Huge UFO Sightings in England
Aug 14th, 2007, 07:25 AM
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My one-armed friend who sent me the OP replies to my comment about UFOs having to be natural causes:
"So UFO's are from "natural causes" but we "haven't detected" yet what it is? Come on here!
When a craft is seen landing, and little guys scamper out of the vehicle, pick up soil samples, then quickly depart leaving imprints in the soil----you're calling this a 'NATURAL CAUSE"? This is a LANDING TRACE case and there are over 4,000 cases on record. The NATURAL CAUSE in the above case is not something that we "haven't detected." Rather it's most likely a visit by beings that come from another star system.
Will be forwarding your comments to UFO followers around the world---we like a good belly laugh from time to time."
"So UFO's are from "natural causes" but we "haven't detected" yet what it is? Come on here!
When a craft is seen landing, and little guys scamper out of the vehicle, pick up soil samples, then quickly depart leaving imprints in the soil----you're calling this a 'NATURAL CAUSE"? This is a LANDING TRACE case and there are over 4,000 cases on record. The NATURAL CAUSE in the above case is not something that we "haven't detected." Rather it's most likely a visit by beings that come from another star system.
Will be forwarding your comments to UFO followers around the world---we like a good belly laugh from time to time."
Aug 14th, 2007, 07:39 AM
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Bob, are all your mates mentalists?
Ask your pal the following:
Does he think Einstein was right with E=MC2? If so can he explain why these UFOs are spending decades to get here and then hiding (not very well as they are seen, usually by inbreeds on deserted farms). It would be like paddling to Australia and hiding up a tree.
Can he explain why the "Grey" type alien is a realtively recent phenomenon - previously aliens were described in all sorts of ways, now it's just the greys.
Can he explain why aliens seem to be obsessed with sticking things up people's bums?
Does he think it's a coincidence that most "flaps" happen in areas of military activity (Rosewell was the air force base of the squadron that dropped the A Bomb on Japan - not a lot of people know that)
It would be nice for there to be aliens - but we are, effectively, alone. Unless Einstein seriously screwed up his sums.
Ask your pal the following:
Does he think Einstein was right with E=MC2? If so can he explain why these UFOs are spending decades to get here and then hiding (not very well as they are seen, usually by inbreeds on deserted farms). It would be like paddling to Australia and hiding up a tree.
Can he explain why the "Grey" type alien is a realtively recent phenomenon - previously aliens were described in all sorts of ways, now it's just the greys.
Can he explain why aliens seem to be obsessed with sticking things up people's bums?
Does he think it's a coincidence that most "flaps" happen in areas of military activity (Rosewell was the air force base of the squadron that dropped the A Bomb on Japan - not a lot of people know that)
It would be nice for there to be aliens - but we are, effectively, alone. Unless Einstein seriously screwed up his sums.
Aug 14th, 2007, 07:41 AM
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I saw a big ball of light in an evening sky as a teenager(no not the sun going down!). I don't believe in UFOs though. I wanted to go nearer to try and find out what it was but my friends were scared and wouldn't let me. They'd seen it on previous evenings and told me about but I'd thought they were pulling my leg. I still wonder what it actually was. They were convinced it was a UFO - I'm more sceptical!
Aug 16th, 2007, 12:18 AM
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Palen, I wouldn't have bothered with writing anything on here just for the fun of it.. my time is more valuable than that! I simply asked because it is what I saw! No there were no reportings of it from anyone else via media, I just wondered what it was! It did not look like a plane or helicopter and there were three in the air, not directly by one another but in an upside down V shape flying one after the other. They were round to oblong from what I could tell. It was just a strange sighting that I saw and wondered if anyone else had seen something similar from this area and could explain it.
Aug 16th, 2007, 06:09 AM
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loopygrl - my apolgies but, not knowing you, it would not be surprising for someone to fool around with this topic - indeed i may have on a similar post.
I do believe you saw what you saw and many folks who are not UFO 'nuts' report seeing similar unexplained phenomena, which i sincerely believe must be due to nature phenonmenon.
If there were UFOs capable of coming such a long distance - like audere's public school calculations show (and i don't believe they're hiding in Mars!) they would have little reason to be so cloak and dagger at least for so long.
