Beautiful , thin, young people are treated better...in Europe
Jul 26th, 2001, 05:07 PM
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I find it amusing that European men are so wimpy. I guess I'm hearing on this forum that maybe European women dislike muscles and prefer a more frail, boyish man. A friend once told me that Paris is like heaven, the women are all beautiful and the men are all skinny, wimpy smokers. <BR> <BR>PS <BR>Yes this is a troll.
Jul 26th, 2001, 07:25 PM
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I will say that I traveled all over turkey. I found it very charming that many people came up to me and told me I had beautiful hair. If they could not speak any English at all they would point to my hair and say goozel (beautiful). I have long red hair and I thought perhaps they didn't see a lot of red hair in Turkey. In any event, I met a women with short hair. She simply had a pixie cut, not extreme. Where ever this woman went people laughed, ran up, and told her it was ugly. She knew the Turkish word for ugly just as I had learned the word for beautiful. So while this was not Europe, I do think it can happen. Women do have a lower status in Europe so it should not be surprising to any of us if traditional expectations of beauty and or appearance are exaggerated there. <BR> <BR>Having said that, you cannot restrict this kind of thinking to Europe or even travel. I live in a major U.S. city and there is a lot of pressure to stay thin. I am the largest woman in my office and I am a size 5. Every man in my office has a gut that sticks out at least 6 inches and some much more than that. A Woman would not be hired in my office if she had a gut. I have seen women with impeccable credentials, interviewed and turned away because they were not appealing to look at. Very stupid business I assure you but these guys still let their eyes rule. Men can be obese, bald, a poor dresser, it all gets ignored in the very same office. <BR> <BR>A female executive producer at NBC wrote about her experiences moving up, she was on Larry King Live, recently. She spoke about the corporate environment and her belief that women are subjected to rules that are unspoken but expected of them. If you understand and accept these rules you can learn to work within them. There was of course a list longer than this but I distinctly remember her saying, “Women are not allowed to yell, be fat or ugly. You will see men with these traits and practices but we do not accept women this way”. Unfortunately, I have not been in too many offices where this did ring true. <BR> <BR>You younger women and men are certainly changing things but for the most part this stuff is still around. I hope you change it for the future but that means waking up to the reality of it. <BR>
Jul 26th, 2001, 11:02 PM
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To me previous poster: ... "women do have a lower status in Europe.... " <BR> <BR>Well, let me let tell you this: We are catching up A LOT. Believe me! And we are doing much better than men in some fields. Nowadays, a women in her 40s or 50s can still look very good and great, when she is doing something for it.
Jul 27th, 2001, 11:06 AM
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Beautiful, thin, young people are treated better. <BR> <BR>I have some other newsflashes for you: <BR>* the pope IS Catholic <BR>* a bear does _ _ _ _ in the woods <BR>* Grant is buried in Grant's tomb <BR> <BR>I try to only do business with people/clerks, etc. who are nice to me. If they are snooty to me, I'll go back another day to try to find someone nicer. Happened once buying sneakers (yes -- big white ones); I told salesmen #2 that he passed my test. After I explained, he was pleased that he had succeeded where his precedessor had failed. <BR>
Jul 27th, 2001, 11:46 AM
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I've seen studies that have shown that even newborn babies respond more favorably to a face that we would consider more attractive (which is usually stems from it being more symmetrical.) The fact that more attractive people may get more breaks and opportunities and attention seems to be one of those inescapable facts of life.
Jul 29th, 2001, 07:17 PM
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To Capo and others who may care: There is a wonderful book written during the depression titled ARCHIE AND MEHITABEL by Don Marquis, through the years it has been made into a stage musical played amoung others by Eartha Kitt and Tammy Grimes. It is about a cockroach who is in love with a decadent cat. <BR>Archie says when he goes anywhere he is stepped on but if a beautiful girl came into the elevator they make room for her <BR>I'm not making this very clear but it's about people only looking for pretty than soul <BR> <BR>
Jul 30th, 2001, 05:55 PM
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As a larger woman who lives in the US and travels frequently to Europe, I've found that men in Europe are far more appreciative of my appearance than men in the states. Even in Paris, I received admiring looks, which were noticed by my boyfriend, who couldn't get the shit eating grin off of his face each time it happened. <BR> <BR>Men in Europe don't fall into the size 0 mentality...a woman is beautiful for what she does with herself, how she walks, presents herself, etc. rather than how thin she is. <BR> <BR>Give me a euro lover any day
Mar 19th, 2002, 06:01 PM
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Belated entry....just to help out all you "kids"...I am NOT a contemporary of Lana Turner but any film buff should know that tho she was called the Sweater Girl early in her career she was small but nicely proportioned.She was a natural brunette who became one of the ultimate blondes..see They Knew What They Wanted .<BR>Happily surprised to see a reference to Archy and Mehitabel..one of my all time favorites.I named the poor old beat up bedraggled alley cat I adopted Mehitabel. If you recall she has many amores even if she has led a hard life. There's life in the old girl yet she sings.Toujour gai ....<BR>Can anyone else identify with that philosophy ?
Mar 19th, 2002, 07:25 PM
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Being a great beauty myself, I have found that my way in life has been made much more pleasant by my good looks and cheerful ways.Doors have always opened for me,I always get good service wherever I go,and I have never had a French waiter snap at me...why they scuffle over who gets to wait on me!<BR>In NY,the cabbies will push their fares out of their cabs,so they can take me to my destination.I am always upgraded in hotels and to First Class on airplanes.<BR>It is a wonderful thing to be so blessed and the moral of this story is to be sure you pick the right person to have babies with, so you get lots of pretty babies and they will grow up happy the way I did.<BR>Have a good day.
Mar 20th, 2002, 07:06 AM
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Hey,ya'll! who says they are great beauties?? We all know that there is just One Great Beauty and that is myself!<BR>Who else has had a book written about her AND a movie???<BR>Not only am I beautiful but I am kind to small children and puppies,and I treat my mama and daddy very well.<BR>Sometimes that sister of mine, Melany? well,she is annoying, but I still love her..and her husband.<BR>I love my friends and never bother my pretty head with unpleasant thoughts.<BR>Now,ya'll have a nice day and remember-think about it tomorrow~<BR>Scarlett
Mar 20th, 2002, 07:28 AM
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I used to be beautiful, thin and young. Now I suppose I am only thin. But now I get much better treatment anywhere in the world than I did when I still could add young and beautiful to the litany. Age is respected, and it gives certain freedom. Like travelling in the muslim countries as a solo woman, and still be treated as a decent person.
Mar 20th, 2002, 07:52 AM
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Ah, once I was handsome, now I’m distinguished. Once I was young and silly, now I’m 50 and wise. Once I was thin because I was poor. Now I am portly ‘cause I’m one, wealthy s.o.b. who could buy and sell the delusions of the young and pretty. They are the ones who knock on my door and render unto Caesar…
