Go Back  Fodor's Travel Talk Forums > Destinations > Europe
Reload this Page >

Brutal Crack Down on Peaceful Environmental Protest

Search

Brutal Crack Down on Peaceful Environmental Protest

Thread Tools
 
Search this Thread
 
Old Jun 5th, 2013, 09:50 AM
  #141  
 
Join Date: Jun 2003
Posts: 278
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
OC, are you able to post a link to your blog? I guess I missed it reading through this thread... Kennedy
Kennedy3 is offline  
Old Jun 5th, 2013, 09:57 AM
  #142  
Original Poster
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 5,326
Received 4 Likes on 2 Posts
Here are some last minute details :

There is heavy rain in Ankara, yet police still using water cannon to disperse crowds which are already wet as wet can be !!! - They also use pepper gas which has hit many bus passengers, taxis and private vehicles on the streets as well.

Tonight is supposed to be a sunni moslem holy night, the night Mohammed climbed the mountain.
The Besiktas football supporters core , the Charshi Group, about 2,000 strong are walking to Taksim to distribute halwa. All day special holy day (Kandil) pretzel like simits were distributed free to protesters.

There will also be a special delegation of protesters paying a visit of thanks to the imam of Dolmabahce mosque who allowed the mosque to be used as a first aid station Sunday night when there was a very brutal police attack in the area, despite being gassed himself.

When large numbers of lawyers protested today in front of the new huge palace of justice in Istanbul all court clerks and other employees gathered at windows to wave, cheer and give support.

The Prime Minister should be arriving back from his North African visit very soon not having been able to meet anyone significant in Algeria, Tunis and Morocco. He will be fuming mad and will be lashing at everyone. He has been rebuffed badly in North Africa by all the leaders despite being welcomed as a guest of honor in the United States just last month.

- Taksim platform gave their requests to the vice prime minister :

1. keep Taksim Park as a park open to the public
2. cease the police attacks on protesters
3. ban all use of pepper gas or any other gas
4. listen to the public and enter into dialogue with their representatives for more democratic governance.
5. release all those arrested during the protests.
6. stop all legal proceedings against the protesters.
7. Remove all those responsible for police brutality from office.
otherchelebi is offline  
Old Jun 5th, 2013, 10:59 AM
  #143  
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 12,820
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Let's hope that the Prime Minister agrees to all the requests that were submitted..but politicians are known to promise everything but develop amnesia afterward.
kismetchimera is offline  
Old Jun 5th, 2013, 11:23 AM
  #144  
Original Poster
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 5,326
Received 4 Likes on 2 Posts
Here's the link to my blog of two day's excursions again:

http://ahmetcafercelebiler.blogspot....tiklal-in.html

checking back, I cannot see much difference in quality between the Cannon Powershot S230 and The Pentax DSLR with the Sigma 18-250 lens.

One more news : The Nobel winner Turkish novelist Orhan Pamuk finally decided to pitch in with a lame remark saying he does not approve of authoritarianism. "Good for him". although I think he is lying because his father who was my bridge friend who could have been authoritarian had totally deserted him after his divorce from Orhan's mother, to concentrate on his new young wife and young daughter. Hence, he always missed a figure of authority in his childhood and I think he had found it in Prime Minister Erdogan.
otherchelebi is offline  
Old Jun 5th, 2013, 04:58 PM
  #145  
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 12,820
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Interesting photos..I just hope that the government is not going after these kids..
kismetchimera is offline  
Old Jun 5th, 2013, 05:40 PM
  #146  
 
Join Date: Feb 2003
Posts: 12,820
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Video..The revolt of the Turkish women..They are Brave..

http://www.repubblica.it/esteri/2013...-60265848/1/#1
kismetchimera is offline  
Old Jun 5th, 2013, 10:01 PM
  #147  
 
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 650
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Here are two stories from tomorrow's paper from the NY Time and Wash Post. The Times has an interesting take on the events.

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/06/wo...ref=world&_r=0

http://www.washingtonpost.com/world/...7_story_1.html
BigAleinstein is offline  
Old Jun 6th, 2013, 02:15 AM
  #148  
 
Join Date: Jun 2004
Posts: 12,492
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
thanks for posting.
lincasanova is offline  
Old Jun 6th, 2013, 03:14 AM
  #149  
Original Poster
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 5,326
Received 4 Likes on 2 Posts
King Mohammed IV of Morocco refused to meet the Turkish PM Erdogan yesterday. I strongly believe that it is because all the heads of State he visited before and befriended had terrible luck. Consider, Mobarak of Egypt, Assad of Syria, Berlusconi, Gaddafi of Libya.