Indeed their technology would be so advanced they could just announce their presence, say 'take me to your leader' (Wow - W in the U.S. - they'd think we're Neandrathals!) and say if anyone messes with us we'll blow your planet up in a flash.
They have no reason to hide.
Like audere says weather balloons have been reported to imitate weird movements i don't know what you saw - it was a UFO but not an aline craft IMO
I do believe you saw what you saw and many folks who are not UFO 'nuts' report seeing similar unexplained phenomena, which i sincerely believe must be due to nature phenonmenon.
If there were UFOs capable of coming such a long distance - like audere's public school calculations show (and i don't believe they're hiding in Mars!) they would have little reason to be so cloak and dagger at least for so long.
Indeed their technology would be so advanced they could just announce their presence, say 'take me to your leader' (Wow - W in the U.S. - they'd think we're Neandrathals!) and say if anyone messes with us we'll blow your planet up in a flash.
They have no reason to hide.
Like audere says weather balloons have been reported to imitate weird movements i don't know what you saw - it was a UFO but not an aline craft IMO
Aug 16th, 2007, 06:22 AM
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It would be nice for there to be aliens
No it bloomin' well wouldn't.
Why does everyone assume that they would come in peace?
It's likely that they would be more advanced technically and they might be in search of a nice little green planet to colonise.
Look what happened to the North American Indians, the Incas, the Australian aborigines.
I think that we should keep a low profile and not draw attention to ourselves.
No it bloomin' well wouldn't.
Why does everyone assume that they would come in peace?
It's likely that they would be more advanced technically and they might be in search of a nice little green planet to colonise.
Look what happened to the North American Indians, the Incas, the Australian aborigines.
I think that we should keep a low profile and not draw attention to ourselves.
Aug 16th, 2007, 07:58 AM
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We have been announcing our existence since about 1910 - and those radio waves would now be 95 light years away now.
But it's all moot in any case - if you can't travel faster than the speed of light then there's no interplanetary contact possible.
But it's all moot in any case - if you can't travel faster than the speed of light then there's no interplanetary contact possible.
Aug 16th, 2007, 08:00 AM
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audere - you're talking universe and as my one-arm friend says 'i'm talking multiverse'
figure that humble-jumble out to explain how that could be done
gotta think outside the box!
figure that humble-jumble out to explain how that could be done
gotta think outside the box!
Aug 16th, 2007, 08:05 AM
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I know what he means - your hard core UFO nutter always tries to counter the E=MC2 problem by saying that the UFOs are from another dimension.
That doesn't work either as they'd never find their way home.
That doesn't work either as they'd never find their way home.
Aug 16th, 2007, 08:20 AM
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Since we only just emerged from caves a (relatively) short time ago, I don't think we're in a position to state categorically that "Einstein seriously screwed up his sums." If we've learned anything in the past two hundred years or so, it's that we don't know anything.
I firmly believe that intelligent civilizations exist elsewhere in the universe, that some of them are capable of transcending the speed of light, and that they can visit us any time they choose without detection. I also do not deny that there are many nutters on this planet.
I think it's likely that <b>E=MC²</b> expresses only a <i>glimpse</i> of the relationship between matter, energy, and time.
"It is my supposition that the Universe in not only queerer than we imagine, but is queerer than we <u>can</u> imagine." - J.B.S. Haldane, 20th-century English biologist and visionary
I firmly believe that intelligent civilizations exist elsewhere in the universe, that some of them are capable of transcending the speed of light, and that they can visit us any time they choose without detection. I also do not deny that there are many nutters on this planet.
I think it's likely that <b>E=MC²</b> expresses only a <i>glimpse</i> of the relationship between matter, energy, and time.
