Can't figure out CDG
#21

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There are 2 peninsulas at 2F, one for Schengen and one for non-Schengen flights. ZRH is non-Schengen so there's no passport control between 2E and non-Schengen 2F if you choose to take the shuttle transfer.
The E80's gates are in the remote boarding area so you need to take a bus to your gate. The E70's gates are at the terminal, but I think you must bus from the gate to the aircraft. It's not going to get any better until the reconstruction of 2E is completed.
With the exception of Air France moving US flights to 2E last year, there really haven't been any recent major changes in connection procedures at CDG terminal 2.
The E80's gates are in the remote boarding area so you need to take a bus to your gate. The E70's gates are at the terminal, but I think you must bus from the gate to the aircraft. It's not going to get any better until the reconstruction of 2E is completed.
With the exception of Air France moving US flights to 2E last year, there really haven't been any recent major changes in connection procedures at CDG terminal 2.
#23
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I recently took a flight on air france from boston to cdg then connecting on to venice. We (2 couples) had a little over an hour between flights to change terminals. I have to admit I was sweating it out after reading many of the postings here. We actually arrived early and I was feeling pretty good about that. At customs, it's true what they say- 1 line for foreigners and 2 for EU people. It did go relatively quick though and we headed for the shuttle bus to take us to the next terminal and were able to get on with no waiting. Man, this is a big airport! We rode for awhile but finally got to our terminal with a little over 1/2 hour to go-still felt comfortable that we would make the plane. Then I saw the 2 security lines with tons of people lined up. I think this is their biggest problem-need more security lines. We waited and waited-finally I went up to an official as it was 7:15 am and the plane due to leave 7:25am and he let us come to the of line. When we got to gate, there was no rush, as they were holding plane for the other passengers stuck in the line and we never even took off til 7:45am. On the way home-this time from Florence to CDG there was a fog delay at CDG so we were unable to take off. I knew there was no way we would be landing before our plane was scheduled to depart for Boston, but as we prepared to land at CDG, a stewardess anounced our names and told everyone to let us off the plane 1st. As we got off the plane there was a van on the tarmac and it took us to our terminal and sent us through a private security gate and right to our gate and on the plane which waited for us. Very nice!
#24
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Yes a much better experience for my MAD-CDG-SFO flight just today.
First, plane from MAD took off about 15 minutes later. Pilot said something about how they don't let planes take off from MAD until at least 7:30 so we delayed from the scheduled 7:15 departure.
Flight time was suppose to be 1:20 according to the pilot so I thought we'd land at 9:00 rather than the scheduled 9:20. My CDG-SFO flight is scheduled for takeoff at 10:15 but in practice, this once daily flight usually leaves about 30 minutes later.
Well we didn't touch ground until 9:20 and we taxied for awhile. Got off the plane a bit after 9:30. On the tarmac were several AF employees with signs for various connections.
They took us in small vans directly to the annex (my gate was E85). Contrast that to my previous trip, which was to go through 2F, winding through several corridors and then taking a long, long bus ride to finally make it out to the same gate, and then real slow loading.
They had passport control and security checkpoint at the new annex now and the queue was nonexistent.
Still got to the gate at about 9:45 and they were loading. Didn't have time for the shops but they were actually open, in contrast to back in early Feb.
AF084 took off about 10:45, 15 minutes later than scheduled, as the plane loaded for a long time. But I was on board early and able to relax, no rushing or sweating through a maze of corridors and a long bus ride.
Now, I don't know if they did the direct shuttle rides because the MAD-CDG flight was slightly late (10-15) minutes and my connection time was only about an hour. Or if they're planning to do this regularly. Hopefully the latter.
On my outbound flight, they gave me a little note apologizing if I would have to take buses between terminals at CDG. So AF at least appears to recognize the problem.
Oh and having status was great at SFO, MAD and CDG (only for the return flight) because of the early boarding.
First, plane from MAD took off about 15 minutes later. Pilot said something about how they don't let planes take off from MAD until at least 7:30 so we delayed from the scheduled 7:15 departure.
