Advice on apartment rental in Paris
#21

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You can use Google Translate to get a fairly decent translation.
I ended up staying in Bagnolet, right on the border of the 20° arrondissment. Bagnolet, as far as I could determine, has no regulations about short-term rentals.
I ended up staying in Bagnolet, right on the border of the 20° arrondissment. Bagnolet, as far as I could determine, has no regulations about short-term rentals.
#22
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"Bagnolet, as far as I could determine, has no regulations about short-term rentals"
Not so..
Although distance from the center lessens an owner's chances of being caught, Paris suburban rentals are regulated as in the quote below from
ne of many sources on the web
https://www.morningcroissant.com/hel...-in-france-114
In some cities, the rental of your secondary residence (i.e. pied-à-terre) requires the prior authorization or temporary authorization of the municipal government to modify the use of your accommodation within the premises intended for the tourist rental. It may concern:
- Municipalities of more than 200,000 inhabitants,
- The communes of the inner-ring suburbs of Paris (the departments of Hauts-de-Seine, Seine-Saint-Denis, and Val-de-Marne),
- Municipalities of more than 50,000 inhabitants forming part of the so-called stretched areas (with a high imbalance between supply and demand for housing).
Not so..
Although distance from the center lessens an owner's chances of being caught, Paris suburban rentals are regulated as in the quote below from
ne of many sources on the webhttps://www.morningcroissant.com/hel...-in-france-114
In some cities, the rental of your secondary residence (i.e. pied-à-terre) requires the prior authorization or temporary authorization of the municipal government to modify the use of your accommodation within the premises intended for the tourist rental. It may concern:
- Municipalities of more than 200,000 inhabitants,
- The communes of the inner-ring suburbs of Paris (the departments of Hauts-de-Seine, Seine-Saint-Denis, and Val-de-Marne),
- Municipalities of more than 50,000 inhabitants forming part of the so-called stretched areas (with a high imbalance between supply and demand for housing).
#23

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I did a careful search specifically for Bagnolet, and the only restrictions I could find applied to longer-term rentals, and were intended to make sure all rental properties that would be the primary resident of the tenant were up to standard. This is the where I got that idea:
https://www.ville-bagnolet.fr/index...._de_louer.html
If I missed some other restriction, it was not due to carelessness. Is it impossible to find a legal apartment in the Paris area unless you're a real estate lawyer?
https://www.ville-bagnolet.fr/index...._de_louer.html
If I missed some other restriction, it was not due to carelessness. Is it impossible to find a legal apartment in the Paris area unless you're a real estate lawyer?
#24
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I'm having trouble understanding these rentals.
From the link furnished by Macross
"As we travel a lot, checkmyguest is helping us to manage our airbnbs"
How can this be? A legal rental can only be one's primary residence rented for less than 120 days/year, In the above case airbnbs is plural. These people have plural primary residences? Again how can this be?
From the link furnished by Macross
"As we travel a lot, checkmyguest is helping us to manage our airbnbs"
How can this be? A legal rental can only be one's primary residence rented for less than 120 days/year, In the above case airbnbs is plural. These people have plural primary residences? Again how can this be?
I actually emailed Alex at PVA to ask why the registration number isn’t listed, and he said exactly what one of you said - people cheat and put the number on their own rentals. He does have the number for each apartment, and they’re legal. And they’re rented more than 120 days per year because they are not primary residences - they are strictly business rentals. Hope that answers some of your concerns.
All that is important to an owner is that:
- he is the primary, full time occupant of the apartment
- he rents it fewer than 120 days annually
- he has registered with the city
- the registration number is clearly visible on any advertisement or solicitation.
There are a few business rentals in Paris. It is very expensive and difficult to get these licensed in Paris which is why there are fewer than 170 in the city. You can check the building addresses (not the apartments themselves) in which these apartments are located using this city website.
Last edited by Sarastro; Jan 9th, 2020 at 09:34 AM.
#25

