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Old Dec 25th, 2017, 06:53 PM
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14 days in Germany, Austria and Switzerland

First trip to Europe and will fly into Frankfurt. Need recommendations for two adults to plan an
itinerary to include Munich, Heidelberg, Innsbruck, Salzberg, Halstadt and Vienna.
Please include tips on travel to include train or car? Lodging and meal recommendations appreciated.
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Old Dec 25th, 2017, 07:51 PM
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Hello MK, We did this trip just under a year ago and we had an amazing time because of the help from Fodorites. When do you go and do you fly out of Frankfurt?

We went everywhere by train (except for the bus between Salzburg and the lakes which was easy and a wonderfully, scenic ride).

If you post the things you like I, and others, can give you the best tips.

Also budget for your lodging - cheap, middle or fancy?
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Old Dec 25th, 2017, 09:19 PM
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If you haven't already booked your flights, consider options for flying into one city and out of another, called "open jaw" and identified on many booking sites as "multi city." When estimating costs, remember that if you book round-trip instead, you will lose time and money getting back to your point of origin.

I think your itinerary could work in a 2-week trip, although it might be a bit tight, particularly if you do have to return to Frankfurt -- you'll need to think through your priorities in advance and plan accordingly.

If you don't already them, I strongly recommend that you get a good guidebook or two. The costs will be nominal in comparison to the cost of your trip, you will have a wealth of information at your fingertips, you will learn things you don't even know to ask, and you might even find some money-saving tips.

For most of this trip, a car will not be needed and could even be an impediment. You can get a sense of your public transportation options on rome2rio.com, but please consult the links to which it directs you, as the main site is not sensitive to seasonal variation in schedules.

For lodging, consult booking.com.

Hope that helps!
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Old Dec 26th, 2017, 01:58 AM
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Everything can easily be done by train:
FRA airport - Heidelberg, Heidelberg - Stuttgart, Stuttgart - Munich, Munich - Innsbruck, Innsbruck - Salzburg, Salzburg - Attnang-Puchheim, Attnang-Puchheim - Hallstatt and back, Attnang-Puchheim - Vienna.
But what about Switzerland?
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Old Dec 26th, 2017, 05:45 AM
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trains for sure can do all that and cars would be nice too except for large cities where they are useless and public transit so fine -check www.seat61.com; www.budgeteuropetravel.com and www.ricksteves.com for all you need to know about trains -check into Austrian Railpass if taking all those trains in Austria and want to just show up and hop on just about any.

neckervd has given a very logical itineraryl

Consider including Wachau Valley as a day trip by train, boat and bus from Vienna.
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Old Dec 26th, 2017, 07:43 AM
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Munich, Heidelberg, Innsbruck, Salzberg, Halstadt and Vienna.>

14 days - a lot - scratch Heidelberg as it is way out of way from other places like are lined up like ducks. Still a lot - may also suggest dropping Innsbruck.

Munich-Salzburg- Hallstatt and end in Vienna -fly into Munich and out of Vienna. That would be plenty IMO.
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Old Dec 26th, 2017, 09:03 AM
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Oh flying into Frankfurt -missed that - in that case Heidelberg would be a great place for first overnight - then train to Munich. 1 night enough for Heidelberg, a lovely town - one of few in Germany not seriously damaged in WW2 but fairly small - do the castle and walk around the old town.
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Yes, we plan to go in early June and fly in an out of Frankfurt. We are looking for moderate priced lodging and meals.

Thank you for all of the information....sounds like public transportation is best. Luggage is the question as we travel from town to town.
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What is moderate pricing for you?
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Mktrip - with only 2 weeks - 14 nights - and 1 night for the plane over, and flying in and out of one airport (Frankfurt), this is not going to be an easy trip to plan. I am not suggesting the following is a great itinerary, but if you are young and energetic then to cover the territory you want:

Plane over - 1 night
Train to Munich first day - 2 nights
Salzburg - 2 nights; Hallstatt is pretty, but you probably can get a lot of countryside by just taking one of those "Sound of Music" daytrips.
Vienna - 3 nights

***Consider an internal flight (about 1.5 hours plus check-in time) Vienna to Zurich, 1 night *** Flying to Bern would be more convenient but almost twice as expensive. Skip Innsbruck

Lauterbrunnen - 2 nights/11 nights so far
Baden-Baden, - 2 nights - think hard about Heidelberg.
Your last night will probably have to be at Frankfurt airport - 1 night - for your 14th night.
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If you don't like the idea of an internal flight then something radical must be planned, like dropping Vienna.

Flight over - 1 night
Munich - 2 nights
Salzburg - 2 nights, maybe 3
Innsbruck - 1 night
Lucerne - 1 night
Lauterbrunnen - 2 nights, maybe 3
Baden-Baden - 2
Frankfurt airport - 1
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Old Dec 27th, 2017, 07:23 AM
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How about

fly into Vienna
Salzburg
Munich
lucerne
Wengen/Lauterbrunnen
Rhine Gorge
Frankfurt
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Old Dec 27th, 2017, 11:26 AM
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There is also an overnight train between Vienna, Salzburg and Zurich, just a short train ride from Lucerne.

Baden-Baden is a neat thermal resort but I'd go more for the Rhine Gorge as a stop before Frankfurt.
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Another suggestion: fly into Frankfurt and catch a connecting flight to Vienna, then do some reasonable approximation of your itinerary on the return. Presumably you'll be jet lagged, anyway, so why not make the most of it by carrying on to Vienna? From there you can travel on public transportation for the remainder of your itinerary.
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I don't think flying 'into Frankfurt and catching a connecting flight to Vienna" is a good idea. Flying into Vienna IS a good idea, but you'd book the ticket to "Viennna" (with a stop over probably but necessarily Frankfurt). You would book open jaws (multi-city) into Vienna and home from Frankfurt. But don't book RT in and out of Frankfurt and then plan to catch a separate flight to Vienna. If you flight to Frankfurt is delayed you would miss the Vienna flight and have to eat the cost of the ticket.

I think it would be a good trip if you leave Switzerland out. I'm planning a similar trip (no Switzerland) but I have 18 days and a few different stops, but overall the same territory. The itinerary posted above by neckervd would work.

One thing to think about in planning a trip like this is if you prefer day trips (which involve backtracking obviously) over 1 night stays. Both have their pros and cons. Whether you travel light vs not so light and requiring a lot of time checking in/out packing/unpacking makes a difference.
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What's wrong with flying into Frankfurt and out of Vienna? Well with just 14 days and your main wish list is in Austria I'd fly Frankfurt and yes fly from there to Vienna - do Austria and fly home from Munich or v.v.
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.sounds like public transportation is best. Luggage is the question as we travel from town to town.>

Trains have ample room for normal luggages. Overhead racks by your seats best and may be room under or between seat backs for small bags. No problem at all. Railways no longer do checked luggage.
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If traveling by train PACK LIGHT - lots of stairs incuding on some trains two steps up to get into train and some are double-deckers - navigating narrow potentially crowded train aisles another problem as are large stations to get to exit, taxis or public transit. And changing trains can be harder too especially tight connections. Wheels are imperative for anything not on your back and many backpacks these days convert to wheelies when want - wheels can go up and down stairs rather well.
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