delta or air france?

Apr 30th, 2006, 10:45 PM
Join Date: Aug 2005
Posts: 3,411
What is the status on Delta and the pilots' contract, bankruptcy, etc? Something you probably want to check.

Delta cancelled our flight entirely and replaced it with an extra stopover on our flight, so we had to convince them to change us yet again to a single stopover, which is what we had paid for.
5alive is offline  
May 1st, 2006, 04:53 AM
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 1,542
My bad, rkkwan is right! There are indeed 2 flights - 1 operated by AF on an A340 and 1 by DL on a B777.

The Air France flight should have the new business class seats, but I would check with Air France.

Hope this helps,
Andre is offline  
May 1st, 2006, 05:23 AM
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 469
I have flown both AF and Delta to class and economy. I've had variable experiences with every flight...some good...some bad. I think it depends on the particular plane they use that day for that route and the particular flight crew and caterer.

On my business class flight with AF on a 747 the seats were horribly old and the plane in general was very shabby. No TV screens on the seatbacks. The food was nothing special.

On my business class flight with Delta, it was a newer plane, better food, seatback TV's.

However, there are no guarantees with any airline on a day to day basis, in my opinion.

I think the most important reason to go business class is that you know you will be guaranteed a larger seat and more legroom. Beyond that, don't count on anything else.

Just be happy for a safe and on-time flight.
suntravler is offline  
May 1st, 2006, 05:42 AM
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 1,542
Even the old business class interiors on the Air France 747s most certainly do have individual TVs - they're just not on the seatback in front of you but stowed in your armrest.

The new interiors have larger screens and video-on-demand however.

That said, I would probably take Delta becaus of its more humane schedule - the Air France flight leaves too early for you to be tired enough to fall sleep shortly after meal service and lands in Paris at the ungodly hour of 6:25 AM...

Hope this helps,
Andre is offline  
May 1st, 2006, 07:41 AM
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 215
this was not good news to me after our fiasco with Delta to Greece last October.

After that I said never again on Delta but guess what...I was hoodwinked and I AM doing Delta again....bummer..

I guess I could hope for a more pleasant experience. I will think positive thoughts. Do ya think it will help???
Areala is offline  
May 1st, 2006, 07:52 AM
Join Date: Feb 2006
Posts: 52
To CarolA - I misspoke, it was Business Class on Delta. There was no increase in price for the new tickets - also Business Class on Delta. However. there was also no credit appearing on our credit card statements when we were put in coach.
I'd be interested in hearing just how other people manage to use FF points for international flights on Delta. We are considering cancelling our Amex Skymiles cards since no matter how early we make reservations, there is never anything available and we end up using them on domestic flights.
Rmkelly313 is offline  
May 1st, 2006, 08:00 AM
Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 215
WOW.. I am surprised nothing is available for you to use your skymile. I used mine twice so far, not this year, this year I am using my citicards FF points and no problem their either.

What I do is look for the flights I want first with flight numbers. I usually have jotted down a couple of alternatives just incase the one I want is booked (never has been though) then I call in and book my flights. Really, I never had a problem. I went to Greece last year and Italy the year before using my skymiles. Now I am building them up again for Italy again in 2008 with my sister. Next year in 2007 I will use my citicard miles for New Zealand with DH.

What I don't understand, at least with citicards and international flight is 50,000 points to Paris or Rome, and to upgrade to 1st class is another 50,000 points. As much as I would like to upgrade to 1st class I can't bear to give up the points when those 50,000 points to upgrade can get me to europe again.

Does anyone know of other ways to upgrade to 1st class.
Areala is offline  
May 1st, 2006, 08:04 AM
Join Date: Jul 2003
Posts: 45
I have a real low opinion of Delta, having had the misfortune of flying with them on a couple of occasions. Old planes, poor food and terrible delays.

I dont want to sound like a antiAmerican or anything, I'm not, but I know that if possible I try and fly a European airline across the atlantic rather than a US one. Virgin, BA and KLM anytime I fly with them all seem to have nicer, newer planes than the US carriers. There doesnt seem to be much distinction between services and planes on domestic, and increasingly budget like, domestic US routes and those on the international ones.

Maybe Air France are as bad though so I cant really help you there.

Unless discussing it with a company accountant I find it hard to justify the extra cost for business class. It is going to cost a good deal extra to fly business class. Think of the upgrades in meals/hotels you could have with that cash instead. Of course if the funds are there to do both then it is a nicer way to spend 10 hours in a tin can

Have a good trip anyway.
Bigchiefally is offline  
May 1st, 2006, 09:46 AM
Join Date: May 2004
Posts: 249
Will be flying AF economy from JFK to Greece by way of Paris in the fall. Booked with Delta miles but it is an AF flight. However, AF will give me no info on the type of plane and Delta says it isn't their flight so they can't either. Would like to know so I can choose decent seats. Anyone know how I can find info to help me decide? Or has anyone taken this flight and care to comment. This will be our first time with AF. Thanks
mileaday is offline  
May 1st, 2006, 10:44 AM
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 23,074
mileaday - Currently AF has 4 daily flights JFK-CDG.

