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France opens to those from North America – there are restrictions

Old Jun 4th, 2021, 12:58 PM
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Problem is it sounds like they're making this up as they go along.

That is why they waited until 5 days before the June 9th date they talked about to publish these documents.

And it's ridiculous, no restrictions on arrivals from other EU nations but some have higher rates of infection than the US currently and much lower rates of vaccination.

Also, they are saying no restrictions on vaccinated people from green list countries such as Australia. That is another country with low vaccinations.

Do they really think an unvaccinated Australian is less likely to transmit disease while visiting France than a vaccinated American?

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Old Jun 4th, 2021, 01:05 PM
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I think I am very confused..........
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Old Jun 4th, 2021, 01:12 PM
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From what I read of the WaPo article, the French foreign minister is stating that France will allow tourists from the States. In the chart you give, in the box next to the green check marked box there is a little notice that entry is subject to the country of destination's rules. The rules published by France make no allowance for tourism or vacation home ownership; entry to France from orange countries is only for essential purposes.
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Old Jun 4th, 2021, 01:54 PM
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Originally Posted by scrb11 View Post
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Yeah unvaccinated people from Orange list countries, which include the US and UK, may not travel for nonessential reasons. They can enter for "motifs imperiaux" and the link has a list of those things.

I believe you are required to present a PCR or Antigen test but there is an additional test required on arrival? But it's aleatoire or random?
I hate to sound stupid, but how do I convert the information in the link from French to English? I would love to see the list of orange countries.
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I was able to open the documents that Sarastro included in his/her first post. But I couldn't print them. These documents seem to contradict the WaPo article. We have airline reservations to fly to France in August to visit our daughter, son-in-law, and grandchildren. So we aren't going for tourism purposes. We are going to visit family. But it looks like we might have to apply for a short or long stay visa, and I read that is difficult to get approved. Does anyone know anything about traveling for a family reunion and applying for these visas? It is all very confusing. The WaPo article does say restrictions could be relaxed or toughened in the coming weeks for Americans, but I don't know what to believe since this article contradicts the documents. UGH!!!!!
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Old Jun 4th, 2021, 02:02 PM
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It sounds like they are making it up as they go along
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Old Jun 4th, 2021, 02:52 PM
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I think it’s best right now to wait for Biden’s summit coming soon and then I would shortly thereafter check the US Embassy to see what they post, I would hope that page will be updated around that time.
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Old Jun 4th, 2021, 03:04 PM
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Originally Posted by KarenWoo View Post
I hate to sound stupid, but how do I convert the information in the link from French to English? I would love to see the list of orange countries.

Theres a color coded world map at the link.

The thing is, the US has much lower infections rate now than France.
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Old Jun 4th, 2021, 03:04 PM
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Read this from the US Embassy today. This sounds like vaccinated Americans can go for tourism if they have a negative PCR test 72 hours before.

UGH, sorry link is not working. Go to the US Embassy in France website for further detail but I read this below as OK for vaccinated and PCR tested tourists.
  • On June 4, the French government announced that beginning June 9, 2021, vaccinated travelers residing in the United States (as well as minor children under 11) can fly to France and will not need to quarantine upon arrival. Such travelers will need to present BOTH:
    • Proof of vaccination (currently only the Pfizer, Moderna, AstraZeneca, and Johnson & Johnson vaccines are accepted. Travelers must also be fully vaccinated, which occurs two weeks after the second dose of Pfizer, Moderna, or AstraZeneca, and four weeks after the single dose of Johnson & Johnson; AND Either a negative COVID PCR test conducted within the 72 hours prior to departure OR a negative COVID antigen test performed within the 48 hours prior to departure.
  • NOTE: At this time, we do not yet know what France will consider as sufficient proof of vaccination.
  • Travelers who are not vaccinated are not permitted to enter France unless they show a qualifying compelling reason for travel
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Old Jun 4th, 2021, 03:11 PM
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Yeah there's no ambiguity.

This new announcement IS about tourism.

Why would they bother put out a new announcement if it isn't?

You could go to France from the US for essential reasons. This is about non-essential reasons if you're vaccinated and can present a negative test.
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Old Jun 4th, 2021, 03:23 PM
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Yup. France is our fallback for Fall if for some reason we can’t get into Switzerland and Austria. Also, I live in SoCal and have talked to many people who have gotten the PCR test, yes it’s expensive but easy and almost everyone has gotten results back within 24 hours. Anitgen even easier. We have testing places right near our airport. So the test requirements don’t other me even though we’re already vaccinated.
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Old Jun 4th, 2021, 03:29 PM
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Originally Posted by ChrisC101 View Post
Yup. France is our fallback for Fall if for some reason we can’t get into Switzerland and Austria. Also, I live in SoCal and have talked to many people who have gotten the PCR test, yes it’s expensive but easy and almost everyone has gotten results back within 24 hours. Anitgen even easier. We have testing places right near our airport. So the test requirements don’t other me even though we’re already vaccinated.

