CDG- passport control help-
#42

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I suppose that my opinion is skewed by my airline career for a number of reasons.
1. I know my way around most airports on most continents, so I don't lose time with transfers.
2. Having flown standby 95% of the time and having seen check-in continue far beyond the deadline on most flights (while I was praying for it to close on schedule and finally get my boarding pass), I know that every single airline does everything possible to wait for "revenue" passengers who they know are on the way. You know how those people at the desks in the boarding lounge always seem to be on the phone? Those phone calls are coming from other areas of the airport to tell them that more people are on the way.
3. The airlines are very much aware when there is a jam at security and wait for that, too -- or else come and collect their passengers forcibly.
4. Passengers who are "lucky" enough to be among the final arrivals have the best chance of being upgraded. And if you miss your connection, you are often upgraded on the following flight as well.
1. I know my way around most airports on most continents, so I don't lose time with transfers.
2. Having flown standby 95% of the time and having seen check-in continue far beyond the deadline on most flights (while I was praying for it to close on schedule and finally get my boarding pass), I know that every single airline does everything possible to wait for "revenue" passengers who they know are on the way. You know how those people at the desks in the boarding lounge always seem to be on the phone? Those phone calls are coming from other areas of the airport to tell them that more people are on the way.
3. The airlines are very much aware when there is a jam at security and wait for that, too -- or else come and collect their passengers forcibly.
4. Passengers who are "lucky" enough to be among the final arrivals have the best chance of being upgraded. And if you miss your connection, you are often upgraded on the following flight as well.
#43
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My wife & FIL missed a connecting flight from Dallas to SFO a few years ago. They had "purchased" business class (may have been 1st class) seats next to each other on the flight they missed. They were put on the next flight in regular coach - and not sitting next to each other. The purchased business class seats were frequent flyer upgrades - but he did not have enough miles, so he paid an extra $75 for the needed "miles" to get business class. He was never compensated for this $75 nor were the miles put back into his account.
Stu Dudley
Stu Dudley
#44
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each time I have missed a connection - again according to the definition of flying on a same ticket - I have been taken care of by the company.
Including lodging and voucher for food.
Now I never book a special seat and fly mostly economy.
We recently had a 75 min connection in Atlanta. Went ok.
Once we were greeted by an hostess who brought us from our plane to the next in order to avoid any delay.
For people who like to be sure I'd recommend a sleep over and a short visit where one lands.
Including lodging and voucher for food.
Now I never book a special seat and fly mostly economy.
We recently had a 75 min connection in Atlanta. Went ok.
Once we were greeted by an hostess who brought us from our plane to the next in order to avoid any delay.
For people who like to be sure I'd recommend a sleep over and a short visit where one lands.
#48