"It is my supposition that the Universe in not only queerer than we imagine, but is queerer than we <u>can</u> imagine." - J.B.S. Haldane, 20th-century English biologist and visionary
Aug 20th, 2007, 06:57 AM
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Subject:RE: Q for Dr
Date:Wednesday, August 15, 2007 5:16:31 PM
Dr UFO's Answer to Audere est Facere's Q
Audere: Here are a few answers. First---Bob (palenque) doesn't provide you with a clear picture. I am a ufologist --that is I research & study the UFO phenomenon & I've been doing that for nearly 55 years. I've worked with a number of UFO organizations including Dr. Allen Hynek's Center for UFO Studies (CUFOS). I've investigated numerous UFO events over the years. Bob mentioned an article I wrote for a European magazine. That magazine was UFO MAGAZINE (UK) but it is no longer published. My article was titled "Swamp Gas Revisited"and was built around a previously unpublished police report re: this case, one of the most well known in UFO history.
Now, I've known Bob for years & I love him & wish him the best. But know this---- Bob is a DEBUNKER---he subscribes to the following: 1. DON'T BOTHER ME WITH THE FACTS, MY MIND IS MADE UP; 2. IF YOU CAN'T ATTACK THE DATA, ATTACK THE PERSON OR PEOPLE; (Bob often does this) 3. DO YOUR RESEARCH BY PROCLAMATION, NO INVESTIGATION REQUIRED.
Bob knows very little about even the most well known UFO cases: Travis Walton, Barney & Betty Hill, Linda Cortelle, the Pascagoula, Mississippi case. He simply writes them ALL OFF! Bob PROCLAIMS! He'll never investigate--it's too much trouble. So that's where it's at when we get Bob's perspective.
A FEW BRIEF ANSWERS:
It is probably possible to travel in excess of light speed. Wormholes seem very likely. UFO's may well be be able to manipulate space & time.
Getting here--what about bases in space---we had aircraft carriers in WW II which carried smaller craft. Inbreeds only seeing UFOs? Come on--get informed. 7 % of the US population has seen a UFO--that 21,000,000 people. Two US Presidents have seen UFOs (Carter & Reagan). UFOs are seen in EVERY COUNTRY in the world. Dr. Hynek estimated 100 UFOs are seen daily around the world. Hiding? They are here for THEIR purposes--we can't be sure what that may be. They go about their business & sometimes they are seen. Please Google: DISCLOSURE PROJECT FOR INFO on who wants to tell the story.
Grey's seem to be doing the inter-breeding that you may have head about. They seem to be creating a hybrid--half them, half us. They often plant tiny "tracking devices" on individuals. Some of these have been recovered via surgery. See the work of Dr. Roger Lier for info. However, there are probably 15, 18, or 20 or more different kinds of aliens visiting earth. Some look similar to humans but others are reported looking like prehistoric creatures that roamed earth eons ago.
That's it for now--I've got to rush out to investigate another UFO report. Keep your eyes to the skies. More later----????
DR. HARRY
(PalenQ editorial note - Dr Harry is using the term Dr erroneously as according to academic Hoyle only folks with Ph Ds and Medical doctors are allowed to use the prefix 'Dr' without a following qualification
My one-arm friend Harry (by the way he lost him arm when he was an American emissary to an international dis-arm-anent conference, he says) is a Dr but an EdS - Educationi Specialist and must use that term when refering to himself as "Dr" - Dr. Harry Wellness, EdS
Full disclosure because using the term Dr may imply a status not deserved - especially with the flukey EdS
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Subject: Q for Dr
Author: audere_est_facere
Date: 08/14/2007, 11:39 am
Bob, are all your mates mentalists?
Ask your pal the following:
Does he think Einstein was right with E=MC2? If so can he explain why these UFOs are spending decades to get here and then hiding (not very well as they are seen, usually by inbreeds on deserted farms). It would be like paddling to Australia and hiding up a tree.
Can he explain why the "Grey" type alien is a realtively recent phenomenon - previously aliens were described in all sorts of ways, now it's just the greys.
Can he explain why aliens seem to be obsessed with sticking things up people's bums?
Does he think it's a coincidence that most "flaps" happen in areas of military activity (Rosewell was the air force base of the squadron that dropped the A Bomb on Japan - not a lot of people know that)
It would be nice for there to be aliens - but we are, effectively, alone. Unless Einstein seriously screwed up his sums.
