Gate 1 Cruise on Luftner’s Amadeus Silver – Substituted Bus Tour
Nov 3rd, 2015, 01:25 PM
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Gate 1 Cruise on Luftner’s Amadeus Silver – Substituted Bus Tour
We booked a 14-night cruise through Gate 1 from Amsterdam to Budapest on Luftner’s Amadeus Silver. Just before we left for Europe, we were told that because of low water, we would receive a 5-day substitute bus tour and then join the ship in Passau for a 9-day cruise on the Danube. Our cruise review was previously posted a short while ago.
When told about the substitute bus tour, we were offered the opportunity to cancel and get a refund of the cruise fare, but neither Luftner nor Gate 1 would refund the $2000+ airfare that was purchased as part of the package. This was the first unhappy surprise.
Luftner did not provide Gate 1 or us information about the hotels until the day after the go/no-go decision had to be made. Thus, we were forced to make the important go/no-go decision without knowing the qualities or locations of the hotels that Luftner was substituting for the cruise ship. This, in my opinion, was unfair unless the hotel ratings and locations were truly equivalent – and they were not!!!
Luftner claims at least twice on its website that the Amadeus Silver is a 5-star hotel. That is a major reason why we booked this cruise.
As it turned out, not one of the substituted hotels was or is rated 5 stars. For instance, the Amsterdam hotel was the Courtyard Atlas Arena, for which the star ratings range from 3.0 stars (Trabber Hotels) to 3.5 stars (hotels.com and Venere.com) to 4.0 (Trip Advisor and Expedia).
This hotel’s location is terrible and way out in the suburbs and far from Central Amsterdam. The nearest train station is 10 metro stops away from Central Station. Walking to the station, buying a ticket, waiting for the next train (Sunday headways) and riding to the City Center took approximately 1 hour each way. This was a terrible way to spend our free day in Amsterdam. This hotel was a bad substitute for the cruise ship and its normal Amsterdam dock/pier.
The Hotel Kongress in Bamberg is widely rated to be 3.0 and 3.5 stars, and well below 5 stars. We disliked this hotel because of extreme heat and discomfort in both the room and in the hotel hallways. The hotel staff admitted that that these conditions were ongoing problems.
In summary, none of the substituted hotels is rated 5 stars as is the ship. Two hotels are rated “a solid” 4 stars, and two of the hotels are rated significantly lower than that.
Luftner substituted lower quality hotels and did not tell us the hotel names or locations until after the go/no-go decision had to be made. This was very unfair.
The substituted meals for the five days were all below cruise-ship standards. All five dinners were served buffet style and not the fine sit-down dining experienced on cruise ships.
There were a number of other downgrades we received while on the bus tour when compared with what we would have received on the ship.
Low water is an Act of God and/or something that cruise lines cannot prevent. But was the downgrading of our vacation necessary, or was the downgrading something that Luftner could have avoided?
During the cruise, we met a few Viking River Cruises (VRC) tour guides and cruise passengers. Those booked all the way from Amsterdam to Budapest (in either direction) were being accommodated by ship all the way. They were being bused around the low water in a single day while touring interesting places in between. While they had to pack and unpack once, they were receiving all of their nights on the water and on two equivalent ships, and no nights in a hotel.
Since returning home, I contacted VRC and they confirmed what I was told. VRC protected their passengers using what they call “ship swap,” and busing the passengers around the low-water area. VRC said that their cruise schedules are set up to minimize passenger impacts because of low-water conditions, and that is what they did in this case.
It is obvious to me that VRC planned and intended to take as best care of the VRC clients as possible, and that Luftner was not prepared for the low-water conditions, and that Luftner did not take prudent steps to minimize impacts on its clients!!!
In summary, I believe that Luftner treated us very unfairly and poorly. Gate 1 told me that they petitioned Luftner to provide some amends for these and other issues that we experienced and reported, but that Luftner refused to provide any adjustment. Apparently, Gate 1 has no leverage or clout with Luftner!? In any case, Gate 1 blamed Luftner for all the problems we reported.
(Gate 1 did provide a pro rata refund of the cabin upgrade (French balcony) we paid because it was something not received during the 5 land days.)
Steve McEvoy
West Chester, PA
[email protected]
When told about the substitute bus tour, we were offered the opportunity to cancel and get a refund of the cruise fare, but neither Luftner nor Gate 1 would refund the $2000+ airfare that was purchased as part of the package. This was the first unhappy surprise.
Luftner did not provide Gate 1 or us information about the hotels until the day after the go/no-go decision had to be made. Thus, we were forced to make the important go/no-go decision without knowing the qualities or locations of the hotels that Luftner was substituting for the cruise ship. This, in my opinion, was unfair unless the hotel ratings and locations were truly equivalent – and they were not!!!
Luftner claims at least twice on its website that the Amadeus Silver is a 5-star hotel. That is a major reason why we booked this cruise.
As it turned out, not one of the substituted hotels was or is rated 5 stars. For instance, the Amsterdam hotel was the Courtyard Atlas Arena, for which the star ratings range from 3.0 stars (Trabber Hotels) to 3.5 stars (hotels.com and Venere.com) to 4.0 (Trip Advisor and Expedia).