The testing on top of vaccine is annoying.

Hope Spain and other countries don't impose that as well.

But a French minister said the reason is, Americans don't have digital certification of vaccination like the EU is planning to do with their EU Covid Digital Certificate.


However get this, if you travel from France to Corsica, you have to get a PCR test. I'm hoping they drop this now that the entry rules into France will change on June 9. I was panning to go to Nice for a couple of nights before going to Corsica for a week but now I'm not too sure. If I have to get an expensive PCR test and hope that it's ready in a day, it may not work.

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Old Jun 4th, 2021, 03:30 PM
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Originally Posted by Michael View Post
The mobility rules seem to rule out tourism travel. It is not even clear that an American who owns a house in France but has no other connection to France would be allowed in.
Vaccinated individuals may enter France with either a PCR test (given within 72 hours of departure) or an Antigen test (given 48 hours before departure). If you are vaccinated, it doesn't matter why you are going to France. The only unresolved detail is what proves you are vaccinated. I am not sure what homeownership has to do with anything other than you may want to carry a copy of your taxe d´habitation as proof of accommodate if asked by immigration.

It will be very difficult to enter France if you are not vaccinated.

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MIchael is correct, NO WHERE on those documents does it say Americans can go to France just for tourism. In fact, the rules don't seem that different from what they were before, but I might be forgetting (married to someone, some essential travel, health professional, etc).
I don´t think you need permission to go to France as a tourist. You just need to be vaccinated and obtain either a PCR or Antigen test before boarding a France bound aircraft.

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Thev7 day isolation - do you have to quarantine 7 days if you haven't been vaccinated?
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Yes, but entry as an unvaccinated individual is subject to the special reasons which are very restrictive.

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I"m still confused as that WaPo article doesn't clarify anything. The headline says Americans are allowed in for tourism if vaccinated
Correct, Americans are given entry as are all those living in green or orange countries. There are further restrictions for those arriving from red countries.
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Old Jun 4th, 2021, 04:42 PM
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Originally Posted by scrb11 View Post
Theres a color coded world map at the link.

The thing is, the US has much lower infections rate now than France.
Thanks!. I see the map. Don't know how I missed it before. Most of the world is orange.

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Old Jun 4th, 2021, 04:55 PM
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Unless you’re traveling within the next couple weeks, I wouldn’t put much weight on any information right now. As a travel forum, I know we’re all planners, but in this environment you just can’t do that months out.

A coworker of mine is traveling from DC to Lyon for her brother’s wedding in 4 weeks (he has lived there for 10 years). Her experience thus far, ie, planning the travel with the help of her brother, tells her there are not a ton of restrictions. As opposed to our other coworker who was in London last week for her sister’s wedding and had contact tracers and what looked like police showing up at her door making sure she was quarantining. But again, that was last week. Things might be different now! And the colleague going to Lyon might have difficulties in 4 weeks. Who knows. But I’ll be happy to report back.
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Old Jun 4th, 2021, 05:01 PM
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YankyGal, that would be nice if you can report back in 4 weeks.

At least the information on the US Embassy in France website is encouraging!
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Old Jun 4th, 2021, 05:09 PM
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Happy to!
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Old Jun 4th, 2021, 10:07 PM
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Originally Posted by YankyGal View Post
Unless you’re traveling within the next couple weeks, I wouldn’t put much weight on any information right now. As a travel forum, I know we’re all planners, but in this environment you just can’t do that months out.

A coworker of mine is traveling from DC to Lyon for her brother’s wedding in 4 weeks (he has lived there for 10 years). Her experience thus far, ie, planning the travel with the help of her brother, tells her there are not a ton of restrictions. As opposed to our other coworker who was in London last week for her sister’s wedding and had contact tracers and what looked like police showing up at her door making sure she was quarantining. But again, that was last week. Things might be different now! And the colleague going to Lyon might have difficulties in 4 weeks. Who knows. But I’ll be happy to report back.
absolutely agree any travel planning horizons should be each week or even daily. The rules change so quickly.
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Old Jun 4th, 2021, 10:09 PM
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Originally Posted by bilboburgler View Post
It sounds like they are making it up as they go along
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They have to do , new variants appear weekly and the UK is currently experiencing infection rates at a 20% increase per day. The situation is very fluid.
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Old Jun 4th, 2021, 10:15 PM
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" they're making this up as they go along"

I think every single country in the world, except maybe North Korea, is regularly modifying various rules as the situation evolves. I can't imagine why this bothers people. Of course people who plan one year ahead and book every hotel and restaurant meal can always encounter some surprises.
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