Let battle commence! [Ashes 2017-18 thread]

Dec 5th, 2017, 01:19 AM
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What a lovely story, northie. I think that everyone has a soft spot for Johnny which is why the England team were so psyched up by the sledging he got in the last test.

Great contest going on now - emphasising again the daftness of not making us follow on. We don't need to hustle, we just need to stay in. James Vince is on the boat home, so far as I'm concerned. Brainless !

[I feel that I am channelling my inner Geoffrey!]

DD just said - it's the hope that kills you. How true.
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Dec 5th, 2017, 02:18 AM
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Northie - highlight for us tonight [apart from Joe's batting of course] was the Barmy Army teasing Steve Smith. Classic.
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Dec 5th, 2017, 08:02 AM
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Northie/Cheska - thought you might enjoy this compilation of the public's contributions to the BBC cricket on-line feed:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/cricket/42238239

My DD has promised to wake me up when she gets up to go to work at about 6.30 - which should be round about half way through the second session of play. If we're still playing, then I think we should have a chance.
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Dec 5th, 2017, 12:56 PM
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As John Cleese's character said in the film Clockwork

"It's not the despair. I can take the despair. It's the hope I can't stand."

Going to bed now, knowing that by the time I wake up, England will have collapsed against the new ball, and lost by 100+ runs.
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Dec 5th, 2017, 09:28 PM
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Yes it is awful having hope. I haven’t recovered from my footy (AFL) team losing in September and don’t think ican ever watch again.

While Australia won I didn’t really enjoy the game as I thought it was mean spirited on both sides. Or it could just be me. I thought Australia were far to cocky yesterday.

ann can’t say much to console you but at least we all have an eight day break. Does Kevin Pietersen annoy cricket lovers in England?
Willit. Did you have a crystal ball?
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Dec 5th, 2017, 11:09 PM
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Yes, Pietersen is annoying globally. Excellent batsman, first class (expletive deleted).

Crystal ball, no, but a great deal of experience following cricket, and English cricket in particular.
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Dec 6th, 2017, 02:30 AM
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Going to bed now, knowing that by the time I wake up, England will have collapsed against the new ball, and lost by 100+ runs.>>

yep. Except that I work up at about 4am, stuck the radio on, and listened to the whole sorry saga. I had hoped that Root would at least get his 100 but even that was beyond him. So far this series is turning out a great deal as I feared - Root's batting is being undermined by the weight of responsibility and he is not a strong enough character to captain the side. Having chosen to field, his bowlers needed to bowl well, but they didn't even manage to bowl averagely. A strong captain would have taken them off after the first 2 overs. [that's Geoffrey speaking again, but he's right] OHOT Smith didn't cover himself with glory either - not making us follow on was daft, but losing both reviews on consecutive balls was asinine. Still, it gave us the best comedy moments of the match; watching the Barmies doing the review sign every time there was a dodgy decision was priceless.

Cheska - I agree about Australia being cocky but I suspect that you would have found the English contingent equally so last summer. Winning gracefully is so much harder than losing gracefully I think.

As for Petersen, there must be some reason why people hate him so much.
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Dec 7th, 2017, 01:56 AM
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annhig - love the comments by the people at work !!!
Unbelievable those referrals - what were they thinking ?

Good to see jimmy Anderson get his 5 wickets .

Sad to hear Aggers is gong back to England - he told ABC listeners about his wife and her breast cancer and the care and concern he has had since coming here . Still we have Alison - she's excellent .

Will Stokes continue playing for Cantebury or will he play here ??? The drama ?????

Divided opinion about the dropping of Handscomb, the inclusion of Marsh and the non inclusion (yep I made up that word) of Maxwell.

Onto WACA.
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Dec 7th, 2017, 07:33 AM
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A quick trip to NZ and I missed the Adelaide test. I'm heading to the northern hemisphere next week, so will miss all of test 3 and 4, and get back towards the end of the Sydney test. Bad planning that! (just in case you thought I was a bit quiet!)

I'm not visiting any cricketing nations - so will be very limited in what news I can catch. (I recall trying to find out the results of a World Cup final while in Venice without tv or radio - had to text message home)

I did enjoy Kerry O'Keefe - his interactions with Harsha Bhogle were just wonderful.

Carry on!
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Dec 7th, 2017, 09:47 AM
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Sad to hear Aggers is going back to England - he told ABC listeners about his wife and her breast cancer and the care and concern he has had since coming here . >>

me too Northie - and I hadn't heard about that. Will have to look at the TMS website. As you say we still have Ali - did you see her walking on top of the stadium? Can't see Sir Geoffrey doing that. Glad you enjoyed the comments from the listeners - they often read them out on TMS in the summer and it's amazing how many women get through labour assisted by the sound of Aggers' dulcet tones. When they did the TMS 60th anniversary prog, it turned out that lots of people ask for the "leg-over" clip at their funerals too.

