Beyond 90 days in Schengen
Nov 15th, 2010, 09:39 AM
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Thanks for all the info.....
...This is crazy.... My daughter is going for a semester in Cortona, Italy, and OBVIOUSLY, like probably 75% (if not 90%) of other American students, she wants to travel in Europe (with a couple other students from the same program) for another couple weeks, before returning home.... She's NOT interested in Bulgaria, Croatia, etc., not even in United Kingdom (we've been there) as much as places like the Alps, the beautiful city of Prague, see a bit of Denmark, or Paris?....
What is annoying, is that officials from her school are themselves not absolutely sure what are the procedures, and talking to the Italian consulate COST MONEY (last time they charged my daughter almost $10 for a phone consultation...............).
I fully understand the European's concerns about immigration and security (they should have done all that LONG ago.....). But not being able to get concrete info from them is not very encouraging.
...This is crazy.... My daughter is going for a semester in Cortona, Italy, and OBVIOUSLY, like probably 75% (if not 90%) of other American students, she wants to travel in Europe (with a couple other students from the same program) for another couple weeks, before returning home.... She's NOT interested in Bulgaria, Croatia, etc., not even in United Kingdom (we've been there) as much as places like the Alps, the beautiful city of Prague, see a bit of Denmark, or Paris?....
What is annoying, is that officials from her school are themselves not absolutely sure what are the procedures, and talking to the Italian consulate COST MONEY (last time they charged my daughter almost $10 for a phone consultation...............).
I fully understand the European's concerns about immigration and security (they should have done all that LONG ago.....). But not being able to get concrete info from them is not very encouraging.
Nov 15th, 2010, 09:42 AM
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If the school officials are not sure about the procedures, I would wonder about that school. Because this must be what every single student studying abroad wants to do, and you would think this school has received this same question innumerable times. Is there another school she could consider? Maybe a shorter time-frame to allow her to travel on her own?
A good resource is STATravel.com, for students traveling abroad.
A good resource is STATravel.com, for students traveling abroad.
Nov 15th, 2010, 09:45 AM
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<officials from her school are themselves not absolutely sure what are the procedures>
Well that statement is extremely disconcerting.
But this 90-day rule is nothing new or unusual. People face it all the time who want to stay/live in Europe longer.
Won't she be able to travel within the 90 day timeframe, on weekends and breaks?
Well that statement is extremely disconcerting.
But this 90-day rule is nothing new or unusual. People face it all the time who want to stay/live in Europe longer.
Won't she be able to travel within the 90 day timeframe, on weekends and breaks?
Nov 15th, 2010, 10:16 AM
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Tis strange how the world is viewed from different perspectives.
1. Schengen : 98% of Brits would think that Shengen was a board game played in pubs or a religious order in feudal Japan. This Schengen thing seems to have become a state in its own right on Fodors which worries me, as we might be expected to send farming subsidies to the "schengen" states in their own right in future.
2. Snotty American high handedness on visas : ask Brits about E2s.
Just a Scottish view (like).
1. Schengen : 98% of Brits would think that Shengen was a board game played in pubs or a religious order in feudal Japan. This Schengen thing seems to have become a state in its own right on Fodors which worries me, as we might be expected to send farming subsidies to the "schengen" states in their own right in future.
2. Snotty American high handedness on visas : ask Brits about E2s.
Just a Scottish view (like).
Nov 15th, 2010, 10:45 AM
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The 89 days duration of the course is obviously a way to save many non-EU students the hassle to apply for a visa. It uses up the full time an American can spend in the Schengen area without applying for a visa.
If the students want to travel before or after, they can do so legally by not going this easy way, but instead applying for a student visa.
Alternatively, they could break the law and hope that they get away with it by saying that they spend a lot of their 90 days outside the Schengen area without any proof that they actually did. I don't know what the chances are to get into trouble, but I assume that most European law enforcement agencies have much higher priorities than prosecuting US students who spend a few weeks more in the Schengen area.
Is this crazy? Maybe, but only if you subscribe to the idea that human beings have the right to free movement within the world without having to care about such artificial constructs as "nations".
If the students want to travel before or after, they can do so legally by not going this easy way, but instead applying for a student visa.
Alternatively, they could break the law and hope that they get away with it by saying that they spend a lot of their 90 days outside the Schengen area without any proof that they actually did. I don't know what the chances are to get into trouble, but I assume that most European law enforcement agencies have much higher priorities than prosecuting US students who spend a few weeks more in the Schengen area.
Is this crazy? Maybe, but only if you subscribe to the idea that human beings have the right to free movement within the world without having to care about such artificial constructs as "nations".
Nov 15th, 2010, 10:58 AM
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Don't they have the weekends off during class, even some long weekends because of public holidays? Chances for at least some short trips.
Otherwise your daughter will have to adjust her interests and plans to the situation.
Otherwise your daughter will have to adjust her interests and plans to the situation.
Nov 15th, 2010, 11:12 AM
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I think there are lots of study abroad programs your daughter might consider. Her college (is applicable) has a list of approved programs for credit. Without that constraint, there are oddles of options.
Our daughter studied abroad, and she did travel on weekends, too. But that does not compare to having two weeks to spend on your own, exploring Europe. I definitely recommend she find a program that allows her to do that.
