Advice on apartment rental in Paris
 

Just learned from this forum about legal versus illegal apartment rentals in Paris and now feel nervous about renting. I’ve rented many times from Vrbo and Airbnb with no issue. We will be traveling in JULY. Dates not confirmed yet. We are looking for a 2 bedroom apartment. Unfortunately we must have a kitchen so a hotel room won’t work for us. Budget $300-400 USD. Might need to go down to a one bedroom depending on prices. Does anyone have a recommended apartment or company you have used which are legal? I’ve done a google search but it’s pretty vast and I can’t seem to weed out the illegal ones. At this time, not picky about location.

Paris vacation apartments. They’re legal. The Luxury two bedroom is beautiful, located on the gardens of the Palais Royal. Good luck!

Sorry, website: https://www.parisvacationapartments.com/en

Ditto Iwan2go recommendation regarding PVA. We stayed in one of their Palais Royale 2 br apartments years ago (2008) and loved it.

I will third the PVA recommendation. DW and I stayed with another couple here: https://www.parisvacationapartments....t-two-bedroom/

It was on the Mairie website in 2016 when stayed, but I haven't checked since.

The Citadine chain of aparthotels offers all the services of a hotel with the privacy (and kitchen) of an apartment. They have various locations in Paris. I was considering them for our recent trip to Paris, but they had no apartments big enough for our group of seven. They did have two-bedroom apartments, as well as one-bedroom apartments with a sofabed in the living room.

https://www.citadines.com/en/destina...UaAr01EALw_wcB

These are all legal.

The apartment linked to is indeed lovely and in a super location, but I do have two concerns.
1. The registration number according to law should be shown on the website
2. The apartment is rented for way more than 120 days/year. Check the calendar

What's the deal?

I have found many with the registration number. Where do you want to stay?

I'm having trouble understanding these rentals.

From the link furnished by Macross
"As we travel a lot, checkmyguest is helping us to manage our airbnbs"

How can this be? A legal rental can only be one's primary residence rented for less than 120 days/year, In the above case airbnbs is plural. These people have plural primary residences? Again how can this be?

Check my guest is an airbnb service, most of these apartments have services that check people in and out and clean the apartment. I am not a huge fan but people that own them have a life and aren't always in Paris. My fav place was owned by the lady on the 1st and 2nd floor. We stayed in her daughter's 3rd floor apartment that was working in Eygyt. She owned the building and rented the top floor out to a man full time.

Speaking of apartment rentals, Dublin news said there are a 1000 more apartments listed on airbnb since the ban went into law. We stayed at our normal place where our friend has 3 apartments in the building and would love to sell one or two but no buyers. She has them listed but no buyers or renters at the price they are worth. I imagine Paris is the same. Housing needed but no one can afford the monthly rental or price of the apartment. A one bedroom in Dublin is over 200,000 plus monthly fees and these are across from Dublin castle. Busy area. I love the one we had this trip facing the courtyard. She said she never took her ads off of airbnb. We just rent directly with her as we know each other. Our other friend in the city has a med student renting a room in his house. He is gone so much he never sees him. He said most on his street have one. Win-win.

PVA's website says: "Please note that all our apartments have a Paris official registration license number. It can be sent to you upon request. "

Can think of no good reason why the number is not on the apartment listing.

Some have said they steal them and put on their listing but seems easy enough to track them if they did. My last two rentals had the number listed.

Since the law went into effect, there have been many questions asked. I suppose if one has plural residences in the affected areas of France, one can choose one address to be a primary and have, with the tax authorities, listed the others as secondary. But, even with a primary it can only be rented 120 days or less a year. If the property is mortgaged, that's probably not cost effective.

As Macross points out "She has them listed but no buyers or renters at the price they are worth. I imagine Paris is the same." What they are worth as tourist rental properties is not at all what they are worth as regular rentals or for occupancy sales. This is directly related to the effect of driving up housing costs to price points locals can't afford, and in effect, what this anti-short term rental controversy is all about.

I'm very interested in watching all this play out. Some have said that this year's Paris elections will hit the Airbnb controversy hard as many Parisians are fed up. We'll see.

I actually emailed Alex at PVA to ask why the registration number isn’t listed, and he said exactly what one of you said - people cheat and put the number on their own rentals. He does have the number for each apartment, and they’re legal. And they’re rented more than 120 days per year because they are not primary residences - they are strictly business rentals. Hope that answers some of your concerns.

Means it's illegal

"a" number listed. no one can know whether it's "the" number.

Maybe book an apart-hotel as bvlenci suggested.

It wouldn't answer mine, but that's me.

I have asked for the registration # from PVA in the past and received a 2 page document, a declaration of deposee (?) I don't speak French but it included lots of information about the business and a registration #.