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The mileage for the upgrade should've been credited back to the account. Did he contact the airline after the incident? I've received pro rata mileage credit for downgraded segments on award/upgraded tickets due to misconnects. The misconnects were not due to the fault of the airlines involved. I could've also opted to wait for the next available flight with business/first seats. I had to email the airline each time. The mileage refunds were not automatic.
#49
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Just went through there yesterday and connection shave improved with secured passageways that in many cases do NOT make you go "outside" secure area anymore between "E and F. I missed the turnoff myself.. but it still was fairly easy and just a ways to walk regardless.
If you arrive on time you should be fine. We were lucky and our plane from ATL hooked up to direct access, no bus.
CDG has improved greatly. Much better than before.
If you arrive on time you should be fine. We were lucky and our plane from ATL hooked up to direct access, no bus.
CDG has improved greatly. Much better than before.
#50
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>> I could've also opted to wait for the next available flight with business/first seats.<<
My FIL was 90 years old at the time. The airline offered them business class seats on a flight the next day. They didn't want to stay overnight in Dallas, so they took the flight on the same day. He never tried to get the airline to put the miles back into his account. He was flying from Indiana to Calif. to permanently move and live near us in Calif. He figured that this would be the last flight he would ever take - one of the reasons he paid extra $$ for the business seats. He hasn't flown since then.
Stu Dudley
My FIL was 90 years old at the time. The airline offered them business class seats on a flight the next day. They didn't want to stay overnight in Dallas, so they took the flight on the same day. He never tried to get the airline to put the miles back into his account. He was flying from Indiana to Calif. to permanently move and live near us in Calif. He figured that this would be the last flight he would ever take - one of the reasons he paid extra $$ for the business seats. He hasn't flown since then.
Stu Dudley
#51
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In the wake of events, such as the unthinkable that happened in Paris on 11/13,
http://www.fodors.com/community/euro...nder-seige.cfm
sudden additional airport security delay can be expected:
http://mashable.com/2015/11/14/charl.../#FOp9fNg_kOqO
http://www.fodors.com/community/euro...nder-seige.cfm
sudden additional airport security delay can be expected:
http://mashable.com/2015/11/14/charl.../#FOp9fNg_kOqO
#52
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I'm still waiting for an answer to my question.
I have a non-Schengen-to-non-Schengen, all Air France, connection (from London to Havana), which the CDG site is absolutely clear arrives at 2E, and leaves from 2F. As is my travel agent, who's guided me through lots of the world's trickier destinations, and who's frequently flown from Britain to Cuba via France.
It matters not a flea's fart what posters' experience of a Schengen to non-Schengen transfer might be. brdcollie claims that "Moving between terminals 2F and 2E involves a bus, elevators, passport control, security checkpoints, and long walks"
When challenged, brdcollie says his or her evidence for this bizarre claim is ONE flight from Venice (which is in Schengen) to Atlanta - which isn't
brdcollie is presumably American, so presumably can't understand English, how airports in the civilised world work, or how to answer a straightforward question.
But bredcollie DID assert a series of claims, not about Schengen to non-Schengen transfers, but about ALL transfers between 2E and 2F.
Is brdcollie just - as so often from Yanks badmouthing France - shooting his or her mouth off about one, utterly irrelevant, experience. Or does he or she believe he or she knows what he or she's pontificating about?
I have a non-Schengen-to-non-Schengen, all Air France, connection (from London to Havana), which the CDG site is absolutely clear arrives at 2E, and leaves from 2F. As is my travel agent, who's guided me through lots of the world's trickier destinations, and who's frequently flown from Britain to Cuba via France.
It matters not a flea's fart what posters' experience of a Schengen to non-Schengen transfer might be. brdcollie claims that "Moving between terminals 2F and 2E involves a bus, elevators, passport control, security checkpoints, and long walks"
When challenged, brdcollie says his or her evidence for this bizarre claim is ONE flight from Venice (which is in Schengen) to Atlanta - which isn't
brdcollie is presumably American, so presumably can't understand English, how airports in the civilised world work, or how to answer a straightforward question.
But bredcollie DID assert a series of claims, not about Schengen to non-Schengen transfers, but about ALL transfers between 2E and 2F.
Is brdcollie just - as so often from Yanks badmouthing France - shooting his or her mouth off about one, utterly irrelevant, experience. Or does he or she believe he or she knows what he or she's pontificating about?
#53
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Flanneruk, I was responding to the OP's specific question regarding someone with recent experience on a Delta/AF connection for US bound flights from CDG T2E. Nevertheless, CDG is still one of the worst airports for connections to North America. Pleasant travel on your upcoming trip.
#55

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<i>I'm still waiting for an answer to my question.</i>
I mentioned this upthread but your flight to HAV actually departs from 2E not 2F. Some of AF's non-Schengen flights use 2F to check-in and are therefore listed that way but the aircraft boards from 2E. As a transit passenger, you wouldn't leave 2E.
Moving between 2F and 2E or vice versa will always involve passport control as 2F is entirely devoted to Schengen flights and 2E is entirely devoted to non-Schengen flights.
I mentioned this upthread but your flight to HAV actually departs from 2E not 2F. Some of AF's non-Schengen flights use 2F to check-in and are therefore listed that way but the aircraft boards from 2E. As a transit passenger, you wouldn't leave 2E.
Moving between 2F and 2E or vice versa will always involve passport control as 2F is entirely devoted to Schengen flights and 2E is entirely devoted to non-Schengen flights.