Fromquot;Harry Willnus" <[email protected]>
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Audere: Here are a few answers. First---Bob (palenque) doesn't provide you with a clear picture. I am a ufologist --that is I research & study the UFO phenomenon & I've been doing that for nearly 55 years. I've worked with a number of UFO organizations including Dr. Allen Hynek's Center for UFO Studies (CUFOS). I've investigated numerous UFO events over the years. Bob mentioned an article I wrote for a European magazine. That magazine was UFO MAGAZINE (UK) but it is no longer published. My article was titled "Swamp Gas Revisited"and was built around a previously unpublished police report re: this case, one of the most well known in UFO history.
Now, I've known Bob for years & I love him & wish him the best. But know this---- Bob is a DEBUNKER---he subscribes to the following: 1. DON'T BOTHER ME WITH THE FACTS, MY MIND IS MADE UP; 2. IF YOU CAN'T ATTACK THE DATA, ATTACK THE PERSON OR PEOPLE; (Bob often does this) 3. DO YOUR RESEARCH BY PROCLAMATION, NO INVESTIGATION REQUIRED.
Bob knows very little about even the most well known UFO cases: Travis Walton, Barney & Betty Hill, Linda Cortelle, the Pascagoula, Mississippi case. He simply writes them ALL OFF! Bob PROCLAIMS! He'll never investigate--it's too much trouble. So that's where it's at when we get Bob's perspective.
A FEW BRIEF ANSWERS:
It is probably possible to travel in excess of light speed. Wormholes seem very likely. UFO's may well be be able to manipulate space & time.
Getting here--what about bases in space---we had aircraft carriers in WW II which carried smaller craft. Inbreeds only seeing UFOs? Come on--get informed. 7 % of the US population has seen a UFO--that 21,000,000 people. Two US Presidents have seen UFOs (Carter & Reagan). UFOs are seen in EVERY COUNTRY in the world. Dr. Hynek estimated 100 UFOs are seen daily around the world. Hiding? They are here for THEIR purposes--we can't be sure what that may be. They go about their business & sometimes they are seen. Please Google: DISCLOSURE PROJECT FOR INFO on who wants to tell the story.
Grey's seem to be doing the inter-breeding that you may have head about. They seem to be creating a hybrid--half them, half us. They often plant tiny "tracking devices" on individuals. Some of these have been recovered via surgery. See the work of Dr. Roger Lier for info. However, there are probably 15, 18, or 20 or more different kinds of aliens visiting earth. Some look similar to humans but others are reported looking like prehistoric creatures that roamed earth eons ago.
That's it for now--I've got to rush out to investigate another UFO report. Keep your eyes to the skies. More later----????
DR. HARRY
MICHIGAN USA
-----Original Message-----
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To: [email protected]
Subject: Q for Dr
Author: audere_est_facere
Date: 08/14/2007, 11:39 am
Bob, are all your mates mentalists?
Ask your pal the following:
Does he think Einstein was right with E=MC2? If so can he explain why these UFOs are spending decades to get here and then hiding (not very well as they are seen, usually by inbreeds on deserted farms). It would be like paddling to Australia and hiding up a tree.
Can he explain why the "Grey" type alien is a realtively recent phenomenon - previously aliens were described in all sorts of ways, now it's just the greys.
Can he explain why aliens seem to be obsessed with sticking things up people's bums?
Does he think it's a coincidence that most "flaps" happen in areas of military activity (Rosewell was the air force base of the squadron that dropped the A Bomb on Japan - not a lot of people know that)
It would be nice for there to be aliens - but we are, effectively, alone. Unless Einstein seriously screwed up his sums.
quot;Harry Willnus" <[email protected]>[Add to Address Book]
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Date:Wednesday, August 15, 2007 5:16:31 PM
Dr UFO's Answer to Audere est Facere's Q
Audere: Here are a few answers. First---Bob (palenque) doesn't provide you with a clear picture. I am a ufologist --that is I research & study the UFO phenomenon & I've been doing that for nearly 55 years. I've worked with a number of UFO organizations including Dr. Allen Hynek's Center for UFO Studies (CUFOS). I've investigated numerous UFO events over the years. Bob mentioned an article I wrote for a European magazine. That magazine was UFO MAGAZINE (UK) but it is no longer published. My article was titled "Swamp Gas Revisited"and was built around a previously unpublished police report re: this case, one of the most well known in UFO history.
