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Nov 2nd, 2015, 02:29 AM
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>>Soccer finally is taking hold in the US after 500 years of European invasion.<<
The jury's still out on how much hold its taking.
>>The NFL wants to infect Europeans with the football malaise. They are panicked because football is doomed in the US because of the injuries.
it's doomed, IMHO, because it's just so darned dull.<<
You can buy a franchise in this doomed sport for between $2B-$4B. A sure sign of its imminent demise.
The jury's still out on how much hold its taking.
>>The NFL wants to infect Europeans with the football malaise. They are panicked because football is doomed in the US because of the injuries.
it's doomed, IMHO, because it's just so darned dull.<<
You can buy a franchise in this doomed sport for between $2B-$4B. A sure sign of its imminent demise.
Nov 2nd, 2015, 02:37 AM
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Heimdall - you'll be aware that following a number of highly publicised cases there are serious concerns about concussion in RU circles with a new protocol for checking players who have received head impacts.
RU players are getting bigger, IMO one of the effects of allowing rolling subs so that players don't have to be able to play a full 80 mins. You provide a good reason for rugby to avoid going down the NFL route, which has had the tragic consequences that you identify.
RU players are getting bigger, IMO one of the effects of allowing rolling subs so that players don't have to be able to play a full 80 mins. You provide a good reason for rugby to avoid going down the NFL route, which has had the tragic consequences that you identify.
Nov 2nd, 2015, 03:02 AM
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The NFL has already made rules changes to lessen concussions and other injuries. Expect more such changes. I fully expect they'll adopt some of the college rules that ban certain types of tackles that strike the head. Players who commit violations are immediately ejected from the game.
BTW, the majority of on-field football deaths are the result of undetected cardiac ailments, not from blunt-force trauma.
BTW, the majority of on-field football deaths are the result of undetected cardiac ailments, not from blunt-force trauma.
Nov 2nd, 2015, 03:40 AM
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<i>BTW, the majority of on-field football deaths are the result of undetected cardiac ailments, not from blunt-force trauma.</i>
Maybe so, vincenzo32951, but the five deaths in 2014 were from head and spine injuries. In addition to those, there were another six deaths from indirect causes, including three that were heart related.
The story I took these figures from is:
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/10/09/fo...otball-deaths/
Maybe so, vincenzo32951, but the five deaths in 2014 were from head and spine injuries. In addition to those, there were another six deaths from indirect causes, including three that were heart related.
The story I took these figures from is:
http://edition.cnn.com/2015/10/09/fo...otball-deaths/
Nov 2nd, 2015, 03:49 AM
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What point does it serve to take a small sample from one year, other than to support your own biases?
Another source: http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/23/health...otball-deaths/
Note the last sentence:
"From 2003 to 2013, there were 514 deaths among NCAA athletes, and 79 cardiac arrests among them, said Dr. Kim Harmon, a sports medicine doctor with the University of Washington who has tracked sudden deaths in college athletes for the National Collegiate Athletic Association. That's about eight deaths from cardiac arrest every year.
In that same 10-year period, there were four deaths from head injuries, Harmon said."
Another source: http://www.cnn.com/2015/10/23/health...otball-deaths/
Note the last sentence:
"From 2003 to 2013, there were 514 deaths among NCAA athletes, and 79 cardiac arrests among them, said Dr. Kim Harmon, a sports medicine doctor with the University of Washington who has tracked sudden deaths in college athletes for the National Collegiate Athletic Association. That's about eight deaths from cardiac arrest every year.
In that same 10-year period, there were four deaths from head injuries, Harmon said."
Nov 2nd, 2015, 05:40 AM
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Every sport sounds stupid if you try to explain it to someone who doesn't know it. A lot like religion.
It is pure folly to compare two or more sports and claim victory for one.
The exception is that idiotic Olympic sport with the ribbon twirling.
It is pure folly to compare two or more sports and claim victory for one.
The exception is that idiotic Olympic sport with the ribbon twirling.
Nov 2nd, 2015, 06:40 AM
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>>Every sport sounds stupid if you try to explain it to someone who doesn't know it. A lot like religion.<<
Just try to explain cricket to a newbie
I enjoy almost every sport - Rugby, baseball, cricket, Formula 1, Amurikin football, footie, basketball, Track & Field (Athletics), golf, tennis - you name it. Not a big Nascar fan.
American football is definitely a niche sport in Europe -- but it does completely sell out Wembley 2 or 3 times every year so there are more fans than some of you may think.
Just try to explain cricket to a newbie
I enjoy almost every sport - Rugby, baseball, cricket, Formula 1, Amurikin football, footie, basketball, Track & Field (Athletics), golf, tennis - you name it. Not a big Nascar fan.
American football is definitely a niche sport in Europe -- but it does completely sell out Wembley 2 or 3 times every year so there are more fans than some of you may think.
