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Old Aug 28th, 2009 | 06:50 AM
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Car Clamping

I want to write to fellow travelers to warn you of a practice being allowed in England-car clamping. If you are going to England soon be sure to research car clamping. My rental car was clamped in Haworth, England. It was totally unjustified and I had no recourse. They make the rules and will not listen to any reasonable conversation. The man who put a clamp on my car was very mean and tried to intimidate me. He did a good job of that. This just happened to me last week. I've been to 7 countries in the past two years and this is my worst experience from all my travels. I've been to Britain 6 times and had never encountered this. I usually rent a car and have had to park in many cities and areas. I would expect this to happen somewhere else, no offense to other countries, but not in England. I know that there will be people from Britain who will say that it happens when you park somewhere not lawful. I understand that argument, however this was not my case. I was in an official looking car park and had paid for the whole day. I can't write all the details, they would be too long. If someone had warned me, I could have been on my guard. If you are going to Haworth, do not park in the car park just opposite the Edinburgh Woolen Company. By the way, I had to pay well over 100 USD.
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Old Aug 28th, 2009 | 07:13 AM
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'By the way, I had to pay well over 100 USD.'

Only $100? Going rate for clamp release fee is £200 to £300 (or $325 to $490).
In England, there is no effective control of clampers operating on private properties, and they can, and do, charge what they like. Provided there was a clear sign warning you of clamping, and you did contravene the rules, you have no choice but to pay, and police won't do anything - it's a private matter, they say.
Clamping on private grounds has been outlawed in Scotland, so you will be safe there.
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Old Aug 28th, 2009 | 07:14 AM
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This is a very useful warning. You do have to read the signs very carefully. You can also buy a ticket at a machine in the street but inadvertently park in an adjacent area which is not covered by the ticket.

Did you overstay the time on your ticket? They warn about this on the website for the Keighley and Worth Valley Railway. At the bottom of this web page http://www.kwvr.co.uk/
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Old Aug 28th, 2009 | 08:05 AM
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I am thankful it wasn't more. I've read blogs on this topic and others have had to pay a lot more. I think what bothers me is the fact that I knew the police would not help me and when you are a visitor in another country it's very disheartening. I did not overstay my time. The man claimed I was over a line, which was not clearly marked. He admitted mud was covering the line. He also claimed he couldn't use the space next to my car. It didn't matter that there was an orange cone in the next space, water sitting and obvious construction work going on in the next space. In afterthought, it seems like a very convenient set-up. As for signs, there was one actually turned away from the car park and none in visible sight of my vehicle. If, as this man claimed, he could not use the space next to my car, then he could have charged me the amount he would have earned for that space, which would be about $10. The bottom line for me is that, as a tourist, I left the nice town of Haworth with a very bad taste in my mouth. I was leaving the next day so there was not much I could do about this whole matter.
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Old Aug 28th, 2009 | 08:23 AM
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It is not clear whether this is a local authority car park or a private car park but they absolutely depend on tourists in the area. I suggest you write to the clerk of the Parish Council and set out your experience and your objections. It is not easy for them to know how staff behave unless the public tell them. You may not get a refund but it is worth a try.

Here is the contact information.

http://www.bradford.gov.uk/asp/counc...arish.asp?id=8

Your warning is very helpful for others.

I don't know who runs the Haworth Village website but there is no information on parking at all. http://www.haworth-village.org.uk/
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Old Aug 28th, 2009 | 09:25 AM
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Thank you for the contact info. I thought immediately that someone on the town council needed to know but with a flight to make the next morning, I couldn't stay to resolve it. Another blog reveals that this particular man's tactic is to clamp cars on the weekend, late in the day, which is what happened to us.
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Old Aug 28th, 2009 | 10:59 AM
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Tripadvisor also has some threads on this:

http://www.tripadvisor.co.uk/ShowTop...e_England.html
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Old Aug 28th, 2009 | 11:37 AM
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The car park owner is quite a local and national celebrity:
http://www.thetelegraphandargus.co.u...turns_TV_star/
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Old Aug 28th, 2009 | 11:48 AM
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You could reinforce the point by complaining to Bradford Council
via
http://www.bradford.gov.uk/contact_u...s_compliments/

