Apartment rentals- where to keep valuables?
Jan 18th, 2014, 07:34 AM
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Grindeldoo: I want to say how sorry I am for that image. I am pretty sure it was me circa 1987. I've never forgotten it either.
That said, I still use a money belt in transit between locations, but never again while wearing a dress.
Apologies.
That said, I still use a money belt in transit between locations, but never again while wearing a dress.
Apologies.
Jan 18th, 2014, 07:39 AM
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Jan 18th, 2014, 08:06 AM
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So I take it that if you went to photgraph the bridges of Madison county or the coastline in Acadia National Park NYCFoodJoke, you would use a money belt. Really?
Or that if in Acadia, you wouldn't take your $30k of camera gear, just your iPhone maybe for some snapshots? I can understand why you might not be able to walk for 7 hours of course.
I laugh at those who think they are being logical and who don't have good sense.
Annhig, you just haven't trained your family well enough. I have yet to see my wife put anything in any pocket on any item of clothing she wears. Ruins the 'line' of the clothing don't you know. As for getting her to schlep something in her hand bag, it ain't big enough. She isn't one of those carry your whole life's needs in a handbag types. What is far more likely is that she gets me to schlep something in my pants pockets.
Suze, you are referring only to having something lost/stolen. OK, fair enough. But whether someone uses a money belt or not changes nothing if something IS lost/stolen, it's the same hassle however they carried their valuables, if they are lost/stolen while travelling. The case some are trying to make is that it is less likely they will be lost/stolen if you use a moneybelt. I disagree.
Janisj, same story as Suze. The hassle is the same wherever your valuables are lost/stolen from when travelling. So again, no relevance to using a money belt.
Mimar, congratulations. You are the only one who has actually made the only case possible for a money belt. It provides people 'peace of mind'. That it is a false sense of security is irrelvant. They think it's more secure.
It's like airport security who check everyone for every possible item you shouldn't carry onto a plane. At the same time we all know that anyone who really wants to get something they shouldn't onto a plane can do so. False security but 'peace of mind' for the unthinking masses.
Grindeldoo, pockets are always better than a purse or pack. I would also suggest having second cards on a different account. If a card from one bank is lost/stolen all it takes is one phone call to report it and have the card blocked. You then use the cards from another account and if necessary, transfer funds online from one to the other. There's no hassle involved unless someone calls one phone call a hassle.
What people would be better off doing is some research on the most common issues tourists run into and making sure they don't get caught in those. A money belt won't help with any of the them. One of the most common problems by the way is a rental property that is not as advertised EWojo.
http://www.cntraveler.com/travel-tip...-to-avoid-them
(Mimar, note in that list I've linked the issue of insurance when items are in a hotel room safe.)
http://dosomethingcool.net/common-tr...-avoid-part-2/
http://dosomethingcool.net/travel-fears-ridiculous/
Lost or stolen valuables are WAY down the list of problems tourists run into. Do any of you know the number one cause of tourist deaths? Auto accidents. Now there's a surprise, if you listened to the media you might think it was shark attacks in Mexico or somewhere.
Every time one dumb tourist gets pickpocketed in Barcelona, the media report it as if thousands were pickpocketed daily and if you go there the chances are more than 50-50 that you will be a victim. Poppycock. Keep your wallet in a zipped pocket and it ain't gonna happen.
Fear is a real thing, but illogical fear can be avoided if you simply take the time to research just how illogical any particular fear might be.
Or that if in Acadia, you wouldn't take your $30k of camera gear, just your iPhone maybe for some snapshots? I can understand why you might not be able to walk for 7 hours of course.
I laugh at those who think they are being logical and who don't have good sense.
Annhig, you just haven't trained your family well enough. I have yet to see my wife put anything in any pocket on any item of clothing she wears. Ruins the 'line' of the clothing don't you know. As for getting her to schlep something in her hand bag, it ain't big enough. She isn't one of those carry your whole life's needs in a handbag types. What is far more likely is that she gets me to schlep something in my pants pockets.
Suze, you are referring only to having something lost/stolen. OK, fair enough. But whether someone uses a money belt or not changes nothing if something IS lost/stolen, it's the same hassle however they carried their valuables, if they are lost/stolen while travelling. The case some are trying to make is that it is less likely they will be lost/stolen if you use a moneybelt. I disagree.