AF23 is on a 777-200.
AF7 and 9 are 777-300.
AF11 is on a 343-300 right now, but will change to a 747-400 later in the summer.

You can get seatmaps and description on

The best of those types is their new 777-300 on AF7 & 9. The coach seat is the most comfortable I've sat on, with the seat cushion sliding forward when you recline. The armrest is also a little wider, giving you a little more elbow room. Lots of video/audio channels to choose from.
rkkwan is offline  
May 1st, 2006, 10:51 AM
Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 3,291
The main difference: Drinks are $5.00 with Delta.
wally34949 is offline  
May 1st, 2006, 11:06 AM
Join Date: Feb 2004
Posts: 23,074
One can't generalize the comparison between US and European airlines. Well, except for charges for alcohol. So, wally34949 should definitely fly European airlines across the Atlantic.

But for others, not everything about European airlines are better. Just a few examples:

- BA is very stingy with FF miles. You can't even sign up for their FF program on a cheap discount fare! And you can't earn AA miles on BA's London-US flights.

- Lufthansa has no individual screen on any of their longhaul plane in coach.

- Same thing with KLM's older 747-400.

- Many European airlines don't do online check-ins or have kiosks in the US, so you still have to wait in the check-in line. [Conversely, same for many US airlines in Europe. Still US airlines are generally ahead in this area.]

- European airlines aren't as good as US ones in honoring seat assignments. I get my or my family's pre-assigned seats taken away several times.
rkkwan is offline  
May 1st, 2006, 11:11 AM
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 1,844
Well I've been flying Delta for almost 20 years.

Got two award tickets this year, one to London on Virgin in July and another one in business class to Berlin in Sept.

But I'm also buying at least 3 more tickets this year and none of them are on Delta. Actually, two of them are on AF but they are code share and one of them I did book through

One nice thing is AF has a direct flight out of SFO to CDG whereas on Delta, there would be at least one stopover. The AF flight departs in the afternoon while the Delta flights take off really early in the monrings.

Only thing is AF schedules brutal connections at CDG to Italy and Spain.
scrb is offline  
May 1st, 2006, 04:29 PM
Original Poster
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 42
Thanks for all your comments. I'm not sure yet what I will do. Summer
summer is offline  
May 2nd, 2006, 12:28 PM
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 12,839
I believe all (or close to all) of the A340-300 aircraft have been reconfigured, but double check with AF. The map on seatguru shows 7 rows in business, but in some aircraft the business class section actually ends at row 6.

You can call AF 90 days prior to your flight for seat assignments. Advance seat assignments aren't available in economy for intra-Europe flights, just transatlantic.
Patty is offline  
May 3rd, 2006, 08:36 AM
Join Date: Mar 2006
Posts: 7
We are flying JFK-CDG July 5th...I was able to get one seat for miles (waited a bit too long...around February to do so)but needed to turn in 100,000. For some reason any flight for miles can only be booked on a Delta flight, not AF...this somewhat screwed up our plans, as wanted to fly JFK-CDG-Lyon, which AF does but not are now taking TGV from CDG.
paule is offline  
May 3rd, 2006, 09:24 AM
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 12,839
On a Skyteam/multi airline award using Skymiles, you can fly Delta or Air France or any combination of airlines listed here -

Are you booked in economy for 100,000 miles? If so, that means you have a Skychoice award (double miles) which waives any capacity controls. A Skysaver economy award would have cost 50,000 miles but it's possible there was no award availability for your dates. The Skychoice option is only available on Delta operated flights.
Patty is offline  
May 3rd, 2006, 09:54 AM
Join Date: Jan 2003
Posts: 12,839
Did you purchase a second ticket on the same flight? I assume you have but just in case you haven't, there may still be other options for both of you to fly into LYS for 50,000 per ticket in economy.

If you don't mind flying from EWR, you can do -

July 5 CO 102 EWR-AMS 5:15pm-7:00am+1
July 6 KL 1249 AMS-LYS 9:30am-11:10am

The above flights should have award availablity in economy for 2 passengers. I don't know what your return date and city are so it's possible that there may not be availability to get back, but I'd look into all partner options before spending 100,000 miles on a Skychoice award.
Patty is offline  

Posting Rules
You may not post new threads
You may not post replies
You may not post attachments
You may not edit your posts

BB code is On
Smilies are On
[IMG] code is On
HTML code is Off
Trackbacks are Off
Pingbacks are Off
Refbacks are On

Thread Tools
Search this Thread

Contact Us - Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy -


All times are GMT -8. The time now is 05:49 PM.