French Wine 101
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IMPORTANT FRENCH WINE REGIONS:
BORDEAUX
Since you like bold reds, this famous region will be important. The main red wine grapes used in Bordeaux are Cabernet Sauvignon and Merlot and these two are almost always blended in some proportion. As you might know, Cabernet Sauvignon has more tannin than Merlot (which in turn has more than Pinot Noir, etc), so the key to understanding Bordeaux is to 1) decide whether you prefer a Cabernet-dominant or Merlot-dominant wine and 2) look for the right appellation accordingly (you will find the Appellation listed on the label or wine lists). Bordeaux vinyards are usually designated by Chateaus so the next level of understanding would be to know which Chateaus within each appellation you like, but that's what tasting wine is for.
Figuring out #2 (the grape) is pretty easy... in Bordeaux, most of the red wine you see is about 70% Cabernet Sauvignon and 30% Merlot and other. If you see the regions/towns of Medoc, Pauillac, St. Estephe on the label, it will be Cabernet-dominated. But the easy way to remember is just to know the 2 major towns that are Merlot-dominated: St. Emilion and Pomerol. Simple... if you want Merlot, just order one of those. If you want Cabernet Sauvignon, order a red from one of the other Bordeaux towns. There is another district, Graves, that tends to be more evenly split between Merlot and Cab Sauv. Try different Chateaux and find your favorite (some famous ones like LaTour or Lafitte cost hundreds).
Finally, there is one white dessert wine from Bordeaux that you must try. It is called Sauternes (you will see this on the label) and it is amazing. It is actually made through a process that translates into "noble rot" because they actually let the grapes ripen on the vine so long that they are penetrated by a bacteria... this increases the sugar content greatly and produces a succulant white dessert wine that usually comes in a slender half bottle.
There are a few white Sauvignon Blancs from Bordeaux too, but Sancerre wines from the Loire Valley are the famous Sauvignon Blancs.
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BORDEAUX
Since you like bold reds, this famous region will be important. The main red wine grapes used in Bordeaux are Cabernet Sauvignon and Merlot and these two are almost always blended in some proportion. As you might know, Cabernet Sauvignon has more tannin than Merlot (which in turn has more than Pinot Noir, etc), so the key to understanding Bordeaux is to 1) decide whether you prefer a Cabernet-dominant or Merlot-dominant wine and 2) look for the right appellation accordingly (you will find the Appellation listed on the label or wine lists). Bordeaux vinyards are usually designated by Chateaus so the next level of understanding would be to know which Chateaus within each appellation you like, but that's what tasting wine is for.
Figuring out #2 (the grape) is pretty easy... in Bordeaux, most of the red wine you see is about 70% Cabernet Sauvignon and 30% Merlot and other. If you see the regions/towns of Medoc, Pauillac, St. Estephe on the label, it will be Cabernet-dominated. But the easy way to remember is just to know the 2 major towns that are Merlot-dominated: St. Emilion and Pomerol. Simple... if you want Merlot, just order one of those. If you want Cabernet Sauvignon, order a red from one of the other Bordeaux towns. There is another district, Graves, that tends to be more evenly split between Merlot and Cab Sauv. Try different Chateaux and find your favorite (some famous ones like LaTour or Lafitte cost hundreds).
Finally, there is one white dessert wine from Bordeaux that you must try. It is called Sauternes (you will see this on the label) and it is amazing. It is actually made through a process that translates into "noble rot" because they actually let the grapes ripen on the vine so long that they are penetrated by a bacteria... this increases the sugar content greatly and produces a succulant white dessert wine that usually comes in a slender half bottle.
There are a few white Sauvignon Blancs from Bordeaux too, but Sancerre wines from the Loire Valley are the famous Sauvignon Blancs.
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RHONE VALLEY:
Keeping with your taste for bold reds, the Rhone Valley is the next place to know. It is located in Southeast France and roughly divided into Northern Rhone and Southern Rhone.
Northern Rhone:
Northern Rhone wine is almost exclusively made with Syrah which as you know is full of flavors like pepper, blackberries, etc. Occassionally a little Viognier (a white grape) is added which is very flavorful, but don't worry about this. To identify Northern Rhone wines, look for the following appellations on the label: Hermitage (expensive), Crozes-Hermitage or Cote-Rotie.
Southern Rhone:
Southern Rhone wines also commonly use Syrah, but they are also allowed to use Grenache and to blend many other grapes. With a warmer climate and these blends, Southern Rhone wines tend to be a bit more rustic/spicy and perhaps less refined than the Northerns. To identify Southern Rhone wines, look for the appellations of: Cotes du Rhones, Cote du Rhone Villages and Chateau-neuf-du-Pape (the "new house of the Pope" named from a time when the papacy was in France).