Nov 2nd, 2015, 09:40 AM
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If you look back at my reply, vincenzo, you will see it starts: "Maybe so, vincenzo32951..." In other words, I was agreeing with you, so you are arguing with yourself.
Go back and read your own link, and click on the sentence in blue letters: "Keeping young players safe on the football field". The artical was about head and spinal injuries.
Go back and read your own link, and click on the sentence in blue letters: "Keeping young players safe on the football field". The artical was about head and spinal injuries.
Nov 2nd, 2015, 10:07 AM
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I enjoy almost every sport - Rugby, baseball, cricket, Formula 1, Amirikin football, footie, basketball, Track & Field (Athletics), golf, tennis - you name it. Not a big Nascar fan.>
How about Lacrosse, said now to be America's #2 participatory sport behind soccer for the under 18 crowd?
How about Lacrosse, said now to be America's #2 participatory sport behind soccer for the under 18 crowd?
Nov 2nd, 2015, 11:40 AM
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BTW, the majority of on-field football deaths are the result of undetected cardiac ailments, not from blunt-force trauma>
Yes but the danger of concussions - especially repeatedly suffered - comes years later with senility (me for example!), depression, maybe Parkinson's disease like Ali perhaps, etc.
Concussions IMO present far more problems for far more players - especially NFL players who beat their heads into a wall for years - helmets apparently have reached their maximum amount of improvement and with bigger and faster players and playing surface that allow faster running the problem is getting worst not better many say.
Pres Gerald Ford played football - center I think - without a helmet or practically none, leading LBJ to later quip that "Ford played football too long without a helmet".
Silly to argue about which is worse - cardiac arrests or concussions as both present their own problems.
The NFL is desperate to help on concussions as their prevalence threatens its very existence with multiple law suits down the line expected. Many parents are not allowing their kids to play tackle football - going into soccer or lacrosse, etc instead.
Yes but the danger of concussions - especially repeatedly suffered - comes years later with senility (me for example!), depression, maybe Parkinson's disease like Ali perhaps, etc.
Concussions IMO present far more problems for far more players - especially NFL players who beat their heads into a wall for years - helmets apparently have reached their maximum amount of improvement and with bigger and faster players and playing surface that allow faster running the problem is getting worst not better many say.
Pres Gerald Ford played football - center I think - without a helmet or practically none, leading LBJ to later quip that "Ford played football too long without a helmet".
Silly to argue about which is worse - cardiac arrests or concussions as both present their own problems.
The NFL is desperate to help on concussions as their prevalence threatens its very existence with multiple law suits down the line expected. Many parents are not allowing their kids to play tackle football - going into soccer or lacrosse, etc instead.
Nov 2nd, 2015, 12:20 PM
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Okay, I will. The point you have been missing all along is that I wrote about "deaths in high school football <i>directly related to the sport</i>". My post was in reply to the statement about "body armour".
A cardiac arrest is caused by an underlying cardiac abnormality, not a football injury. It can occur not just in football, but in basketball and other strenuous sports, and even in everyday activities.
Note that I never disputed your references, even though they were completely irrelevant.
A cardiac arrest is caused by an underlying cardiac abnormality, not a football injury. It can occur not just in football, but in basketball and other strenuous sports, and even in everyday activities.
Note that I never disputed your references, even though they were completely irrelevant.
Nov 2nd, 2015, 01:22 PM
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How many of those football players with congenital heart problems would have collapsed in another way during their adolescent years - football just happened to be the sport but it could have been a baseball to the chest or something in gym class or even a schoolyard brawl.
Nov 2nd, 2015, 10:52 PM
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How many of those football players with congenital heart problems would have collapsed in another way during their adolescent years?>>
That is one of those imponderables, Pal. but the risk of head injury [and in a rugby scrum of spinal injuries, as happened to a local lad a few years ago] is very real.
Heimdall, it hadn't occurred to me before you mentioned it, but one of the reasons behind the new head injury protocol may well be the fear of legal action. Which if it makes the sport safer is ok by me.
That is one of those imponderables, Pal. but the risk of head injury [and in a rugby scrum of spinal injuries, as happened to a local lad a few years ago] is very real.
Heimdall, it hadn't occurred to me before you mentioned it, but one of the reasons behind the new head injury protocol may well be the fear of legal action. Which if it makes the sport safer is ok by me.
Nov 3rd, 2015, 06:30 AM
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Which if it makes the sport safer is ok by me.>
But less interesting to the blood thirsty fans - ice hockey has grappled with stopping the prevalent fighting with blows to the head but fear fans will not be so excited about coming to the games.
Maybe go to touch football?
But less interesting to the blood thirsty fans - ice hockey has grappled with stopping the prevalent fighting with blows to the head but fear fans will not be so excited about coming to the games.
Maybe go to touch football?
Nov 3rd, 2015, 07:43 AM
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Looks like an additional stadium, and one more game, next year (in addition to the number at Wembley.) And in 2018, three stadiums will host games.
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/201...rican-football
http://www.theguardian.com/sport/201...rican-football
