As Europeans see us
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The term "Anti-American" seems to have been invented by Americans and seems to be a national obsession.
I wonder if in Reyjavik they have shows on TV on "anti-Islandics" and if Indians are concerned about anti-Indians.
I wonder if in Reyjavik they have shows on TV on "anti-Islandics" and if Indians are concerned about anti-Indians.

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chimani wrote: "Altimiro - you didn't anwser the question. What upsets you so much about the European view of Americans?"
It looks to me as is altamiro's concern is not so much with the European view of Americans as with the American view of the European view of Americans.
[I hope that's not too complicated.]
It looks to me as is altamiro's concern is not so much with the European view of Americans as with the American view of the European view of Americans.
[I hope that's not too complicated.]
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>It looks to me as is altamiro's concern is not so much with the European view of Americans as with the American view of the European view of Americans.
Thanks Padraig. You have described it well.
Especially, IME such programs tend to take some opinion or a part of expression out of context and make an overblown generalisation out of this - often misunderstood - words.
It happens not too rarely on this side of the Atlantic as well, therefore I don't specify the TV stations in question.
Thanks Padraig. You have described it well.
Especially, IME such programs tend to take some opinion or a part of expression out of context and make an overblown generalisation out of this - often misunderstood - words.
It happens not too rarely on this side of the Atlantic as well, therefore I don't specify the TV stations in question.
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I remember that there was a TV show called "Do they mean us" which had clips about Britain from foreign TV stations.
It was a comedy show.
Sheila, the British Empire was pretty well run by Scots.
It's interesting that Americans in particular are very sentimental about the "Celtic" fringes, imagining a set of warm-hearted peasants crooning over peat fires and exchanging faery lore in their quaint buts and bens.
It was a comedy show.
Sheila, the British Empire was pretty well run by Scots.
It's interesting that Americans in particular are very sentimental about the "Celtic" fringes, imagining a set of warm-hearted peasants crooning over peat fires and exchanging faery lore in their quaint buts and bens.
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It is interesting that the term "The Ugly American" seemed to spring from the 1958 book of that same name. Sterotypes of the loud, rude, brash, Americans traveling abroad still are tagged with that name today -- Ugly Americans. But it is ironic that the book was written by two American authors -- not Europeans.
And I've heard the term from other Americans a lot more than I hear it from Europeans. In fact, it seems often to be an obsession with many American travelers to continually feel and speak out that MOST American travelers are indeed "Ugly", but thankfully they themselves are not part of that image. I think it's all part of the "I want to be better than the other guy" mentality. So the more they run down their fellow travelers, the better it makes them feel about themselves.
And I've heard the term from other Americans a lot more than I hear it from Europeans. In fact, it seems often to be an obsession with many American travelers to continually feel and speak out that MOST American travelers are indeed "Ugly", but thankfully they themselves are not part of that image. I think it's all part of the "I want to be better than the other guy" mentality. So the more they run down their fellow travelers, the better it makes them feel about themselves.
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>BBC poll on the PBS site.
Hey logos, that poll refers to The current administration's handling of foreign policy.
I suggest that it isn't very different from what American's think.
Iraq war (73% disapproval),
In the US it is now 72%
http://www.pollingreport.com/iraq.htm
handling of Guantanamo detainees (67%),
In the US it is 67%
http://tinyurl.com/33bh8c
global warming (56%),
In the US it's 68%
http://www.pollingreport.com/enviro.htm
Couldn't find data on the other questions.
W's approval rating about 30&
http://www.pollingreport.com/BushJob.htm
Hey logos, that poll refers to The current administration's handling of foreign policy.
I suggest that it isn't very different from what American's think.
Iraq war (73% disapproval),
In the US it is now 72%
http://www.pollingreport.com/iraq.htm
handling of Guantanamo detainees (67%),
In the US it is 67%
http://tinyurl.com/33bh8c
global warming (56%),
In the US it's 68%
http://www.pollingreport.com/enviro.htm
Couldn't find data on the other questions.
