St. Thomas Armed Robberies

May 6th, 2002, 09:03 AM
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Hi Joe,

I agree completely with Ronnie and have found his advice to be of great value on many different travel boards. I don't seem to remember seeing your productive posts on any boards though. I don't even own property on any of the USVI.

As for the link that was posted, I don't believe Ronnie had a problem with it, rather that if one wants the 'real' story of what is going on, one needs to understand much of the 'back-room' politics that takes place on the islands. The public statement issued by Carnival cruise lines conveniently forgets to mention the multi-million dollar hit it stands to take due to the cancelling of the development project it was backing.

As in the states, you can take the 'pablum' answer that is spoon fed to those unwilling to delve into the backround of issues or you can take the time to research beyond the easy answer. In this case some very knowledgeable individuals were trying to give more of the story than might be apparent to the casual observer.

Sorry if you don't like my answer, but try posting something that helps travelers to the USVI instead of grinding that axe.

Just my opinion.

Schultz
 
May 6th, 2002, 09:14 AM
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Joe
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Schultz,

you and Ron both have an email address in the same format ([email protected] and [email protected]). What's up with that, are you AOL buddies or something, or do you both just cover each others backs?

By the way, I post info about many different countries, I'm not just pushing one island like you guys seem to be, if you are separate people that is.
 
May 6th, 2002, 12:11 PM
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Joe,

Yes, we are both on America on Line.....just like tens of millions of other people all around the world. Guess that means we are the same person. DUH!

Your last post proves my point. You have nothing positive to offer and only want to make derogatory comments when people don't agree with your juvenile posting. If you can't contribute to increasing everyone's knowledge and information about the Virgin Islands, stick with the other boards you frequent.

Personally, I stick with the couple of boards that deal with the islands I know best and have the most information to share. Obviously not a concern to you from what you say.

Schultz
 
May 6th, 2002, 12:38 PM
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Joe, sorry the link did not work. Something is wrong, can't even get onto their website.
In regard to why I chose to ask why David1019 would write about Carnival Cruise line pulling out of St. Croix is this. Although St. Thomas and St. Croix are in the Virgin Islands, they are two different islands. The person asked about St. Thomas. To post a link about St. Croix and their problems with Carnival is irrelevant to me. Just like trying to compare New York City to Rochester. Same things don't apply to both cities.
Yes, I own rental properties in St. Thomas. So what? Do you see me advertising them? I am a 4th generation Virgin Islander and just would like us to get a fair shake, rather than having to answer to a few detractors that always want to discredit the USVI for reasons unknown to me!
Ronnie
 
May 6th, 2002, 12:41 PM
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Oh yeah, another thing. When I chose my screenname for AOL,I thought I was unique. I have since met online GuyUSVI and well as a USVISuzyQ. All three of us are different people with interests in the USVI in common!
Ronnie
 
May 6th, 2002, 12:43 PM
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Joe
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All I care about is the facts, which you and "Ronnie" want to spin according to your needs. I'm just happy to have pointed out where you guys are coming from (ie Ronnie owns two rental properties there). I'll take links to facts on the web over the opinions of guys like you guys any day. You just can't let ANYTHING negative be said about the USVI, you guys are POSERS.
 
May 6th, 2002, 12:56 PM
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Joe,

You don't care anything about the facts, especially when they don't back up your own little version of things. That is clear.

As for POSERS...you are the one who doesn't list a valid email address. I wonder how many different names you've posted under on this board.

Schultz
 
May 6th, 2002, 01:01 PM
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OK here's my "real" email address, am I legit like you POSERS now?

Here's a fact for you. The USVI has a murder rate 5 times the national rate in the US as reported here...

http://www.onepaper.com/stthomasvi/?v=d&i=&s=News%3ALocal&p=46435

Now lets listen to the USVI buddies whimper about how it's not really true somehow.
 
May 6th, 2002, 01:10 PM
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Joe,Tried to email you. Here is what I got:

The following problems occurred while processing your request:

joeusvi - This is not a known member.

So who is a POSER here.
Ronnie
 
May 6th, 2002, 01:58 PM
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Joe
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I was obviously being facetious about how anyone can claim their ID is valid, sorry if that went over your head... your argument about email address validity is a red herring. Who knows if your address is valid? Anyone loser can get an ID on AOL in a second.

Since you own property in the USVI you should state that fact when you give advice so that people don't think you're just an innocent tourist offering them advice. Anyone who owns property there certainly has a reason to try to counter the facts as reported by valid web sites like the St. Thomas Source.
 