I'm guessing you already know, since you like reds, but just in case, Shiraz is just the Australian name for Syrah.
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Keeping with your taste for bold reds, the Rhone Valley is the next place to know. It is located in Southeast France and roughly divided into Northern Rhone and Southern Rhone.
Northern Rhone:
Northern Rhone wine is almost exclusively made with Syrah which as you know is full of flavors like pepper, blackberries, etc. Occassionally a little Viognier (a white grape) is added which is very flavorful, but don't worry about this. To identify Northern Rhone wines, look for the following appellations on the label: Hermitage (expensive), Crozes-Hermitage or Cote-Rotie.
Southern Rhone:
Southern Rhone wines also commonly use Syrah, but they are also allowed to use Grenache and to blend many other grapes. With a warmer climate and these blends, Southern Rhone wines tend to be a bit more rustic/spicy and perhaps less refined than the Northerns. To identify Southern Rhone wines, look for the appellations of: Cotes du Rhones, Cote du Rhone Villages and Chateau-neuf-du-Pape (the "new house of the Pope" named from a time when the papacy was in France).
I'm guessing you already know, since you like reds, but just in case, Shiraz is just the Australian name for Syrah.
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#24
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i agree cigalechanta... just mentioned Chateauneuf du Pape in last post. Trying to help Iregeo with the majors and wrap this up... 
Burgundy (or Bourgogne in French):
Probably the last major red area you need to know. This is the home of Pinot Noir for reds and Chardonnays for whites. Burgundy is the most complex region to understand because it's easy to know that your red wine will be Pinot Noir, but here the wines vary greatly by producer and their are hundreds of them. Some people devote their whole lives to becoming experts just on Burgundy.
Without getting into producers, the basic way to get around Burgundy wines is to know the price/quality scale for this region. From lowest to highest it is:
Regional/Generic: These are just labeled Bourgogne and it means the grapes could come from anywhere in the entire region.
District: These wines are from several good sub-regions. If you see Cote de Beaune Village or Cote de Nuits on the label, you will be looking at a district wine but there are many others.
Village: The next level up are wines that come from several desirable villages. Important ones are Gevrey-Chambertin and Montrachet.
Premier Cru: If you see "1er Cru" on the bottle it is even better and you know it is considered even higher quality.
Grand Cru: Grand Cru are the best and most expensive. These top vinyards are located in the Cote d'Or region.
In the Burgundy are you also find the small region of Chablis which is famous for white Chardonnay wines. These Burgundy and Chablis wines have nothing to do with the $5 jug bottles sold under those names in US supermarkets - they just stole the names as a marketing tactic.
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Burgundy (or Bourgogne in French):
Probably the last major red area you need to know. This is the home of Pinot Noir for reds and Chardonnays for whites. Burgundy is the most complex region to understand because it's easy to know that your red wine will be Pinot Noir, but here the wines vary greatly by producer and their are hundreds of them. Some people devote their whole lives to becoming experts just on Burgundy.
Without getting into producers, the basic way to get around Burgundy wines is to know the price/quality scale for this region. From lowest to highest it is:
Regional/Generic: These are just labeled Bourgogne and it means the grapes could come from anywhere in the entire region.
District: These wines are from several good sub-regions. If you see Cote de Beaune Village or Cote de Nuits on the label, you will be looking at a district wine but there are many others.
Village: The next level up are wines that come from several desirable villages. Important ones are Gevrey-Chambertin and Montrachet.
Premier Cru: If you see "1er Cru" on the bottle it is even better and you know it is considered even higher quality.
Grand Cru: Grand Cru are the best and most expensive. These top vinyards are located in the Cote d'Or region.
In the Burgundy are you also find the small region of Chablis which is famous for white Chardonnay wines. These Burgundy and Chablis wines have nothing to do with the $5 jug bottles sold under those names in US supermarkets - they just stole the names as a marketing tactic.
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FRENCH WHITE WINES:
Now that I've given you the major red regions, I hope you take some time to try some French whites as well, as they are the gold-standard for white wines around the world. Here's a quick look:
LOIRE VALLEY - look on the label for the appellations of Sancerre and Pouilly Fume which are the gold-standards for Sauvignon Blanc (although those from Marlborough in New Zealand are strong rivals).
