I would like to locate a morning <BR>departure flight from the US east coast <BR>to Paris or London (specific dates not <BR>yet chosen). One that arrives in the <BR>evening is preferred. Is anybody aware <BR>of such a flight? I cannot find one on <BR>Expedia or Travelocity. <BR> <BR>Happy Travels, <BR> <BR>Gerry K

Gerry, <BR> <BR>8:30 AM Depart New York (JFK) <BR>Arrive London (LHR) 8:15 PM <BR>American Airlines 142 <BR> 9:45 AM Depart New York (JFK) <BR>Arrive London (LHR) 9:30 PM <BR>American Airlines 106 <BR> 8:25 AM Depart New York (JFK) <BR>Arrive London (LHR) 8:05 PM <BR>Virgin Atlantic 26 <BR> 9:05 AM Depart New York (JFK) <BR>Arrive London (LHR) 9:00 PM <BR>British Airways 178 <BR> 9:10 AM Depart New York (JFK) <BR>Arrive London (LHR) 9:20 PM <BR>United Airlines 976 <BR> 10:00 AM Depart Newark (EWR) <BR>Arrive London (LGW) 10:00 PM <BR>Continental 18 <BR> <BR>And there must be several more. <BR> <BR>Best wishes, <BR> <BR>Rex <BR>

Quite a few services from Boston too, which potentially reduces the flying time a little bit. I've never taken a daytime flight myself - wonder if this reduces the jet lag compared with an overnight flight?

Gerry: <BR> <BR>I've never taken one, but I'm pretty sure Air France has at least one morning flight per week leaving from Dulles - probably other East Coast cities as well.

I must be feeling my "old" (excessively?) pedantic self this morning (maybe "pedantic" always implies "excess"), but I think that the term "jet lag", as originally used, is NOT the problem people are talking about on this forum most of the time. <BR> <BR>Feeling exhausted the day after an overnight trans-atlantic flight is not "jet lag"; that's the normal fatigue that comes from sleep deprivation, combined with the change in time zones. Even the phenomenon of going to bed at 7 or 8 pm that first day and waking up at 3 or 4 am om your first full day in Europe (a common occurrence) is not really "jet lag". It is part of your body's adjustment to what you have done to it in the prior 48 hours. <BR> <BR>"Getting on" the "new" circadian rhythm of a location 6-12 time zones distant (from your origination point) takes 2 or 3 days, and that is normal. <BR> <BR>The inability to do that, the PERSISTENT feeling of being out of "sync" with the time zone where you are, being excessively irritable, moody or poorly adapted mentally/emotionally for days 3-4 and beyond after your arrival - - I think that THIS is what the term "jet lag" originally meant. The problem is still not well understood, as travelers are almost never "on" the circadian rhythm of their origination point when they experience this delayed inability to adapt. In other words, it is NOT your body "hanging on" to the time zone where you started (in North America, for example). If it were that, people would be staying up all night in Europe and sleeping until noon or later. While that might happen to a few people, it is not the problem I have heard most often. <BR> <BR>I am not sure that daytime flights from North America to Europe inherently reduce the chance of developing a delayed, persistent difficulty in adapting. <BR> <BR>Interestingly enough, I hear people say that the flight home (westbound, Europe to North America) "rarely causes me as much trouble" - - but I think they mean the ACUTE adaptation - - the next day. Yet many people find themselves "dragging" for 4 to 7 days after coming home from Europe. This is closer to what jet lag originally meant. Of course, the phenomenon of "post-vacation letdown" is often a factor after coming home, too. <BR> <BR>In any event, I hope that Gerry finds the flights desired. <BR> <BR>Best wishes, <BR> <BR>Rex <BR>

Gerry: <BR> <BR>Air Canada also has a 9 am flight from Toronto. I have taken it often and it it is definately my prefered flight time, particularly for a business trip. Almost totally elimanates the "disorientation" that I usually have after a night flight.

Gerry, <BR>Go to amadeus.net and click on availability, then enter the departure and arrival airports. You'll get a list of most all flights operating, most all carriers.