May 6th, 2002, 02:13 PM
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Joe,
I suppose I'm another "AOL Loser" but I just couldn't let this go by any longer. I don't own any property in the USVI, the only stake I have is desire for my next vacation. NO ONE has denied the existance of crime on the islands. What people like Ron and Schultz have attempted to do is bring some sense of perspective to the discussion. I just got home from a wonderful visit to St Thomas and St John and I'm hoping to get back this August with my 17 year old son. I certainly wouldn't bring my child if I didn't feel safe.
There is crime and poverty everywhere on the planet. I live in the NY metro area and take normal common sense precautions in living my life.
Why would someone want to scare people away from such a wonderful vacation destination? What stake do you have Joe? What happened to make you so angry at those of us that love the USVI?
Be well all and happy traveling!
Mary Beth
 
May 6th, 2002, 06:53 PM
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The way I see it, some people are trying to warn others of some incidents of rising crime in the USVI reported in the press. There's a history of different groups trying to suppress info like that. I'd rather have some links to web sites with real information rather than just another opinion from someone with an axe to grind or business interests to protect.
 
May 6th, 2002, 07:39 PM
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Well Joe, I guess you ready have been completely over my head. I guess I need to throw up the white flag and concede. You win.
Let me understand this correctly first. You know I own 2 properties, you know I post on several message boards, you want me to qualify myself when I post as to my holdings. So, when a person asks which restaurant to go to or what beach is nice, I should say I own 2 properties before I answer to qualify my answer. I see.
Why then don't you qualify when you answer questions on here? Why must I?
Also since you know so well that I answer on so many other boards, boards that I must use my email address on, how do you know it's me? Mmmm. Seems to blow a hole in your belief about my email address being a made up one. Yes it's made up. Made up the day I signed up for AOL, has been RonUSVI since then. If you don't believe me, why not email me? Oh, maybe you won't, then I would know who you really are! Well take care Joe, or whoever you are, or will be next.
I will give some thought to qualifying when I am answering questions, when I see everyone else doing it! Until then I will remain a proud Virgin Islander, whose family has been in these islands for 4 generations. Take care.
Ronnie
 
May 6th, 2002, 09:52 PM
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While all of you debated whether or not crime is really an issue in the USVI, the Police on Monday May 6 identified the latest victim in the rapidly growing number of murders on St. Thomas this year. Read it for yourself:

http://www.onepaper.com/stthomasvi/?v=d&i=&s=News%3ALocal&p=50629

Is it OK to warn tourists that this is happening, or should I just keep quiet so that no financial interests are adversely affected?
 
May 6th, 2002, 11:51 PM
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I'm sure Herr Schultz will feel much more comfortable on Caribbean-On-Line where you'll usually find him, and where the operator of that Board will censor you to the hilt and delete posts if you even DARE say anything negative about those disgustingly AWFUL islands!!!
 
May 7th, 2002, 04:41 AM
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"Disgustingly awful islands"??? Sweetheart you are so sad,lonely and bored aren't you? Guess it's been awhile since you had your last Caribbean vacation huh?
Here's an idea, get off the computer, get a job, save some money and go off to St John for a week or two. Maybe you'll make some friends.
 
May 7th, 2002, 05:09 AM
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Can Joe tolerate another resident posting something here without getting defensive and paranoid?
I don’t think I know who Ron is and I don’t think I know who Schulz is. I don’t own property here in the Virgin Islands but I do have a small business, I’ve lived here for almost twenty years and will probably live here for the rest of my life.
Joe, you and others who love to post all the negatives, do you know anything about the crime here other than what you read on-line? Have you ever followed up on the crimes that are committed either here or anywhere that you post about?
It’s sad that you can’t get it through your head that a few of us who live here simply post once in a while (me rarely) to help visitors who have legitimate questions. It has nothing to do with protecting interests. We’re intelligent people who choose to live here, who know what’s going on better than those “outside” and who have something to share.
We take pride in the place in which we live. It’s a joy to welcome visitors and share with them what we know about our home, it’s wonderful history and beautiful scenery. I would venture to suspect that you have been here at some time or the other and have had a problem which I would venture to guess had more to do with your general attitude and demeanor than anything else.
Nobody is denying that we have crime here. Maybe you live in a shack in the wilderness where nothing bad ever happens, or maybe you’re just simply a miserable being who likes to create melee but my point is that you really should write about what you know or have experienced first-hand rather than trying to scare off people by perpetuating negatives that you obviously know nothing about.
And, yes, this is my real e-mail address.
 
May 7th, 2002, 11:08 AM
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Get out the violin, another whining business owner crying now that it is painfully obvious so many people with financial interests are posing as tourists here, and trying to explain away violent crime. Its the same group on several different Carib boards, all trying to bash any messenger that doesn't have a rave review.

Gee, they have "real" email addresses. They must be honest.
 
May 7th, 2002, 11:49 AM
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The bottom line is to do your research to whatever place you travel. Contact their government, for that matter contact our government and see what they have to say. Go if you want to and don't go if you don't want to. What could be easier than that.
 
May 7th, 2002, 09:06 PM
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Hey, "Sadsack" -- why don't you try your nonsensical pop psychology on someone else. I have many friends on Grand Caymand and St. Barts -- the two most WONDERFUL islands in the Caribbean!!
 

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