Janisj, same story as Suze. The hassle is the same wherever your valuables are lost/stolen from when travelling. So again, no relevance to using a money belt.
Mimar, congratulations. You are the only one who has actually made the only case possible for a money belt. It provides people 'peace of mind'. That it is a false sense of security is irrelvant. They think it's more secure.
It's like airport security who check everyone for every possible item you shouldn't carry onto a plane. At the same time we all know that anyone who really wants to get something they shouldn't onto a plane can do so. False security but 'peace of mind' for the unthinking masses.
Grindeldoo, pockets are always better than a purse or pack. I would also suggest having second cards on a different account. If a card from one bank is lost/stolen all it takes is one phone call to report it and have the card blocked. You then use the cards from another account and if necessary, transfer funds online from one to the other. There's no hassle involved unless someone calls one phone call a hassle.
What people would be better off doing is some research on the most common issues tourists run into and making sure they don't get caught in those. A money belt won't help with any of the them. One of the most common problems by the way is a rental property that is not as advertised EWojo.
http://www.cntraveler.com/travel-tip...-to-avoid-them
(Mimar, note in that list I've linked the issue of insurance when items are in a hotel room safe.)
http://dosomethingcool.net/common-tr...-avoid-part-2/
http://dosomethingcool.net/travel-fears-ridiculous/
Lost or stolen valuables are WAY down the list of problems tourists run into. Do any of you know the number one cause of tourist deaths? Auto accidents. Now there's a surprise, if you listened to the media you might think it was shark attacks in Mexico or somewhere.
Every time one dumb tourist gets pickpocketed in Barcelona, the media report it as if thousands were pickpocketed daily and if you go there the chances are more than 50-50 that you will be a victim. Poppycock. Keep your wallet in a zipped pocket and it ain't gonna happen.
Fear is a real thing, but illogical fear can be avoided if you simply take the time to research just how illogical any particular fear might be.
Jan 18th, 2014, 08:21 AM
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<i>So I take it that if you went to photgraph the bridges of Madison county or the coastline in Acadia National Park NYCFoodJoke, you would use a money belt. Really?
Or that if in Acadia, you wouldn't take your $30k of camera gear, just your iPhone maybe for some snapshots? I</i>
Apples and oranges since it is unlikely that the sites would be crowded. But they can have their own problems.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mksfca/9440047593
And it is ridiculous to argue that all potential solutins at protecting one's valuables are equally useless except zipped pockets. Money belts are usually worn under the clothing, thus less accessible to the robber.
Or that if in Acadia, you wouldn't take your $30k of camera gear, just your iPhone maybe for some snapshots? I</i>
Apples and oranges since it is unlikely that the sites would be crowded. But they can have their own problems.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/mksfca/9440047593
And it is ridiculous to argue that all potential solutins at protecting one's valuables are equally useless except zipped pockets. Money belts are usually worn under the clothing, thus less accessible to the robber.
Jan 18th, 2014, 08:47 AM
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I laugh at those who think they are being logical and who don't have good sense.>>
dulcie - it must be wonderful to be so positive that you are right. The rest of us poor imperfect mortals can only wonder at your superior reasoning skills.
dulcie - it must be wonderful to be so positive that you are right. The rest of us poor imperfect mortals can only wonder at your superior reasoning skills.
Jan 18th, 2014, 09:32 AM
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One doesn't use a money belt like a wallet - it is more a 'body safe' . . . Never to be seen in public. I have also seen travelers practically undressing to get to money or cc's - last time was in Harrods just two months ago. Poor schmucks. That doesn't mean a money belt is a bad idea - just use it as it was I tended.
I don't always use a money belt - more often than not if I'm staying in a flat that doesn't provide a safe. A locked suitcase in the room provides no security at all.
(It is usually best to just ignore dulciusex posts - never has anything to say w/o slamming all who disagree w/ him)
I don't always use a money belt - more often than not if I'm staying in a flat that doesn't provide a safe. A locked suitcase in the room provides no security at all.
(It is usually best to just ignore dulciusex posts - never has anything to say w/o slamming all who disagree w/ him)
Jan 18th, 2014, 09:33 AM
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One doesn't use a money belt like a wallet - it is more a 'body safe' . . . Never to be seen in public. I have also seen travelers practically undressing to get to money or cc's - last time was in Harrods just two months ago. Poor schmucks. That doesn't mean a money belt is a bad idea - just use it as it was I tended.
