France: Foie Gras Declared a 'National Heritage'
Oct 3rd, 2006, 05:19 AM
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"First of all, as some have said, it remains to be seen if forcefeeding creates "grossly diseased" organs,"
Well, no. The proof is in every animal that survives long enough. It is merely a matter of reading the literature available - even if it doesn't agree with your own ideas...
"Its is also done in Hungary and Israel. But nobody would have the idea to criticise those countries"
Don't know about Hungary but it was outlawed in Israel a couple of years ago based specifically on the laws against cruelty to animals.
Well, no. The proof is in every animal that survives long enough. It is merely a matter of reading the literature available - even if it doesn't agree with your own ideas...
"Its is also done in Hungary and Israel. But nobody would have the idea to criticise those countries"
Don't know about Hungary but it was outlawed in Israel a couple of years ago based specifically on the laws against cruelty to animals.
Oct 3rd, 2006, 05:31 AM
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Trudaine, I couldn't agree more.
A suggestion for those who are offended by the action of the Assemblée Nationale:
1. Abstain from eating foie gras.
2. Abstain from visiting a country whose government offends you.
3. Abstain from bashing the government of another country unless your own country is above reproach. (Think of all the time you'll have to take care of things in your own backyard).
A suggestion for those who are offended by the action of the Assemblée Nationale:
1. Abstain from eating foie gras.
2. Abstain from visiting a country whose government offends you.
3. Abstain from bashing the government of another country unless your own country is above reproach. (Think of all the time you'll have to take care of things in your own backyard).
Oct 3rd, 2006, 05:51 AM
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As for the statement that 99% of French could care less....
I guess my in-law family is the exception. Though they aren't in the streets protesting this animal abuse abomination they unanimously oppose the macabre tradition - saying they never would eat foi gras because of the production method and animal suffering. the whole in-law family of about 30 folks i know seem to have the same view except a few who 'could care less,' and to me that says something negative about them.
This practice, along with such 'sports' as bullfighting, trophy hunting in Africa, etc. WILL be banned eventually as humans naturally evolve into more caring creatures.
I guess my in-law family is the exception. Though they aren't in the streets protesting this animal abuse abomination they unanimously oppose the macabre tradition - saying they never would eat foi gras because of the production method and animal suffering. the whole in-law family of about 30 folks i know seem to have the same view except a few who 'could care less,' and to me that says something negative about them.
This practice, along with such 'sports' as bullfighting, trophy hunting in Africa, etc. WILL be banned eventually as humans naturally evolve into more caring creatures.
Oct 3rd, 2006, 06:00 AM
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"This practice, along with such 'sports' as bullfighting, trophy hunting in Africa, etc. WILL be banned eventually as humans naturally evolve into more caring creatures."
. . . And I was hoping people might finally get comfortable in their role as a predator species . . .
. . . And I was hoping people might finally get comfortable in their role as a predator species . . .
Oct 3rd, 2006, 06:10 AM
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Interestingly enough, if the French want to drain a wildlife reserve and put an oil refinery on it, it's not the woolly hatted crystal waving vegan posse that stop it, it's the meat eating, gun toting, dog rearing hunters.
Oct 3rd, 2006, 06:13 AM
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<And I was hoping people might finally get comfortable in their role as a predator species>
'finally get confortable'? Give me a break - high ups in every society have rarely batted an eyelash at comfortably sending their minions into battle versus other humans for often selfish even drummed up (um!) reasons - you don't have to worry about humans not being predators - just hope they concentrate on killing and torturing (like GeorgeW wants) on other humans, leaving animals alone. W and Cheney are the epitome of humans who comfortably send young kids into deadly battles based on spurious reasons and faked 'slan dunk' info - and as most such courageous leaders never dare to set foot in battle themselves, nor should any of their kids have to give the ultimate sacrifice for their country - let the poor do their dirty work. Cheney only had about 1,000 deferments during the Viet Nam war.
'finally get confortable'? Give me a break - high ups in every society have rarely batted an eyelash at comfortably sending their minions into battle versus other humans for often selfish even drummed up (um!) reasons - you don't have to worry about humans not being predators - just hope they concentrate on killing and torturing (like GeorgeW wants) on other humans, leaving animals alone. W and Cheney are the epitome of humans who comfortably send young kids into deadly battles based on spurious reasons and faked 'slan dunk' info - and as most such courageous leaders never dare to set foot in battle themselves, nor should any of their kids have to give the ultimate sacrifice for their country - let the poor do their dirty work. Cheney only had about 1,000 deferments during the Viet Nam war.