P.S. I would not mess with the Schengen situation. No need to have that anxiety while traveling!
Our daughter studied abroad, and she did travel on weekends, too. But that does not compare to having two weeks to spend on your own, exploring Europe. I definitely recommend she find a program that allows her to do that.
P.S. I would not mess with the Schengen situation. No need to have that anxiety while traveling!
Nov 15th, 2010, 11:27 AM
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"thank you alanRow. maybe it was their nonuse of the Euro had me confused. thanks again."
Several Schengen countries don't use the Euro - Iceland, Norway being the other obvious ones who are also not EU.
Denmark and Sweden doesn't use the Euro but are Schengen and are in the EU, Cyprus is in the EU and uses the Euro but isn't Schengen. Kosovo isn't EU, isn't Schengen but uses the Euro.
Several Schengen countries don't use the Euro - Iceland, Norway being the other obvious ones who are also not EU.
Denmark and Sweden doesn't use the Euro but are Schengen and are in the EU, Cyprus is in the EU and uses the Euro but isn't Schengen. Kosovo isn't EU, isn't Schengen but uses the Euro.
Nov 15th, 2010, 11:41 AM
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>>>My daughter is going for a semester in Cortona, Italy<<<
A semester is typically longer than 89 days.
>>>>PeaceOut on Nov 15, 10 at 3:12pm
I think there are lots of study abroad programs your daughter might consider. Her college (is applicable) has a list of approved programs for credit. Without that constraint, there are oddles of options.<<<<
She's not attending an Italian school. She is doing a program run by UGA (her college) that is mostly taught by UGA staff. Many colleges set up their own programs in various countries similar to this one. Few American students that study abroad these days actually attend a foreign college. When my daughter studied at two universities in Madrid, she was surprised at the number of American students that attended these types of "American institutes" and never set foot on a real Spanish college campus.
You would think since it's UGA's own program, they would know about visas for students.
A semester is typically longer than 89 days.
>>>>PeaceOut on Nov 15, 10 at 3:12pm
I think there are lots of study abroad programs your daughter might consider. Her college (is applicable) has a list of approved programs for credit. Without that constraint, there are oddles of options.<<<<
She's not attending an Italian school. She is doing a program run by UGA (her college) that is mostly taught by UGA staff. Many colleges set up their own programs in various countries similar to this one. Few American students that study abroad these days actually attend a foreign college. When my daughter studied at two universities in Madrid, she was surprised at the number of American students that attended these types of "American institutes" and never set foot on a real Spanish college campus.
You would think since it's UGA's own program, they would know about visas for students.
Nov 15th, 2010, 01:36 PM
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kyb, yes, I know about study abroad. Been there, done that recently. My point is still that if the extra travel time is a 'show stopper' for her, I think she has other options. UGA will probably acknowledge credit from lots of other schools' programs. That's how it works.
Nov 15th, 2010, 02:17 PM
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Guys, my daughter is going to Cortona Italy. Her specific program that she's registered to lasts 89 days. Yes, they will do some weekend traveling to the area. Those are the facts.
Now, here is another idea:
She has a DUAL citizenship. So she thought of taking BOTH her passports, using the American one to enter Italy, then at the end of her program take a train to say Croatia (or any close by non-Schengen country close of Italy? Slovenia?) --- and use her other passport to turn around and get back into Italy. We know she does not need an Italian visa when using oher other passport.
The way we see it, it's using a trick, taking advantage of a loophole, but she has no intention of doing anything illegal, she does not wish to remain in Europe, she simply wants to extend her Europe stay another couple weeks to visit some places in there.
What do you think?
Now, here is another idea:
She has a DUAL citizenship. So she thought of taking BOTH her passports, using the American one to enter Italy, then at the end of her program take a train to say Croatia (or any close by non-Schengen country close of Italy? Slovenia?) --- and use her other passport to turn around and get back into Italy. We know she does not need an Italian visa when using oher other passport.
The way we see it, it's using a trick, taking advantage of a loophole, but she has no intention of doing anything illegal, she does not wish to remain in Europe, she simply wants to extend her Europe stay another couple weeks to visit some places in there.
What do you think?
Nov 15th, 2010, 02:38 PM
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Flying back home she will use her US passport. What will they do to her, arrest her when she's already returning home?
Her other passport was issued in the USA (no line detailing her home address, just as an American passport does not have ones home address), but that does not imply she has an American passport, unless the officer would be REALLY asking to spend more time on her case.....
Her other passport was issued in the USA (no line detailing her home address, just as an American passport does not have ones home address), but that does not imply she has an American passport, unless the officer would be REALLY asking to spend more time on her case.....
Nov 15th, 2010, 02:48 PM
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>What will they do to her, arrest her when she's already returning home?
Worst case scenario for suspected overstaying upon departure: Questioning can take long so she misses her flight. Then there might be a fine, plus the obligation to book and pay a new ticket for the next available flight, at highest cost of course as it is last minute, and an entry in passport and Schengen data system that keeps her from entering Schengen again for several years.
Worst case scenario for suspected overstaying upon departure: Questioning can take long so she misses her flight. Then there might be a fine, plus the obligation to book and pay a new ticket for the next available flight, at highest cost of course as it is last minute, and an entry in passport and Schengen data system that keeps her from entering Schengen again for several years.