ALSACE - home to great Reislings and Gewurtztraminers. This is easy because they say the varietal on the label. These are cool, refreshing, northern/mountain region wines (similar to their German counterparts) with great aromas and flavors.
Champagne - don't overlook the bubbly from Champagne when you are there!
OK, sorry if i rambled but hopefully this will help you... this was actually a good way for me to refresh some things i need to learn for my course. But it made me thirsty and i think i'll open a bottle of wine. Let me know if you have questions but after tomorrow it will take me a while to reply.
Now that I've given you the major red regions, I hope you take some time to try some French whites as well, as they are the gold-standard for white wines around the world. Here's a quick look:
LOIRE VALLEY - look on the label for the appellations of Sancerre and Pouilly Fume which are the gold-standards for Sauvignon Blanc (although those from Marlborough in New Zealand are strong rivals).
ALSACE - home to great Reislings and Gewurtztraminers. This is easy because they say the varietal on the label. These are cool, refreshing, northern/mountain region wines (similar to their German counterparts) with great aromas and flavors.
Champagne - don't overlook the bubbly from Champagne when you are there!
OK, sorry if i rambled but hopefully this will help you... this was actually a good way for me to refresh some things i need to learn for my course. But it made me thirsty and i think i'll open a bottle of wine. Let me know if you have questions but after tomorrow it will take me a while to reply.
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Hi iregeo,
You can also go to http://www.winespectator.com/Wine/Home
and click on "Wine Basics".
You can also go to http://www.winespectator.com/Wine/Home
and click on "Wine Basics".
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At the risk of violating some Fodor's rule, I recommend you check out this page of my husband's web site, which describes a visit to La Derniere Goutte http://www.vineyardstars.com/lilshops.htm.
(although he is a wine professional, he makes no money off the site--which is why it's a little out of date. It's a labor of love, but worth poking around for good info on French wine)
Iregeo, the tastings at LDG are very informal. You can just drop in on a Saturday afternoon. You may run into us, since we'll be there at the end of the month, too! Then my husband can tell you more than you'd ever want to know about French wines. He has recently discovered some "small" reds from the South and South West that have him swooning (and I think they're pretty terrific, too).
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Cigalechanta - Yes I took a picture of the blue nuns but I don't have them on the web (not even sure where they are right now). I will try to locate them.
I googled blue nun and it appears to have been bought by the french and they have upgraded the grapes etc. and are trying to get past the name and get people to give it another chance.
I am afraid we drank lots of house wines in Italy and when we ordered a bottle my cousin usually selected the wine. He is in several wine of the month clubs so he gets to sample lots of wines.
I am just starting to get interested in wine in my old age as bourbon,invented by(arguably) my ancestor Elijah Craig,is not as kind to me as in my younger days.
If you get the chance this week head down to my daughter's dorm at MIT. They have Buddhist monks constructing the Chenrezig Mandala-an intricate three-dimensional image 4 feet in diameter made of colored sand to promote compassion,acceptance and peace in the world. They will work daily starting today til finished possibly March 7 and then will dump it in the Charles River. Public viewing hours Friday, March 5 from 2-6p.m.; Saturday from 10 a.m. to noon and 2-7p.m. Her dorm is "the sponge" Simmons Hall on Vassar Street.
I googled blue nun and it appears to have been bought by the french and they have upgraded the grapes etc. and are trying to get past the name and get people to give it another chance.
I am afraid we drank lots of house wines in Italy and when we ordered a bottle my cousin usually selected the wine. He is in several wine of the month clubs so he gets to sample lots of wines.
I am just starting to get interested in wine in my old age as bourbon,invented by(arguably) my ancestor Elijah Craig,is not as kind to me as in my younger days.
If you get the chance this week head down to my daughter's dorm at MIT. They have Buddhist monks constructing the Chenrezig Mandala-an intricate three-dimensional image 4 feet in diameter made of colored sand to promote compassion,acceptance and peace in the world. They will work daily starting today til finished possibly March 7 and then will dump it in the Charles River. Public viewing hours Friday, March 5 from 2-6p.m.; Saturday from 10 a.m. to noon and 2-7p.m. Her dorm is "the sponge" Simmons Hall on Vassar Street.
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mediterraneo - wow! above and beyond the call of duty. Thank you so much. I have read through your posts once and will print them to study. You have broken things down in manageable, understandable format.
Thank you for your generosity. Have a wonderful trip!
Thank you for your generosity. Have a wonderful trip!
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elle, thank you for the website information. I would look forward to meeting you and your husband at the winetasting, should our paths cross!