Stokes is still in purdah - no chance of his playing for England while plod makes up its mind about whether to charge him, but he is in the one day squad. And it sounds as if he's a bit rusty - he only scored 2 for Canterbury. There was a fun interval when one of the journalists who was sent over to cover it was interviewed - it didn't sound like the most exciting event ever, but they did report that the 400+ crowd was about 8x more the normal numbers they get for that sort of game so that was something I suppose.

What bad timing, margo. For updates though you might try the BBC website. I know that we have been able to pick the TMS commentary in Europe from time to time. We missed O'Keefe and Harsha - so far they haven't made it onto the BBC. At the WACA perhaps?
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Dec 8th, 2017, 09:28 PM
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annhig how will the timing of the WACA test affect your sleep pattern? Bad enough here on the east coast of Aus as Perth is 3 hrs behind, so will be on when I get home from work. Perth could be hot weather.

I hope that the next test is played in a better spirit.

My DH will be at the Boxing Day test for day one with family so I hope it doesn’t rain.
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Dec 9th, 2017, 02:13 AM
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Cheska - the bad news is that play starts at about 02.30 GMT on Thursday am, but OTOH it does on until about 10am, so I can wake up to it. I'll be staying with friends so I might have to ask nicely to have the TV on at 6am so it'll probably be TMS under the bedclothes!

Meanwhile no sooner had the ECB lifted the night-time ban and one of our brave boys gets himself into an incident in a bar. Brainless or what? More sledging material?

I too hope for "good" weather on Boxing Day.
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Dec 9th, 2017, 09:31 PM
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I expect young men, alcohol and an a team environment does lead to an occasional brain fade. All of our footy stars say when this happens to them that they were tired and emotional.

Hope you have all survived the wild weather in England.
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Dec 10th, 2017, 07:17 AM
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All of our footy stars say when this happens to them that they were tired and emotional.>>

Ours too, Cheska, but this was just asinine - the first evening after they lift the team curfew too. How many more examples of the trouble that drinking on tour can get them into do they need? If team discipline were what it should be they shouldn't need curfews - the thought of a dressing down from the captain should be enough. But I honestly don't think that Root is going to scare anyone, except with a bat in his hand.

We had wind today but no snow - the advantages of a maritime climate and the influence of the Gulf Stream. My mum however who lives in the Midlands has about 20cm, and it looks as if it might last for a few days too. I hope it's gone by the time I have to drive up there to bring her back here for Christmas!
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Dec 12th, 2017, 02:05 PM
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I wasn't going to get the ham this year but then. Was told in no uncertain terms what would we take for lunch on Boxing Day at the G - my son is even coming from Broome to see the test this year . They'll go off with many leftovers and buy rolls at the Vietnamese bakery - our tradition ! And the ham!

Trevor Bayliss seemed quite frustrated with the latest drink episode - don't envy that job .
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Dec 13th, 2017, 09:33 PM
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northie. Thank goodness the error of your ways was pointed out to you. Ham sandior rolls are a must on Boxing Day. My breakfast on Boxing Day consists of ham on toast, and as trifle can’t be taken to the Cricket I have to eat the it for breakfast.

The WACA pitch is doing its normal thing. Hazelwood is bowling well so far.
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Dec 15th, 2017, 07:41 PM
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A good score by the visitors for 1 St innings - amazing how Root has won every toss.
Wonderful batting by Smith at the moment .

cheska- my kids take the berry fruit salad and slices of cake - it's a real pig day for them but they do leave the trifle . Mm mm - for breakfast - now there's an idea .
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Dec 16th, 2017, 12:32 AM
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Fwiw despite the results thus far and the carnage this afternoon I don't think there is too much of a gap between the sides - probably the main difference is that the Australian quicks are just that extra bit faster, which comes in particularly handy creating chances and getting them to carry when conditions are in favour of the batsmen. Might have been interesting seeing Stokes getting among the runs yesterday.
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Dec 16th, 2017, 12:04 PM
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farremog, there was a lot of talk on TMS that our attitude was wrong - shoulders went down, catches went begging [though TBF they were very difficult ones] and there seemed to be an acceptance of the inevitable, whereas in the main the Aussies have been up for every session and full of aggression [mainly in a good way!] The best attitude IMO has been shown by Overton who is prepared to keep going all day long.

I agree that your bowlers are better suited to the conditions, and all credit to them, but the conditions were known in advance as was Stokes' absence so why not pick at least one who was a real quickie? Liam Plunkett for example is not detained at her Majesty's pleasure, and is really fast.

And despite the fact I don't like him much, Smith really leads from the front. A wonderful innings and some great captaincy. Will he go for Lara's record? in a way I hope he does because that might mean you run out of time to bowl us out!

One of the TMS commentators posed an interesting [to me] question. What do teams do about trying to win test series abroad? Do they use their home series as preparation, perhaps not picking the best teams for their home conditions, or do they aim to please their home supporters and make preparation for the series on foreign soil a secondary consideration?
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I have to say there's precious little cricket in Norway. Good rhing too, as its -8C this morning.
No TMS here but the Aussies seem to be getting along OK.
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