Dining in a French home: etiquette
Oct 3rd, 2011, 08:34 AM
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French son says he cannot remember the rule about arms being on the table or not - he cannot remember but thinks in France you are supposed to have your arms on the table but could be reverse.
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and he says foreigners who do not use the knife as a tool look barbaric - use the knife to push food, etc - Americans only use the fork - so he = born and raised in France - says this is the main difference.
That said in zillions of times in his house and of his relatives and friends I have never used a knife in this way and never will - just would seem clumsy to moi.
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and he says foreigners who do not use the knife as a tool look barbaric - use the knife to push food, etc - Americans only use the fork - so he = born and raised in France - says this is the main difference.
That said in zillions of times in his house and of his relatives and friends I have never used a knife in this way and never will - just would seem clumsy to moi.
Oct 3rd, 2011, 08:51 AM
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Americans don't use knives to push food? Switch hands when they eat?
I was first told I ate like a European by my boyfriend in high school. I had never noticed people switched their fork around. Then again, I am left handed. But this is the first I have heard about not using the knife as a tool.
I live in a bubble.
I was first told I ate like a European by my boyfriend in high school. I had never noticed people switched their fork around. Then again, I am left handed. But this is the first I have heard about not using the knife as a tool.
I live in a bubble.
Oct 3rd, 2011, 10:59 AM
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lighten up,keroac. We're talking about 16 year old kids hosting their French exchange students for burghers & fries - which in American fast food places are not normally eaten with utensils. Since this particular food chain also serves lots of other foods that do call for a fork, the US kids just made sure no forks were given to their table thus encouraging their guests to eat American style.
Oct 3rd, 2011, 11:45 AM
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I think a typical teen-ager always wants to desperately fit in and thus French teens would want to eat like Americans did and not be a spectacle - thus in this situation I think it proper to inform French kids they will be looked on like dorks if they use a fork to eat french fries and or BigMacs - when my French son was young he did indeed dissect a hamburger - eating its constituent parts separately.
Oct 3rd, 2011, 12:39 PM
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"Burgers and fries" in fast food places are not eaten with utensils in France either, so I really do not understand this discussion.
And in a "real" restaurant, a huge(for example) "mushroom burger with roquefort sauce" is eaten with a knife and fork even in the U.S. unless you want juice running down to your elbows. But maybe some you do.
I grew up on the Gulf Coast where we ate just about every fried greasy or boiled item with our fingers -- shrimp, hush puppies, crabs, crawfish, fried oysters, fried speckled trout, french fries -- so I have probably eaten more with my bare hands than most people here.
And in a "real" restaurant, a huge(for example) "mushroom burger with roquefort sauce" is eaten with a knife and fork even in the U.S. unless you want juice running down to your elbows. But maybe some you do.
I grew up on the Gulf Coast where we ate just about every fried greasy or boiled item with our fingers -- shrimp, hush puppies, crabs, crawfish, fried oysters, fried speckled trout, french fries -- so I have probably eaten more with my bare hands than most people here.
Oct 3rd, 2011, 01:06 PM
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<i>Il existait en 2007 83 points de vente de sandwichs pour 1 point de vente de hamburgers et, à nombre identique de points de ventes, il s’est vendu 0,1 sandwich pour 1 hamburger (90 millions de hambugers au total)</i>
In the sole year 2007 <b>90 millions hamburgers</b> were sold in France. The French eat them with their fingers like you do. I've never seen anyone using ustensils to eat a hamburger in France.
<i>My daugheter still talks about how difficult it was to get the kids from Normandy to eat without a fork</i>
When did that happen? 30 years ago, 40 years ago?
In the sole year 2007 <b>90 millions hamburgers</b> were sold in France. The French eat them with their fingers like you do. I've never seen anyone using ustensils to eat a hamburger in France.
<i>My daugheter still talks about how difficult it was to get the kids from Normandy to eat without a fork</i>
When did that happen? 30 years ago, 40 years ago?
Oct 3rd, 2011, 07:32 PM
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Well, I couldn't find the referenced article on Bonjour Paris, but I think I know enough of what it said from the posts here. Good grief, if you're invited to dinner in a French home, enjoy. These prissy, arbitrary rules remind me of Polly Platt -- may she rest in peace -- who warned never to use the bathroom in a French home.
I grew up in a world that may not even exist anymore, for all I know. I know it doesn't exist for me. I had calling cards when I was nine years old. We "called"; it was expected.
I'm telling you this only to emphasize that there are all sorts of ways people live. Arguably, none is superior. They are different -- that's all. I'm told I have a lucid view. My American friends might not agree.
I wonder where some of these ideas about the French arise. They aren't extraterrestrials. I do recall that the first few French homes to which I was invited, they offered me a tour.
Mimar, you might enjoy yourself more if you lose that chip on your shoulder regarding the French.
I am of the school that says, first you learn the rules, then you have license to break them.
I love eating with my hands. I lived in a neighborhood in Washington that harbored most of the first Ethiopian restaurants, and it remains one of my favorite foods.
However, I can dissect a chicken with a knife and fork. I did this in a restaurant in Paris one night, and the patron said, "Pick it up -- you are in France." The idea of the French living in some rarified atmosphere is an American concept.
Enough of that, lest I forget the most important. Kerouac, your tribute to your friend Donna was without a doubt the most impressive thing I've ever read on Fodors, in terms of the photography, the sentiments expressed, the writing. I thank you for sharing it.
I grew up in a world that may not even exist anymore, for all I know. I know it doesn't exist for me. I had calling cards when I was nine years old. We "called"; it was expected.
I'm telling you this only to emphasize that there are all sorts of ways people live. Arguably, none is superior. They are different -- that's all. I'm told I have a lucid view. My American friends might not agree.
I wonder where some of these ideas about the French arise. They aren't extraterrestrials. I do recall that the first few French homes to which I was invited, they offered me a tour.
Mimar, you might enjoy yourself more if you lose that chip on your shoulder regarding the French.
I am of the school that says, first you learn the rules, then you have license to break them.
I love eating with my hands. I lived in a neighborhood in Washington that harbored most of the first Ethiopian restaurants, and it remains one of my favorite foods.
However, I can dissect a chicken with a knife and fork. I did this in a restaurant in Paris one night, and the patron said, "Pick it up -- you are in France." The idea of the French living in some rarified atmosphere is an American concept.
Enough of that, lest I forget the most important. Kerouac, your tribute to your friend Donna was without a doubt the most impressive thing I've ever read on Fodors, in terms of the photography, the sentiments expressed, the writing. I thank you for sharing it.
Oct 4th, 2011, 10:18 AM
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Polly Platt obituary | Film | The Guardian
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Oct 4th, 2011, 12:28 PM
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My daugheter still talks about how difficult it was to get the kids from Normandy to eat without a fork
When did that happen? 30 years ago, 40 years ago?
No, Askar01 - this was in May 2000.
The burgers at Johnny Rockets are pretty messy but that wasn't their focus - it was the melted cheese on the fries that gave the French kids pause. And I guess made some kind of impression on them. I met our student guest last year in Paris and we ate a lovely meal at Bofinger's - Sylvain was still laughing about messy fries without a fork.
When did that happen? 30 years ago, 40 years ago?
No, Askar01 - this was in May 2000.
The burgers at Johnny Rockets are pretty messy but that wasn't their focus - it was the melted cheese on the fries that gave the French kids pause. And I guess made some kind of impression on them. I met our student guest last year in Paris and we ate a lovely meal at Bofinger's - Sylvain was still laughing about messy fries without a fork.