W's approval rating about 30&
http://www.pollingreport.com/BushJob.htm
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Jody said it best. "Since none of you has seen this program ..."
All comment so far is based on the title! Can we now start a thread with reviews of movies no one has seen yet - and maybe one where posters must give travel advice on places they've never been!?
Obviously, there ARE people around the world (and in the US) with anti-American sentiment. Could be enlightening to see what the program says about them.
Thanks, Jack, for the heads up. I'll try to watch it ... comment, if any, to follow!
All comment so far is based on the title! Can we now start a thread with reviews of movies no one has seen yet - and maybe one where posters must give travel advice on places they've never been!?
Obviously, there ARE people around the world (and in the US) with anti-American sentiment. Could be enlightening to see what the program says about them.
Thanks, Jack, for the heads up. I'll try to watch it ... comment, if any, to follow!
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Last year when we traveled to Austria and Germany the people were very kind to us. We visited
Innsbruck,Salzburg,Vienna,Munich and Berlin. The only rudeness we encountered was in Munich on the Marienplatz. In front of a restaurant was a waiter standing next to a chalk board sign writen in german (I assumed it was the lunch special of the day?) So I asked him what it was, his answer... FOOD! i kinda smiled and said what kind of FOOD? his answer.. THAT YOU EAT! We laughed at him and walked away. Just around the corner we found an open air market with maybe 100 booths and a beer garden. We had one of the best lunches we ever had. The joke was on him we laughed as we ate and drank.
Innsbruck,Salzburg,Vienna,Munich and Berlin. The only rudeness we encountered was in Munich on the Marienplatz. In front of a restaurant was a waiter standing next to a chalk board sign writen in german (I assumed it was the lunch special of the day?) So I asked him what it was, his answer... FOOD! i kinda smiled and said what kind of FOOD? his answer.. THAT YOU EAT! We laughed at him and walked away. Just around the corner we found an open air market with maybe 100 booths and a beer garden. We had one of the best lunches we ever had. The joke was on him we laughed as we ate and drank.
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Re: the book. The title comes, at the first level, from the physical appearance of a main character, an American who isn't very attractive. At the next level, it refers to the imperious attitude of (some) Americans abroad.
America is now a particularly easy target for criticism of attitudes and behavior, but it has been for a long time -- think Henry James. A show about Europeans' "love-hate" relationship with America is going to be about some longstanding "family" squabbles within Western culture, not the global divisions that have to do with wealth, race, and religion.
America is now a particularly easy target for criticism of attitudes and behavior, but it has been for a long time -- think Henry James. A show about Europeans' "love-hate" relationship with America is going to be about some longstanding "family" squabbles within Western culture, not the global divisions that have to do with wealth, race, and religion.
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One interesting element of national popularity contests is that they are not always reciprocal. Some countries 'love' other countries that 'hate' them and vice versa.
In France, this was particularly evident during the Rainbow Warrior fiasco. France was pretty much despised by New Zealand and Australia during that period, but that didn't stop the French from absolutely loving them.
In France, this was particularly evident during the Rainbow Warrior fiasco. France was pretty much despised by New Zealand and Australia during that period, but that didn't stop the French from absolutely loving them.
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Laura m'dear, I assume you weren't eductaed in Scotland, with spelling like that?
EnglishOne, I don't understand your point (I didn't really have one; I was just being flippant). You said
>I think us Brits (as a nation) have >so many people who dislike them its >water off a duck's back now
We (Brits) are not A nation, we're 4.(we may be a state, but that's a different thing). And I fear (ahem) you'll find it's the English who are disliked, not the rest of us (as a general generality, which is not, therefore, to be trusted)
David and Michael, I'd expect nothing better of you!

EnglishOne, I don't understand your point (I didn't really have one; I was just being flippant). You said
>I think us Brits (as a nation) have >so many people who dislike them its >water off a duck's back now
We (Brits) are not A nation, we're 4.(we may be a state, but that's a different thing). And I fear (ahem) you'll find it's the English who are disliked, not the rest of us (as a general generality, which is not, therefore, to be trusted)
David and Michael, I'd expect nothing better of you!