Oct 3rd, 2006, 06:28 AM
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What link - the newsletter?
I kind of screwed them up - carefully recopying them from the newsletter:
"To subscribe":
News From France
French Embassy Press @ Information Service;
4101 Resevoir Road, NW
Washington DC 20007-2182
e-mail: [email protected]
www.ambafrance-us.org
www.france.diplomatie.fr - this one i screwed up in OP - eyes are going as i get older you know!
I kind of screwed them up - carefully recopying them from the newsletter:
"To subscribe":
News From France
French Embassy Press @ Information Service;
4101 Resevoir Road, NW
Washington DC 20007-2182
e-mail: [email protected]
www.ambafrance-us.org
www.france.diplomatie.fr - this one i screwed up in OP - eyes are going as i get older you know!
Oct 3rd, 2006, 06:59 AM
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Hi Hanl:
Good question, why don't they just leave the food out and let them go at it? Problem is, even though domesticated, they still have the wild instinct and will only gorge themselves in the fall when they "think" they need to fly long distances for the winter. Ducks and geese actually store fat in their liver and in their skin (in the skin helps them remain waterproof and warm) and the meat is quite fat free. Therefore, they will enlarge their livers of their own accord in the fall but not in the rest of the year. Of course even ducks and geese will stop at some point where the liver may not be as large as needed. Curiously, I suspect that the fall is the best season for the foie because of the natural instinct of the birds to "fill up" for the flight south.
But the point is well taken about criticizing France when your own country is guilt free. A North American slaughterhouse is probably one of the most disgusting things on Earth.
Good question, why don't they just leave the food out and let them go at it? Problem is, even though domesticated, they still have the wild instinct and will only gorge themselves in the fall when they "think" they need to fly long distances for the winter. Ducks and geese actually store fat in their liver and in their skin (in the skin helps them remain waterproof and warm) and the meat is quite fat free. Therefore, they will enlarge their livers of their own accord in the fall but not in the rest of the year. Of course even ducks and geese will stop at some point where the liver may not be as large as needed. Curiously, I suspect that the fall is the best season for the foie because of the natural instinct of the birds to "fill up" for the flight south.
But the point is well taken about criticizing France when your own country is guilt free. A North American slaughterhouse is probably one of the most disgusting things on Earth.
Oct 3rd, 2006, 07:01 AM
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Good question - let's see how we can relate them...
Cheney and W are above the actual killing fields so seemingly have little knowledge of the great suffering they are inflicting on Iraquis and American GIs
Foi Gras eaters comfortably sit removed from the killing fields dining on their gourmet pate, oblivious or not caring of the horrible abuse inflicted on poor animals - i've seen films that were documentaries on foi gras - objective without an attitude and they literally stuff the gruel down their throats - it's not a pleasant sight.
But about the price of foi gras? Well if demand falls due to human consciousness then the price will fall as well. Or if banned the price will rise in the inevitable black market.
Cheney and W are above the actual killing fields so seemingly have little knowledge of the great suffering they are inflicting on Iraquis and American GIs
Foi Gras eaters comfortably sit removed from the killing fields dining on their gourmet pate, oblivious or not caring of the horrible abuse inflicted on poor animals - i've seen films that were documentaries on foi gras - objective without an attitude and they literally stuff the gruel down their throats - it's not a pleasant sight.
But about the price of foi gras? Well if demand falls due to human consciousness then the price will fall as well. Or if banned the price will rise in the inevitable black market.
Oct 3rd, 2006, 07:24 AM
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It could be worse - recently on PBS tv they showed cats and dogs in China in cages then being dropped live into boiling vats of oil. I could argue that that type of death is no more cruel than North American slaughter houses - yet i think even few of the foi gras supporters would condone the Chinese boiling of life cats and dogs - well to me geese, dogs and cats all should be treated humanely.
Oct 3rd, 2006, 07:38 AM
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It's an openair market where you see the dogs or cats packed into cages in which they can hardly move and the client selects one and...
'how well done do you want that dog or cat mam?' Dog and cat are gourmet foods i guess in China.
'how well done do you want that dog or cat mam?' Dog and cat are gourmet foods i guess in China.