They might be interested to hear what a bad impression this man makes on tourists.
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Old Aug 28th, 2009 | 12:23 PM
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Wow, wish I had seen the Tripadvisor posts before my trip.
Thanks for all the moral support here. This won't get me down! I'll be traveling again soon.
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Old Aug 28th, 2009 | 12:23 PM
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If he wasn't displaying a properly visible sign, there might be grounds for some sort of legal claim, but no doubt it would be a "he said, she said" situation, and not easy to pursue at a distance. Could be worth a complaint to the local Trading Standards Office, though.
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Old Aug 28th, 2009 | 07:01 PM
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I was going to say what Patrick said.

It is out of control. I believe some new law is being drafted.



http://www.channel4.com/news/article...olapos/3316662

You might also consider writing tot he local paper, giving the name of the company and saying how you would have spent the money in local shops had you not been clamped.

I think the intimidation is illegal - but not easy to do anything about it now.

Sorry this happened and good that you have warned others.
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Old Aug 28th, 2009 | 07:09 PM
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I always wondered if you called a tow truck and had your car towed away, would the clamper want to take his clamp off before it was towed or you could take it to a garage and have it cut off.
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Old Aug 29th, 2009 | 12:23 AM
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You can't cut off a clamp - it's criminal damage.
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Old Aug 29th, 2009 | 12:40 AM
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You can't cut off a clamp - it's criminal damage.>>>

And is NEVER persued. Plod hate clampers as much as anyone else. We just tell them to put it down as a business expense.

Just don't tell 'em I told you this.
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Old Aug 29th, 2009 | 02:59 AM
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"And is NEVER persued."

I'm sure that's true in the Met - where the poliss, for all its many faults, are sort of sensible and aren't short of other ways of finding things they can rack up as overtime.

But some other constabularies (North Wales springs to mind) do have a tendency to pursue cases to a point of insanity - even when it's completely against their interests to do so.

I'd make sure my local constabules shared CW's attitude to clamperscum before getting out the hacksaw.
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Old Aug 29th, 2009 | 04:44 AM
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I followed a link from the bottom of the article Alec refers to and Mr Evans who used to run this business says he has been hit by rogue clampers who have been clamping his customers.

A tow truck to remove the clamp would cost more than paying this fine, whether it is legal or not.

This place only has a parish council you would be hard pressed to find a policeman. Heartbeat is fictional.
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Old Aug 29th, 2009 | 05:00 AM
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No it is not out of control it may be a crazy law and a cause of much frustration within the UK it is what happens when a government tries to control every aspect of our lives. UK may be a great place to visit and actually a very pleasant place to live in but our gov. only soultion to a problem is to enact a law and hence we have loads of them drafted very badly.

Watch out for where you park, Brits do, and even avoid areas where controls are too tight
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Old Aug 29th, 2009 | 05:06 AM
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These people are filthy scum that feed off the misery of others.

Bit like traffic wardens and speed camera operators (AKA local constabulary)

The sooner this useless government outlaws these scum clampers the better.
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Old Aug 30th, 2009 | 04:05 AM
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Bolt cutters people. Bolt cutters.

The worst that can happen is you offer to pay for the damage. A padlock is about a tenner. End of.

simples.

If you seriously think that plod (apart from that nutter in North Wales who hates cars) are going to do a thing about it you're dreaming. We don't investigate proper crimes for God's sake.

Just make sure you don't threaten or swear at the operative - cos then it does get busy quickly.

CW - grabbed one by the throat and decked one once. Not wise at a professional level but very satisfying nonetheless (Don't do this. Really. Don't do this.)
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