I don't always use a money belt - more often than not if I'm staying in a flat that doesn't provide a safe. A locked suitcase in the room provides no security at all.
(It is usually best to just ignore dulciusex posts - never has anything to say w/o slamming all who disagree w/ him)
I don't always use a money belt - more often than not if I'm staying in a flat that doesn't provide a safe. A locked suitcase in the room provides no security at all.
(It is usually best to just ignore dulciusex posts - never has anything to say w/o slamming all who disagree w/ him)
Jan 18th, 2014, 09:43 AM
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Two different times in Spain, nice Spanish women on the street have advised me that I was vulnerable to theft. In both cases, I was carrying a large purse that closed with a zipper, with a smaller pocket inside that also closed with a zipper. I hadn't zipped the purse closed, and I guess they thought I was clueless.
One of the times was when I was standing on a street in Sevilla watching the Semana Santa processions, which I assume must be a prime situation for theft. The other time was probably in Malága or Barcelona.
I thanked them, of course, but I didn't tell them that I kept only small amounts of money in the inside pockets of my purse, and that the important stuff was in my money belt.
One of the times was when I was standing on a street in Sevilla watching the Semana Santa processions, which I assume must be a prime situation for theft. The other time was probably in Malága or Barcelona.
I thanked them, of course, but I didn't tell them that I kept only small amounts of money in the inside pockets of my purse, and that the important stuff was in my money belt.
Jan 18th, 2014, 01:04 PM
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Michael, I submit that the chances of being robbed are as high if not higher visiting Acadia as anywhere else in the world. Try finding the stats on 'theft from tourists in Bar Harbour'. You can't just parachute into the park and leave by helicopter or something. All the risks of travel remain the same as travel anywhere else.
Annhig, no, it isn't wonderful really. More frustrating than anything but I can understand why you and others might think it was wonderful.
NYCFoodJoke, that's true at some point.
(It is usually best to just ignore janisj posts - when I have posted. She never has anything to say except some feeble attempt to disagree with my superior knowledge.)
Annhig, no, it isn't wonderful really. More frustrating than anything but I can understand why you and others might think it was wonderful.
NYCFoodJoke, that's true at some point.
(It is usually best to just ignore janisj posts - when I have posted. She never has anything to say except some feeble attempt to disagree with my superior knowledge.)
Jan 18th, 2014, 01:46 PM
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<i>You can't just parachute into the park and leave by helicopter or something. All the risks of travel remain the same as travel anywhere else. </i>
Nor does one necessarily stop in Bar Harbor proper, the one area with crowds, I gather, that might invite pickpockets (the one time I was on Mt. Desert Island I never went to Bar Harbor).
Nor does one necessarily stop in Bar Harbor proper, the one area with crowds, I gather, that might invite pickpockets (the one time I was on Mt. Desert Island I never went to Bar Harbor).
Jan 18th, 2014, 11:48 PM
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Annhig, no, it isn't wonderful really. More frustrating than anything but I can understand why you and others might think it was wonderful.>>
Dulcie - how did I forget to admire your sense of humour?
Dulcie - how did I forget to admire your sense of humour?
Jan 19th, 2014, 08:27 AM
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Peter-s, I have never advocated using a money belt on any travel forum believe me. Obviously, you are mixing me up with someone else. Or, you are simply lying intentionally.
Michael, the point I was making was that when you travel anywhere by any means, the risks are the same wherever you are travelling. Airports are a prime place to get something stolen. How do you avoid them when travelling? If you want to visit San Francisco, how do you avoid being part of the crowds walking on Fisherman's Wharf if you want to visit it? Do you think every native of San Francisco uses a money belt when walking on the Wharf?
If they don't do it at home, why do it somewhere else where the risks are no greater than at home? There is simply no logic in that. Again, Mimar got it right when writing that it provides 'peace of mind'. That it is no more secure than not having one is irrelevant to those who believe it is more secure. Putting your money in a zippered pocket (simply an alternative example) is just as secure.
When someone writes as you did that a money belt is worn under the clothing and therefore is less accessible to a robber, just how is it less accessible than a zippered pocket? Is IN your clothing not as inaccessible as UNDER your clothing? Explain the logic of that to me. The robber says, 'your money or your life'. Whether it is in your money belt or your pocket, you have a decision to make. BOTH are equally accessible to the robber. Neither is a 'snatch' like a woman's purse on her shoulder. BOTH require the robber to search you or for you to give it up. Do you really believe that someone preying on tourists says, 'empty your pockets' and doesn't know to check for a money belt?