This hotel’s location is terrible and way out in the suburbs and far from Central Amsterdam. The nearest train station is 10 metro stops away from Central Station. Walking to the station, buying a ticket, waiting for the next train (Sunday headways) and riding to the City Center took approximately 1 hour each way. This was a terrible way to spend our free day in Amsterdam. This hotel was a bad substitute for the cruise ship and its normal Amsterdam dock/pier.
The Hotel Kongress in Bamberg is widely rated to be 3.0 and 3.5 stars, and well below 5 stars. We disliked this hotel because of extreme heat and discomfort in both the room and in the hotel hallways. The hotel staff admitted that that these conditions were ongoing problems.
In summary, none of the substituted hotels is rated 5 stars as is the ship. Two hotels are rated “a solid” 4 stars, and two of the hotels are rated significantly lower than that.
Luftner substituted lower quality hotels and did not tell us the hotel names or locations until after the go/no-go decision had to be made. This was very unfair.
The substituted meals for the five days were all below cruise-ship standards. All five dinners were served buffet style and not the fine sit-down dining experienced on cruise ships.
There were a number of other downgrades we received while on the bus tour when compared with what we would have received on the ship.
Low water is an Act of God and/or something that cruise lines cannot prevent. But was the downgrading of our vacation necessary, or was the downgrading something that Luftner could have avoided?
During the cruise, we met a few Viking River Cruises (VRC) tour guides and cruise passengers. Those booked all the way from Amsterdam to Budapest (in either direction) were being accommodated by ship all the way. They were being bused around the low water in a single day while touring interesting places in between. While they had to pack and unpack once, they were receiving all of their nights on the water and on two equivalent ships, and no nights in a hotel.
Since returning home, I contacted VRC and they confirmed what I was told. VRC protected their passengers using what they call “ship swap,” and busing the passengers around the low-water area. VRC said that their cruise schedules are set up to minimize passenger impacts because of low-water conditions, and that is what they did in this case.
It is obvious to me that VRC planned and intended to take as best care of the VRC clients as possible, and that Luftner was not prepared for the low-water conditions, and that Luftner did not take prudent steps to minimize impacts on its clients!!!
In summary, I believe that Luftner treated us very unfairly and poorly. Gate 1 told me that they petitioned Luftner to provide some amends for these and other issues that we experienced and reported, but that Luftner refused to provide any adjustment. Apparently, Gate 1 has no leverage or clout with Luftner!? In any case, Gate 1 blamed Luftner for all the problems we reported.
(Gate 1 did provide a pro rata refund of the cabin upgrade (French balcony) we paid because it was something not received during the 5 land days.)
Steve McEvoy
West Chester, PA
[email protected]
Nov 3rd, 2015, 03:56 PM
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Sorry to hear of your hard time. I have read plenty here to convince me to never take a river cruise though in all fairness there are plenty of complaints here about VRC too so I would not put that much stock in them either. Stick to ocean cruises.
Nov 6th, 2015, 05:57 AM
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We have had a few problems on ocean cruises, but the cruise lines do try to deal with the problems. We have always been compensated for problems, even missing a tender port because of the weather (for which the cruise line could stiff the passengers.
Luftner has demonstrated that they do not care, and Gate 1 apparently has no leverage.
Steve McEvoy
Luftner has demonstrated that they do not care, and Gate 1 apparently has no leverage.
Steve McEvoy
Nov 6th, 2015, 10:24 AM
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Like I said no river cruises for us. We like the many amenities on a large ship to begin with and the thought of busing it is just too much.
Again sorry to hear of your bad time. Unlike many negative reviews here yours was not a rant, rave and leave job. Thanks for answering the replies as well.
Better luck next time though that should be a safe bet.
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Larry
Again sorry to hear of your bad time. Unlike many negative reviews here yours was not a rant, rave and leave job. Thanks for answering the replies as well.
Better luck next time though that should be a safe bet.
. Larry
Nov 8th, 2015, 06:36 PM
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We took a lovely Gate 1 cruise on the Danube River in May 2013 with no problems. Our pre cruise and post cruise hotels were 4* and well located. BUT, our ship was the M/S Sound of Music which was never described as 5*. I have no knowledge of Luftner or their relationship to Gate 1.
I'm sorry you had a bad experience.
I'm sorry you had a bad experience.
Nov 11th, 2015, 08:15 PM
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Betty K:
Gate1 sold us the cruise package - airfare and cruise. The ship Amadeus Silver was owned and operated by Luftner.
I was told in the past that Gate1 does not own or operate the M/S Sound of Music but charters it. It is my understanding that the crew works for the operating company and not Gate1.
Steve McEvoy
Gate1 sold us the cruise package - airfare and cruise. The ship Amadeus Silver was owned and operated by Luftner.
I was told in the past that Gate1 does not own or operate the M/S Sound of Music but charters it. It is my understanding that the crew works for the operating company and not Gate1.
Steve McEvoy