Now, I've known Bob for years & I love him & wish him the best. But know this---- Bob is a DEBUNKER---he subscribes to the following: 1. DON'T BOTHER ME WITH THE FACTS, MY MIND IS MADE UP; 2. IF YOU CAN'T ATTACK THE DATA, ATTACK THE PERSON OR PEOPLE; (Bob often does this) 3. DO YOUR RESEARCH BY PROCLAMATION, NO INVESTIGATION REQUIRED.
Bob knows very little about even the most well known UFO cases: Travis Walton, Barney & Betty Hill, Linda Cortelle, the Pascagoula, Mississippi case. He simply writes them ALL OFF! Bob PROCLAIMS! He'll never investigate--it's too much trouble. So that's where it's at when we get Bob's perspective.
A FEW BRIEF ANSWERS:
It is probably possible to travel in excess of light speed. Wormholes seem very likely. UFO's may well be be able to manipulate space & time.
Getting here--what about bases in space---we had aircraft carriers in WW II which carried smaller craft. Inbreeds only seeing UFOs? Come on--get informed. 7 % of the US population has seen a UFO--that 21,000,000 people. Two US Presidents have seen UFOs (Carter & Reagan). UFOs are seen in EVERY COUNTRY in the world. Dr. Hynek estimated 100 UFOs are seen daily around the world. Hiding? They are here for THEIR purposes--we can't be sure what that may be. They go about their business & sometimes they are seen. Please Google: DISCLOSURE PROJECT FOR INFO on who wants to tell the story.
Grey's seem to be doing the inter-breeding that you may have head about. They seem to be creating a hybrid--half them, half us. They often plant tiny "tracking devices" on individuals. Some of these have been recovered via surgery. See the work of Dr. Roger Lier for info. However, there are probably 15, 18, or 20 or more different kinds of aliens visiting earth. Some look similar to humans but others are reported looking like prehistoric creatures that roamed earth eons ago.
That's it for now--I've got to rush out to investigate another UFO report. Keep your eyes to the skies. More later----????
DR. HARRY
(PalenQ editorial note - Dr Harry is using the term Dr erroneously as according to academic Hoyle only folks with Ph Ds and Medical doctors are allowed to use the prefix 'Dr' without a following qualification
My one-arm friend Harry (by the way he lost him arm when he was an American emissary to an international dis-arm-anent conference, he says) is a Dr but an EdS - Educationi Specialist and must use that term when refering to himself as "Dr" - Dr. Harry Wellness, EdS
Full disclosure because using the term Dr may imply a status not deserved - especially with the flukey EdS
-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected] [mailto
[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 1:49 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Q for Dr
Author: audere_est_facere
Date: 08/14/2007, 11:39 am
Bob, are all your mates mentalists?
Ask your pal the following:
Does he think Einstein was right with E=MC2? If so can he explain why these UFOs are spending decades to get here and then hiding (not very well as they are seen, usually by inbreeds on deserted farms). It would be like paddling to Australia and hiding up a tree.
Can he explain why the "Grey" type alien is a realtively recent phenomenon - previously aliens were described in all sorts of ways, now it's just the greys.
Can he explain why aliens seem to be obsessed with sticking things up people's bums?
Does he think it's a coincidence that most "flaps" happen in areas of military activity (Rosewell was the air force base of the squadron that dropped the A Bomb on Japan - not a lot of people know that)
It would be nice for there to be aliens - but we are, effectively, alone. Unless Einstein seriously screwed up his sums.
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lt;[email protected]> Subject:RE: Q for Dr
Date:Wednesday, August 15, 2007 5:16:31 PM
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Audere: Here are a few answers. First---Bob (palenque) doesn't provide you with a clear picture. I am a ufologist --that is I research & study the UFO phenomenon & I've been doing that for nearly 55 years. I've worked with a number of UFO organizations including Dr. Allen Hynek's Center for UFO Studies (CUFOS). I've investigated numerous UFO events over the years. Bob mentioned an article I wrote for a European magazine. That magazine was UFO MAGAZINE (UK) but it is no longer published. My article was titled "Swamp Gas Revisited"and was built around a previously unpublished police report re: this case, one of the most well known in UFO history.
