the point.
Anxiety over skipping something defined as a must-see strikes people who expect to go to a place only once. It is therefore understandable that they would worry about maximizing the value of their trip. Add in being an inexperienced traveler, and you have a recipe for what the younguns call FOMO: fear of missing out. Perfectly natural.
How to address this fear? Seek advice from guidebooks and travel boards. How ironic that here, of all places, there's a group of people advocating not taking advice!
Surely this is the only worthwhile lesson of this entire thread!
I also think that saying "I have been to X a thousand times and have never this-or-that" misses the point.
Anxiety over skipping something defined as a must-see strikes people who expect to go to a place only once. It is therefore understandable that they would worry about maximizing the value of their trip. Add in being an inexperienced traveler, and you have a recipe for what the younguns call FOMO: fear of missing out. Perfectly natural.
How to address this fear? Seek advice from guidebooks and travel boards. How ironic that here, of all places, there's a group of people advocating not taking advice!
Apr 18th, 2016, 07:35 AM
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>> have never been up the Eiffel Tower as it's not on my "must do" list <<
It was not before my fourth trip to New York City that I walked across Brooklyn Bridge. It had not been on my list until my father wanted to walk it. And I am glad, he did, because it was a most memorable experience and I made fantastic photos from the bridge. And I also found seeing large numbers of orthodox Jewish families walking the bridge on that Sunday afternoon quite impressive.
Maybe it is the same with the Eiffel Tower. The view alone is not worth the effort of queuing up, also because there are other viewpoints (e.g. Tour Montparnasse), but the experience of gliding in a cage-like elevator inside a steel construction was overwhelming.
Brooklyn Bridge and Eiffel Tower were for me a bit like the Rodin Museum for Jubilada's friends husband. So, most main attractions are named "main" with reason.
However, this is totally untrue for anything that is recommended in cruise excursion booklets!
It was not before my fourth trip to New York City that I walked across Brooklyn Bridge. It had not been on my list until my father wanted to walk it. And I am glad, he did, because it was a most memorable experience and I made fantastic photos from the bridge. And I also found seeing large numbers of orthodox Jewish families walking the bridge on that Sunday afternoon quite impressive.
Maybe it is the same with the Eiffel Tower. The view alone is not worth the effort of queuing up, also because there are other viewpoints (e.g. Tour Montparnasse), but the experience of gliding in a cage-like elevator inside a steel construction was overwhelming.
Brooklyn Bridge and Eiffel Tower were for me a bit like the Rodin Museum for Jubilada's friends husband. So, most main attractions are named "main" with reason.
However, this is totally untrue for anything that is recommended in cruise excursion booklets!
Apr 18th, 2016, 07:53 AM
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Traveler1959, I'm curious, why were "large numbers of orthodox Jewish families" walking across the bridge? I suppose the answer could be "why not?" but is there another particular reason, do you know?
Apr 18th, 2016, 08:35 AM
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MmePerdu, this was the only place on earth besides Jerusalem where I ever saw orthodox Jews in their traditional dresses and with payots. You may call it "voyeurist", but for many tourists it is a major aspect of travelling to discover places where people dress in "exotic" ways, like Bavarians in Lederhosen and Dirndl, Masai in orange blankets or Amish people in their traditional dresses. I hope, it is an innocent curiosity.
Apr 18th, 2016, 08:40 AM
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Traveler 1959, I mistook your mention as describing something that was happening on that particular day. As I understand you now, it's an everyday occurrence? Mine also is innocent curiosity, have no fear.
Apr 18th, 2016, 08:45 AM
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It was a Sunday afternoon in April, with bright sunshine and some warmth, and the families were just enjoying afternoon strolls across the bridge from Brooklyn, which is a neighbourhood where many orthodox Jews live. So, I assume, you see them every weekend, when the weather is good.
Apr 18th, 2016, 08:59 AM
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I did know about the Jewish community in Brooklyn, 2 of my gg grandparents are in Washington Cemetery there. And living friends, not in the cemetery. But who would think of what you describe? One wouldn't without being there and I love the imagery. The never-ending surprises when traveling!
Apr 18th, 2016, 09:15 AM
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You probably walked the Williamsburg Bridge, as there remnants of a Hasidic community there.
The Brooklyn Bridge, more commonly walked by NY'ers and visitors alike, usually doesn't have that many ultra-orthodox Jews.
In the 1950's there were approximately 920,000 Jews in Brooklyn with a total of 2.5 for the all of NYC.
Today there are about 525,000 Jews in Brooklyn with the ultra-Orthodox living primarily in Boro Park, Flatbush, and Midwood, a pretty long to the Williamsburg Bridge especially with kids.
The Brooklyn Bridge, more commonly walked by NY'ers and visitors alike, usually doesn't have that many ultra-orthodox Jews.
In the 1950's there were approximately 920,000 Jews in Brooklyn with a total of 2.5 for the all of NYC.
Today there are about 525,000 Jews in Brooklyn with the ultra-Orthodox living primarily in Boro Park, Flatbush, and Midwood, a pretty long to the Williamsburg Bridge especially with kids.
Apr 18th, 2016, 09:42 AM
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DH and I also enjoyed the types of amazing discoveries you describe, newtome. And yet we also fell into the category NewbE described; FOMO--not knowing we'd be lucky enough to return one day.
Isabel's "Balance. Compromise. Perspective." resonates for me.
My immense interest in art would make not visiting every gallery possible a huge frustration.
To each shis* own, eh?
*my 'she/his' new word.
Isabel's "Balance. Compromise. Perspective." resonates for me.
My immense interest in art would make not visiting every gallery possible a huge frustration.
To each shis* own, eh?
*my 'she/his' new word.
Apr 18th, 2016, 09:46 AM
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I see Orthodox jews on the street lots of times where I live near Washington DC, I would think any place that had an Orthodox community, you'd see them walking at certain times (Sabbath, because they can't drive) in order to get to/from services, if nothing else.
I think the term "must see" is used more on Fodors than you'll see it in American guidebooks, but they have similar phrases in other languages in guidebooks and on tourism websites. In French, they use the words "incontournables" or "immanquables" for the top sights or things you shouldn't miss in guidebooks and on websites. "must-see" is just an easy way to say that. I think guidebooks usually refer to "top sites" or "best sites" or "top 10 sites", "editor's picks" or something like that. Rough Guides lists "things not to miss". Just as dictatorial as "must see". I do think articles in the travel section may use the phrase "must see" in English, though, sounds familiar.
I don't see anything wrong about the OP's title, I figured the post would be about what it was, actually. It was not "stupid." I wish people would stop trying to insult others on this board by always remarking about how "they must be a troll", which is said about many posts from newbies, for example, just because they may ask something simple or that experienced travelers would know.
I think the term "must see" is used more on Fodors than you'll see it in American guidebooks, but they have similar phrases in other languages in guidebooks and on tourism websites. In French, they use the words "incontournables" or "immanquables" for the top sights or things you shouldn't miss in guidebooks and on websites. "must-see" is just an easy way to say that. I think guidebooks usually refer to "top sites" or "best sites" or "top 10 sites", "editor's picks" or something like that. Rough Guides lists "things not to miss". Just as dictatorial as "must see". I do think articles in the travel section may use the phrase "must see" in English, though, sounds familiar.
I don't see anything wrong about the OP's title, I figured the post would be about what it was, actually. It was not "stupid." I wish people would stop trying to insult others on this board by always remarking about how "they must be a troll", which is said about many posts from newbies, for example, just because they may ask something simple or that experienced travelers would know.