If I were Obama, I would have refused to meet him last month, -

Some people thought that it was like Woodstock at Taksim and tried to organize a big concert with some major names. Some groups got wise to it quickly, saying, "all of Turkey and even many parts of the World are showing support for our plight and some people are being arrested and wounded in other cities in Turkey for showing solidarity with us. How can anyone suggest we celebrate here?"

So, just some discussions, possibly impromptu singing and everyone doing their own thing as usual.

Turkish Medical Association released their figures against the censored government ones regarding numbers of injured during the last 8-9 days. All together about 4,500 injured some badly and two dead.

CNN Turkey has been apologizing every day after the third for not paying enough attention to the event originally, but has now been name as part of the pro government :bought media".

The 34 kids, age 14-19 who were arrested yesterday in Izmir for inciting the public against the lawful government on twitter, have been released after the Turkish bar Association intervened in full force.

The current issue is the group of civilians following the police in Izmir a few days ago, wielding bats, sticks with nails, etc. First the Governor said it was a lie, gthen when shown pictures he said that the Chief of Police told him that they were plainclothesmen who had forgotten to put on the vests that all such police are required to wear in such circumstances by regulations.

Now, everyone is waiting for the PM to land tonight, especially with some calls made to his supporters to, "give him a big warm welcome" !!!! Will this mean that Erdogan hopes that bloodthirsty Islamic fanatics will be gathering to eventually attack the protesters?
otherchelebi is offline  
Old Jun 6th, 2013, 04:49 AM
  #150  
 
Join Date: Jun 2008
Posts: 29,810
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Thanks for the updates, OC.
TDudette is offline  
Old Jun 6th, 2013, 05:57 AM
  #151  
Original Poster
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 5,326
Received 4 Likes on 2 Posts
Here's a song (take off from an old Turkish folk song) that came out of the protest at Taksim Gezi Park:

Written and sung by the Bosphorus University Choir :

https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...&v=a_48C1JiIgo
otherchelebi is offline  
Old Jun 6th, 2013, 09:06 AM
  #152  
Original Poster
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 5,326
Received 4 Likes on 2 Posts
Eser wants to visit Taksim after dinner tonight after the news that the crowds are growing beyond the 100,000 mark because of the PM calling protesters "marginal groups" and associating them with the terrorists who suicide bombed the American consulate.

I will see if I can take some more photos there.

Lots of popular writers, columnists, actors, artists are already there.

The Jazz group we visited in Pittsfield, Massachussetts last October wrote to me that they will have a briefing session (possibly in their church) of what is happening in Turkey and then give a concert in solidarity with the protesters.

Cheers to Andy, James, Charles, Sue, Dianne, Joe and others who also showed great hospitality to us and became lifelong friends with us.
otherchelebi is offline  
Old Jun 6th, 2013, 09:10 AM
  #153  
 
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 650
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
The choir sang wonderfully. They certainly seemed like terrorists.
BigAleinstein is offline  
Old Jun 6th, 2013, 09:22 AM
  #154  
 
Join Date: Sep 2006
Posts: 51,530
Received 37 Likes on 31 Posts
God, they're <i>amazing</i>!
LucieV is offline  
Old Jun 6th, 2013, 09:43 AM
  #155  
 
Join Date: Nov 2004
Posts: 5,969
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
OC - I am so glad I finally found this thread. I was hoping that you would report on the events in Turkey.

Keep safe!
semiramis is offline  
Old Jun 6th, 2013, 11:16 AM
  #156  
 
Join Date: May 2013
Posts: 650
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/07/wo...hed-media.html

The latest from the NY Times.
BigAleinstein is offline  
Old Jun 6th, 2013, 11:32 AM
  #157  
 
Join Date: Jan 2004
Posts: 3,700
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Thanks for keeping us informed, OC. This is an important story to follow.
cynthia_booker is offline  
Old Jun 6th, 2013, 11:45 AM
  #158  
Original Poster
 
Join Date: Jul 2009
Posts: 5,326
Received 4 Likes on 2 Posts
We just came back from a long tour of Taksim square and park. Was extremely crowded with four concerts and lots of chanting and dancing.

It will be some time before I check, select, write captions and post the photos.
otherchelebi is offline  
Old Jun 6th, 2013, 04:26 PM
  #159  
 
Join Date: Jul 2003
Posts: 515
Likes: 0
Received 0 Likes on 0 Posts
Thank you for the very informative and thoughtful updates. By any chance is there a translation of the song that the University Choir sang? I understood only "Taksim"!
txtree is offline  
Old Jun 6th, 2013, 05:51 PM
  #160  
 
Join Date: Apr 2006
Posts: 11,656
Likes: 0
Received 7 Likes on 1 Post
Thanks for your insightful posts.
yestravel is offline  


Contact Us - Manage Preferences Archive - Advertising - Cookie Policy - Privacy Statement - Your Privacy Choices -