Now, I've known Bob for years & I love him & wish him the best. But know this---- Bob is a DEBUNKER---he subscribes to the following: 1. DON'T BOTHER ME WITH THE FACTS, MY MIND IS MADE UP; 2. IF YOU CAN'T ATTACK THE DATA, ATTACK THE PERSON OR PEOPLE; (Bob often does this) 3. DO YOUR RESEARCH BY PROCLAMATION, NO INVESTIGATION REQUIRED.
Bob knows very little about even the most well known UFO cases: Travis Walton, Barney & Betty Hill, Linda Cortelle, the Pascagoula, Mississippi case. He simply writes them ALL OFF! Bob PROCLAIMS! He'll never investigate--it's too much trouble. So that's where it's at when we get Bob's perspective.
A FEW BRIEF ANSWERS:
It is probably possible to travel in excess of light speed. Wormholes seem very likely. UFO's may well be be able to manipulate space & time.
Getting here--what about bases in space---we had aircraft carriers in WW II which carried smaller craft. Inbreeds only seeing UFOs? Come on--get informed. 7 % of the US population has seen a UFO--that 21,000,000 people. Two US Presidents have seen UFOs (Carter & Reagan). UFOs are seen in EVERY COUNTRY in the world. Dr. Hynek estimated 100 UFOs are seen daily around the world. Hiding? They are here for THEIR purposes--we can't be sure what that may be. They go about their business & sometimes they are seen. Please Google: DISCLOSURE PROJECT FOR INFO on who wants to tell the story.
Grey's seem to be doing the inter-breeding that you may have head about. They seem to be creating a hybrid--half them, half us. They often plant tiny "tracking devices" on individuals. Some of these have been recovered via surgery. See the work of Dr. Roger Lier for info. However, there are probably 15, 18, or 20 or more different kinds of aliens visiting earth. Some look similar to humans but others are reported looking like prehistoric creatures that roamed earth eons ago.
That's it for now--I've got to rush out to investigate another UFO report. Keep your eyes to the skies. More later----????
DR. HARRY
MICHIGAN USA
-----Original Message-----
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[email protected]] Sent: Tuesday, August 14, 2007 1:49 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Q for Dr
Author: audere_est_facere
Date: 08/14/2007, 11:39 am
Bob, are all your mates mentalists?
Ask your pal the following:
Does he think Einstein was right with E=MC2? If so can he explain why these UFOs are spending decades to get here and then hiding (not very well as they are seen, usually by inbreeds on deserted farms). It would be like paddling to Australia and hiding up a tree.
Can he explain why the "Grey" type alien is a realtively recent phenomenon - previously aliens were described in all sorts of ways, now it's just the greys.
Can he explain why aliens seem to be obsessed with sticking things up people's bums?
Does he think it's a coincidence that most "flaps" happen in areas of military activity (Rosewell was the air force base of the squadron that dropped the A Bomb on Japan - not a lot of people know that)
It would be nice for there to be aliens - but we are, effectively, alone. Unless Einstein seriously screwed up his sums.
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Loopygrl - maybe this was the same time you saw something in Broomingham?
UK/England A Silver Spherical Object
MANCHESTER, FLIXTON -- I saw a silver spherical object move from west to east at 11.30 AM, on July 29, 2007. This object then stopped and traveled in a northerly direction. This location is on a flight path from Manchester Airport. I am used to seeing aircraft at varying heights. There was intermittent cloud cover and I lost sight of the object in the cloud. When I was 30 years old, I experienced the same situation. . Thanks to Brian Vike - Director of HBCC UFO Research and host of the radio show called The Vike Report http://www.hbccufo.org /
UK/England A Silver Spherical Object
MANCHESTER, FLIXTON -- I saw a silver spherical object move from west to east at 11.30 AM, on July 29, 2007. This object then stopped and traveled in a northerly direction. This location is on a flight path from Manchester Airport. I am used to seeing aircraft at varying heights. There was intermittent cloud cover and I lost sight of the object in the cloud. When I was 30 years old, I experienced the same situation. . Thanks to Brian Vike - Director of HBCC UFO Research and host of the radio show called The Vike Report http://www.hbccufo.org /