Since there appear to be several fodorites who will be in Paris at the same time, I thought of wearing an "Iregeo" pin, so that they could approach me (or, avoid me, as the case may be!)
Au Revoir!
Since there appear to be several fodorites who will be in Paris at the same time, I thought of wearing an "Iregeo" pin, so that they could approach me (or, avoid me, as the case may be!)
Au Revoir!
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Getting off the topic of wine for just a moment - anyone having a chance to watch the Buddhist monks constructing a Mandala should make it a point to see it. They did one at the art center in my town last year - the monks were delightful and the Mandala was exquisite. When finished, they poured it in the river with a large group of school kids as an audience. I got some really nice photos of them working on the Mandala and of the finished product.
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I loved your posts Mediterraneo, what good basic information.
I feel that if you don't know a lot about the labels or types, etc., I think for red you can't go too wrong with a Cotes du Rhone or Saumur Champigny, and both can be found at modest prices in restaurants/cafes. I think they will go with most things that you might drink a red with. If you like rose, the Provencal roses are usually very good. For white, I like dry wines, and usually just get a Macon, although I like Sauvignon Blanc, also.
Here is another web site that is fairly useful on some French wine basics regarding grapes and regions:
http://www.lagrappe.fr/index_e.html
I feel that if you don't know a lot about the labels or types, etc., I think for red you can't go too wrong with a Cotes du Rhone or Saumur Champigny, and both can be found at modest prices in restaurants/cafes. I think they will go with most things that you might drink a red with. If you like rose, the Provencal roses are usually very good. For white, I like dry wines, and usually just get a Macon, although I like Sauvignon Blanc, also.
Here is another web site that is fairly useful on some French wine basics regarding grapes and regions:
http://www.lagrappe.fr/index_e.html
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TravelerGina - I only mentioned the Mandala on this thread because Cigalechanta asked about the blue nuns I saw in Rome and I knew she was 1 T-stop from MIT. My daughter attended the Boston GTG in January with some of her MIT cronies. I didn't mean to sidetrack the wine discussion.
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Sancerre is another excellent white.
If someone offers you a taste of a white Corton-Charlemagne, be very grateful; it's one of the best going.
For a good red Burgundy at a non-extortionate price, look for a Savigny-lès-Beaune and/or an Irançy.
If someone offers you a taste of a white Corton-Charlemagne, be very grateful; it's one of the best going.
For a good red Burgundy at a non-extortionate price, look for a Savigny-lès-Beaune and/or an Irançy.
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I did take Kybourbon's information to heart to visit the monks and their work with the mandala, and had an interesting chat with them.
But back to wine. For Father's day, out to lunch, we tasted a very good Austrian red wine, something we had never tried before. I wish I had written the name down. This was the bartender's suggestion.
But back to wine. For Father's day, out to lunch, we tasted a very good Austrian red wine, something we had never tried before. I wish I had written the name down. This was the bartender's suggestion.
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Bonsoir Iregeo,
I would agree that the Red Rhones, the wines of SW France, and the stunning whites of Alsace are the best bang for the buck, but nothing is inexpensive anymore in Europa. More than a few old established restaurants in smaller towns/vills have older vintages in their cellars for not much more than the original retail prices, but the weak USD blunts those bargains a bit.
My French family was originally from Alsace so some bias there. Lovely area still.
I have been buying and drinking wines from all over the world for more than 40 years, mostly playing the USD's strengths for large purchases. Spain, Chile, Argentina and Australia continue to produce some great bargains for the US.
The Wine Advocate and the Wine Spectator may help with updates if you have friends who get those.
I typically order less expensive, mostly unknown wines in restaurants these days - an '01 Mont Gras Cab/Syrah Res from Chile for about $25. last week in MX was among the best reds I've had this Spring.
I would agree that the Red Rhones, the wines of SW France, and the stunning whites of Alsace are the best bang for the buck, but nothing is inexpensive anymore in Europa. More than a few old established restaurants in smaller towns/vills have older vintages in their cellars for not much more than the original retail prices, but the weak USD blunts those bargains a bit.
My French family was originally from Alsace so some bias there. Lovely area still.
I have been buying and drinking wines from all over the world for more than 40 years, mostly playing the USD's strengths for large purchases. Spain, Chile, Argentina and Australia continue to produce some great bargains for the US.
The Wine Advocate and the Wine Spectator may help with updates if you have friends who get those.
I typically order less expensive, mostly unknown wines in restaurants these days - an '01 Mont Gras Cab/Syrah Res from Chile for about $25. last week in MX was among the best reds I've had this Spring.

