Auf Englisch, bitte!
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Auf Englisch, bitte!
Does this page say that the Rheinland-Pfalz-Ticket is valid all day <i>ganztägig</i> on weekends and holidays?
http://www.der-takt.de/Rheinland-Pfalz-Ticket.40.0.html
http://www.der-takt.de/Rheinland-Pfalz-Ticket.40.0.html
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I like the opening even better:
Wer was erleben will, muss runter vom Sofa und rein in den Takt!
One could almost translate it:
Whoever wants to experience life must get their butts off the sofa ad get them moving.
Not quite that familiar, but darn close.
At least one must rise from the sofa and get into step!!
Any group of up to 5 people can travel together with no restrictions.
If all the children are under 14, there seems to be no limit as long as some combination of parents are along.
Wer was erleben will, muss runter vom Sofa und rein in den Takt!
One could almost translate it:
Whoever wants to experience life must get their butts off the sofa ad get them moving.
Not quite that familiar, but darn close.
At least one must rise from the sofa and get into step!!
Any group of up to 5 people can travel together with no restrictions.
If all the children are under 14, there seems to be no limit as long as some combination of parents are along.
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Well, money makes the world go round ;-). In this case they're still fighting for at least 200 mio. If a referendum would be held, of course people would vote for building it. ("They" don't have to pay the bill...). I looks like it will finally be built, even though such a short range is anything but efficient. The Transrapid from Berlin to Hamburg would have been a better alternative imho.
http://www.sueddeutsche.de/muenchen/artikel/971/98873/
http://www.sueddeutsche.de/muenchen/artikel/971/98873/
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That's impressive, it would make Munich to be the second city in the world to have such a futuristic airport transportation. It probably helps to have the CDU/CSU on the steering wheel to secure the Bundes financing for most of the 1,65 Mio It's a lot cheaper than the Hamburg - Berlin stretch for such a showcase project, though I imagine it may not be as economically beneficial. I'm looking forward to the 10 minute airport ride vs the 45 minute slow S bahn. Anyone has an idea when the projected date of operation will be?
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DAX:
forget about it anywhere in the near future. They have been technically able to build thatthing since the eighties or something.
However, projects like that are not feasible in Germany due to millions of feasibility studies being ordered that come to completely opposite results.
Even if there was a clear indication from that part, the environmental part would weigh in. Such planning would take another couple of years. Once it would have been cleared one needs another feasibility study as the numbers from the old one are outdated again. It's an ever returning cycle.
AND: While I am a huge fan of the Transrapid monorail, an airport connection in Munich for 1.65 bn is a ridiculous if not pathetic waste of money.
It has escaped me ever since first landing in the foghole of MUC and then having to train it into the city within an hour or so for a mere EUR 10.00 (roughly) why they do not run airport express trains at least every once in a while that do not stop at every milk can along the way.
That would indeed speed things up and would not cost anything - and instead would save us all money and time.
forget about it anywhere in the near future. They have been technically able to build thatthing since the eighties or something.
However, projects like that are not feasible in Germany due to millions of feasibility studies being ordered that come to completely opposite results.
Even if there was a clear indication from that part, the environmental part would weigh in. Such planning would take another couple of years. Once it would have been cleared one needs another feasibility study as the numbers from the old one are outdated again. It's an ever returning cycle.
AND: While I am a huge fan of the Transrapid monorail, an airport connection in Munich for 1.65 bn is a ridiculous if not pathetic waste of money.
It has escaped me ever since first landing in the foghole of MUC and then having to train it into the city within an hour or so for a mere EUR 10.00 (roughly) why they do not run airport express trains at least every once in a while that do not stop at every milk can along the way.
That would indeed speed things up and would not cost anything - and instead would save us all money and time.
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HSV: So they're still dreaming huh? What you said makes sense. I was surprised that the projected cost is only 1.65 billion euros when the Germans built it in Shanghai a few years back for something like 2 billion dollars if I remember correctly. It would be ironic to build such an expensive project to show off to the world when so many people are living on Harz IV (or maybe that's not the case in prosperous Bavaria?).
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I think all it is is dreaming. I have noticed that the websites for the project have either been taken off the internet or have not had their "actuell" (current) page updated in a year or so. There used to be a really good set of pages on the estimated construction costs on bmg-bayern.ed, but I see it is no longer up.
The Shanghai line is 18.6 miles long (30 km) and cost $1.2 billion ($1.2 x 10E9). That is about $64 million per mile.
The proposed cost for Munich's 23 mile long line was about $76 million per mile, the higher cost being due to a long tunnel to get the train out of the metro area.
And, HSV, I agree with you, it's ridiculous to spend such a large amount of money for a 10 minute train when they could do it in 20 minutes by sending an express train that doesn't stop at the 12 stations along the way.
The Shanghai line is 18.6 miles long (30 km) and cost $1.2 billion ($1.2 x 10E9). That is about $64 million per mile.
The proposed cost for Munich's 23 mile long line was about $76 million per mile, the higher cost being due to a long tunnel to get the train out of the metro area.
And, HSV, I agree with you, it's ridiculous to spend such a large amount of money for a 10 minute train when they could do it in 20 minutes by sending an express train that doesn't stop at the 12 stations along the way.
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Oh, yeah, the old bmg-bayern website also projected the one way fare to the airport at €13 ($17), a 50% increase over today's fare.
When the Shanghai airport line was opened, the price of a one way ticket was the equivalent of $9. Due to lack of riders, they lowered it to $6. I have read that most of the trafic on this line is not serious commuters to the airport, but those just wanting to try it, like an amusement park ride.
The Shanghai airport maglev has been so unsuccessful, that China has decided not to build a previously planned line to Peking.
When the Shanghai airport line was opened, the price of a one way ticket was the equivalent of $9. Due to lack of riders, they lowered it to $6. I have read that most of the trafic on this line is not serious commuters to the airport, but those just wanting to try it, like an amusement park ride.
The Shanghai airport maglev has been so unsuccessful, that China has decided not to build a previously planned line to Peking.
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Well, honestly, I'd even more gladly pay €8,80 to take a 20 minute S-bahn ride vs. the London airport express. But the choice isn't between the Munich airport train and the London airport express trains. The question is what is the most cost efficient way to get to the Munich airport. And, that would be for the MVV to put in a non-stop express S-Bahn to the airport; it could save up to 2/3 of the time saved by the maglev and not need a higher fare.
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