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You can go by their Paris office at 86 Blvd. de Clichy in the 18th and ask. So can the authorities. I suspect that it is because their apartments are not likely even residential, but in fact approved as commercial, which is why they don't have to follow the registration requirements generally, just like hotels don't have to follow them.
#26
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I checked on the city website linked above and all of the addresses I've rented from PVA are on that list. In instances where I know they have multiple units in a building, that is noted on the above list. I'm sure there are many I am not aware of but I am comfortable renting from this agency
#27
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"Is it impossible to find a legal apartment in the Paris area unless you're a real estate lawyer?"
No. Booking.com openly states that all the apartment rentals listed on the Booking.com site are legal. One can also find the 13 digit regis. number openly on the website listing involved. It's required by law. The law is there to help. If the listing doesn't have the regis. number. it's most likely illegal.
No. Booking.com openly states that all the apartment rentals listed on the Booking.com site are legal. One can also find the 13 digit regis. number openly on the website listing involved. It's required by law. The law is there to help. If the listing doesn't have the regis. number. it's most likely illegal.
#28
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Booking.com openly states that all the apartment rentals listed on the Booking.com site are legal. One can also find the 13 digit regis. number openly on the website listing involved. It's required by law. The law is there to help. If the listing doesn't have the regis. number. it's most likely illegal.
It is entirely possibly to register a vacation home as a rental but doing so does not make the apartment legal for renting. Vacation homes are not, by definition, primary residents. Eventually, the city will catch up with those fraudulently registering apartments which are not primary residents. In the meantime, all anyone can do is assume that an apartment with a registration number is legal.
#30
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Thank you for your recommendation on Citadine. Unfortunately they don't have any 2 bedrooms available. I like the suggestion of aparthotels which I will search to see if there are others. Does anyone know of others they would recommend.
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Thank you Envierges for the booking.com suggestion. Where on the site does it state that all the apartment rentals are legal? I can't seem to find it. This is definitely a good option as they have a lot more choices and prices seem to be more reasonable for some.
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#33
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My understanding is that Booking.com will not accept listings that are not legal and I have never heard comments otherwise. The registration number should be posted.
https://partner.booking.com/en-us/he...nd-regulations
https://partner.booking.com/en-us/he...nd-regulations
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#34

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My understanding is that Booking.com will not accept listings that are not legal and I have never heard comments otherwise. The registration number should be posted.
https://partner.booking.com/en-us/he...nd-regulations
https://partner.booking.com/en-us/he...nd-regulations
#35

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"Is it impossible to find a legal apartment in the Paris area unless you're a real estate lawyer?"
No. Booking.com openly states that all the apartment rentals listed on the Booking.com site are legal. One can also find the 13 digit regis. number openly on the website listing involved. It's required by law. The law is there to help. If the listing doesn't have the regis. number. it's most likely illegal.
No. Booking.com openly states that all the apartment rentals listed on the Booking.com site are legal. One can also find the 13 digit regis. number openly on the website listing involved. It's required by law. The law is there to help. If the listing doesn't have the regis. number. it's most likely illegal.
#36

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https://www.booking.com/hotel/fr/pvb...ont.en-gb.html
Enter 5 people and request 1 room to see the 2-bedroom apartment.
#37

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We stayed in a hotel room last year in Paris with a small kitchenette. If you need a proper kitchen, with full facilities, that wouldn't work but we could put together a simple meal easily. Especially as there was a Marks and Spencer just down the road that had a reasonable small supermarket. Monoprix also nearby from memory. The hotel was Hotel Excelsior Latin. I think we had a fridge, microwave, kettle, plates, cutlery etc but no cooking equipment like pots and pans. There must be other hotels around with kitchenettes, if this would work for you. I just noticed they have a family suite but our room was a normal queen type room, though more spacious than we expected.
https://www.excelsior-paris-hotel.com/rooms
Kay
https://www.excelsior-paris-hotel.com/rooms
Kay
#39
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I would still go with airbnb, did you look at the one I posted? What area do you want to be in?
Airbnb is teaming up with the Olympics to house people in Paris. Explain that.
Airbnb is teaming up with the Olympics to house people in Paris. Explain that.
Last edited by Macross; Jan 10th, 2020 at 03:58 AM.
#40
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'Airbnb is teaming up with the Olympics to house people in Paris'
Paris and Mayor Hidalgo are furious. Another development that will be interesting to watch.
Something else to think about in the light of this
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...r-and-tourists
https://parispropertygroup.com/blog/...s-real-estate/
Is a city a museum for tourists or a residence for citizens...can it be both? My neighborhood at the outskirts of Paris has become much livelier as people move from central Paris. Paris is dynamic and changing at its outer edges, while a tourist ghetto is being created in the center.
Paris and Mayor Hidalgo are furious. Another development that will be interesting to watch.
Something else to think about in the light of this
https://www.theguardian.com/world/20...r-and-tourists
https://parispropertygroup.com/blog/...s-real-estate/
Is a city a museum for tourists or a residence for citizens...can it be both? My neighborhood at the outskirts of Paris has become much livelier as people move from central Paris. Paris is dynamic and changing at its outer edges, while a tourist ghetto is being created in the center.
Last edited by Envierges; Jan 10th, 2020 at 05:13 AM.