Flight time was suppose to be 1:20 according to the pilot so I thought we'd land at 9:00 rather than the scheduled 9:20. My CDG-SFO flight is scheduled for takeoff at 10:15 but in practice, this once daily flight usually leaves about 30 minutes later.
Well we didn't touch ground until 9:20 and we taxied for awhile. Got off the plane a bit after 9:30. On the tarmac were several AF employees with signs for various connections.
They took us in small vans directly to the annex (my gate was E85). Contrast that to my previous trip, which was to go through 2F, winding through several corridors and then taking a long, long bus ride to finally make it out to the same gate, and then real slow loading.
They had passport control and security checkpoint at the new annex now and the queue was nonexistent.
Still got to the gate at about 9:45 and they were loading. Didn't have time for the shops but they were actually open, in contrast to back in early Feb.
AF084 took off about 10:45, 15 minutes later than scheduled, as the plane loaded for a long time. But I was on board early and able to relax, no rushing or sweating through a maze of corridors and a long bus ride.
Now, I don't know if they did the direct shuttle rides because the MAD-CDG flight was slightly late (10-15) minutes and my connection time was only about an hour. Or if they're planning to do this regularly. Hopefully the latter.
On my outbound flight, they gave me a little note apologizing if I would have to take buses between terminals at CDG. So AF at least appears to recognize the problem.
Oh and having status was great at SFO, MAD and CDG (only for the return flight) because of the early boarding.
#25
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Just an update, I flew through CDG from VCE in May and it was okay, again, they picked us off the VCE-CDG flight and drove us directly to the 2E annex.
Then I flew NCE-CDG-SFO a last week.
I got to NCE very early and they did touch us down about 2 hours before the CDG-SFO flight.
However, I hiked like a mile to get from 2D to 2E, going through a long queue for passport and then security. Then the route led to a bus transfer to get out to the 2E annex where E80 was my gate.
They have shops out there but they don't give you time before you have to board.
But I was able to spend about 20-30 minutes in the AF lounge there before boarding.
Looks like they've removed the security checkpoint at the 2E annex? Back in March and May, they drove me directly to the annex where I went through security there.
I would hate to have to return to the main terminal to go through security and then take a long bus ride out to the annex.
Oh and the work they put into the annex, it doesn't look like a temporary thing, as I thought it might be. That means bus rides are a permanent feature of flights from 2E?
Then I flew NCE-CDG-SFO a last week.
I got to NCE very early and they did touch us down about 2 hours before the CDG-SFO flight.
However, I hiked like a mile to get from 2D to 2E, going through a long queue for passport and then security. Then the route led to a bus transfer to get out to the 2E annex where E80 was my gate.
They have shops out there but they don't give you time before you have to board.
But I was able to spend about 20-30 minutes in the AF lounge there before boarding.
Looks like they've removed the security checkpoint at the 2E annex? Back in March and May, they drove me directly to the annex where I went through security there.
I would hate to have to return to the main terminal to go through security and then take a long bus ride out to the annex.
Oh and the work they put into the annex, it doesn't look like a temporary thing, as I thought it might be. That means bus rides are a permanent feature of flights from 2E?
#26
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The "annex" you're calling is the S3 satellite concourse. It's a large concourse to the east of the current 2E and 2F terminals, and is definitely permanent.
There are still work being done, and in the future, all AF flights will move to the 2E/2F/S3 complex, and there will be automatic trains (LISA) between both 2E and 2F to S3. A US-CDG-Schengen transfer will likely be just S3 to 2F. No more walking to/from 2D.
And in the long term plan, there's still another satellite concourse to the east of S3, I believe called S4.
There are still work being done, and in the future, all AF flights will move to the 2E/2F/S3 complex, and there will be automatic trains (LISA) between both 2E and 2F to S3. A US-CDG-Schengen transfer will likely be just S3 to 2F. No more walking to/from 2D.
And in the long term plan, there's still another satellite concourse to the east of S3, I believe called S4.