Annhig, I have no sense of humour, my response was a perfectly serious one to what I took to be a perfectly serious comment by you.
Michael, the point I was making was that when you travel anywhere by any means, the risks are the same wherever you are travelling. Airports are a prime place to get something stolen. How do you avoid them when travelling? If you want to visit San Francisco, how do you avoid being part of the crowds walking on Fisherman's Wharf if you want to visit it? Do you think every native of San Francisco uses a money belt when walking on the Wharf?
If they don't do it at home, why do it somewhere else where the risks are no greater than at home? There is simply no logic in that. Again, Mimar got it right when writing that it provides 'peace of mind'. That it is no more secure than not having one is irrelevant to those who believe it is more secure. Putting your money in a zippered pocket (simply an alternative example) is just as secure.
When someone writes as you did that a money belt is worn under the clothing and therefore is less accessible to a robber, just how is it less accessible than a zippered pocket? Is IN your clothing not as inaccessible as UNDER your clothing? Explain the logic of that to me. The robber says, 'your money or your life'. Whether it is in your money belt or your pocket, you have a decision to make. BOTH are equally accessible to the robber. Neither is a 'snatch' like a woman's purse on her shoulder. BOTH require the robber to search you or for you to give it up. Do you really believe that someone preying on tourists says, 'empty your pockets' and doesn't know to check for a money belt?
Annhig, I have no sense of humour, my response was a perfectly serious one to what I took to be a perfectly serious comment by you.
Jan 19th, 2014, 08:41 AM
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<i> Is IN your clothing not as inaccessible as UNDER your clothing?</i>
Not if the pocket is an exterior pocket as with wind-breakers.
<i>Do you really believe that someone preying on tourists says, 'empty your pockets' and doesn't know to check for a money belt? </i>
That is not how pickpockets operate, and I think that they were the main theme of this thread.
Not if the pocket is an exterior pocket as with wind-breakers.
<i>Do you really believe that someone preying on tourists says, 'empty your pockets' and doesn't know to check for a money belt? </i>
That is not how pickpockets operate, and I think that they were the main theme of this thread.
Jan 19th, 2014, 08:42 AM
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<Do what you do at HOME, there is no difference anywhere else you go.>
Look mr logical, janisj and I are only saying there is a HUGE difference, in the outcome if something is lost or stolen when you are traveling in a foreign country compared to if it happened at home. Therefore the various extra precautions.
<If they don't do it at home, why do it somewhere else where the risks are no greater than at home?>
Because IF something goes wrong getting things replaced when traveling are NOT as easily done as if you were at home.
This concept is not rocket science for a normal person to understand.
Look mr logical, janisj and I are only saying there is a HUGE difference, in the outcome if something is lost or stolen when you are traveling in a foreign country compared to if it happened at home. Therefore the various extra precautions.
<If they don't do it at home, why do it somewhere else where the risks are no greater than at home?>
Because IF something goes wrong getting things replaced when traveling are NOT as easily done as if you were at home.
This concept is not rocket science for a normal person to understand.
Jan 19th, 2014, 08:59 AM
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Annhig, I have no sense of humour, my response was a perfectly serious one to what I took to be a perfectly serious comment by you.>>
well, sense of humour or not, that's one of the funniest things on this thread.
suze - well said. but I think that you are flogging a dead horse.
well, sense of humour or not, that's one of the funniest things on this thread.
suze - well said. but I think that you are flogging a dead horse.
Jan 19th, 2014, 12:21 PM
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Dulcie, you advocate keeping valuables in a zippered or Velcroed pocket. Good advice. It does assume that the traveller chooses to wear clothes with such pockets - and women's clothing is often devoid of secure pockets.
Sure, if you wear "travel" trousers, those trousers with zipp-off legs, then you will have pockets. Also you will mark yourself as a tourist. Of course, if Harry's bar declines to admit you when you have the legs detached, you can gain admission by attaching the legs. A poster on here, one Improviser, recounted this experience.
Sure, if you wear "travel" trousers, those trousers with zipp-off legs, then you will have pockets. Also you will mark yourself as a tourist. Of course, if Harry's bar declines to admit you when you have the legs detached, you can gain admission by attaching the legs. A poster on here, one Improviser, recounted this experience.