To those interested in whether or <BR>not a daytime flight has less negative <BR>impact on one's "condition," I would <BR>respond that it indeed does. <BR> <BR>Last May I took the Virgin Atlantic <BR>morning flight to Heathrow, arrived <BR>at approximately 10 PM, had a few <BR>drinks at the Heathrow Hilton, where I <BR>stayed, and slept through the night. <BR>The next day, I felt no jet lag. <BR>Two weeks ago I flew overnight, and <BR>spent days recovering from it. I will <BR>not do it again, if I can help it. <BR> <BR>Happy Travels, and thanks for the <BR>help. <BR> <BR>Gerry K

I'm with Gerry in that I most definitely feel better after a daytime flight.You just get into your hotel, have a bit to eat, drink lots of water and go to bed on European time. Next morning you're up and ready to go. I can't find any from California, unfortunately. We would have to connect to one of the above and that would require an overnight at the connecting city. How the airlines rule our lives!!

I know for a fact that the daytime flight from London to Los Angeles is rough on the system. It makes me feel 10 times worse then the flight over, which is at night. We drag for 5 days after we get home but going over is not a problem - just get outside, stay awake until 9 p.m. or so and then sleep till morning. You folks on the east coast don't know how easy you have it compared to the long flights from the west coast.

A daytime flight from California to London would be difficult. <BR> <BR>For example, from LAX it would have to leave around 5:30 AM, and arrive in London at around midnight. <BR> <BR>

Lori, I don't believe that your daytime flight to CA vs your nighttime flight to Eur has much to do with it. I believe that, like me, your body can just adapt more quickly going W-&gt;E than it can going E-&gt;W. I always drag when I come home from Europe, but have no problems to European time. But if going to Asia, I drag while I'm there. I have the same problem (but to a lesser extent) when I'm going from NY to the west coast in the U.S. I've read that there are three types of people: 1) those who have no problems in either direction; 2) those who can't go West without a problem; and 3) those who can't go East without a problem. Think you and I are #2s.

With lots of transatlantic crossings behind me I avoid daytime flights to Europe from the US. Arrival is around 10pm, or about 5pm NYC time (2pm west coast). I have a hard time, and I mean a hard time, going to sleep at 5pm for the night. I suppose if you suck down enough booze you'll sleep, but I don't function too well with a hangover the next day. <BR> <BR>For some a daytime flight is necessary. I've done them and shun them. <BR> <BR>twenj

I guess you are right, Linda - we're #2's with the jetlag scenario. I just envy those who say "it never bothers me". They are either very lucky or liars and won't admit to it.

No, Lori, my late husband was a #1 and he really was not affected. He just dove back into daily life with his normal enthusiasm. It really p***ed me off. And it took him a few years to realize that my problem was real. He never did understand it, but did give me the room I needed to recover.

I have found that the morning I arrive, I start dragging my butt midday, but if I am out & it's sunny - I perk up quite a bit later on. I've stayed up until 1 AM or even later, on my first day in Europe many times (going out with friends, etc.) however you have to catch up, so the next morning I sleep until 1030 when that has happened. but after that, I am completely on schedule. <BR> <BR>going home - many times, same thing. woohooo! gotta catch up with my friends - so we'll be out until you guessed it - late. and I get home and it's really the next day, body-time. <BR> <BR>THEN I butt-drag that whole day cuz I wake up when it is light out - 3-4 hours later... I am usually on track if I get a good night's sleep that next night though. <BR> <BR>

I'm with Ed - incredible though it may sound, I actually adapt better going W - E having been up all night on a plane. As the plane touches down at 10 am or so, my east coast body feels it's about 5 am, so I'm waking up. I run on adrenaline until nightfall, when I go to bed at the 'new' time. It feels a little earlier to be going to bed, so the first night's sleep isn't great, but it helps to be so tired from being up all night the night before. <BR> <BR>Going E to w is always easier, because by that time my body is on Europe time. As the plane touches down in the early afternoon, my Europeanized body feels that it is already early evening; by the time I get home in the early evening, it feels like midnight; by the time I go to bed, feels like 2 a.m and I sleep like a log. <BR> <BR>Interesting that not everyone feels this way. I thought most people found it easier to go to bed 'later' rather than 'earlier' than usual, such that they found it easier to adapt going W-E.