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just HOW BAD is jetlag coming back to the US from NZ?

just HOW BAD is jetlag coming back to the US from NZ?

Apr 5th, 2005, 06:48 AM
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just HOW BAD is jetlag coming back to the US from NZ?

Hi all

Pretty soon I am going to have to book my tickets to NZ. I have a choice of heading home anytime b/w Friday evening and Sunday sometime, to be back to work on a Tuesday.

how much time should I allow myself to get over jetlag enough so that I am not falling asleep at inopportune times? I'd like to try to max out my time there, but I don't want to get back on Sunday only to find out this much jetlag will really kick your butt.

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Apr 5th, 2005, 07:15 AM
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I don't know where you are but taking the US West Coast as an example, the time difference with NZ varies between 3 and 5 hours (it's currently 5). Most people can deal with that in a day or two.

In my experience, the best way to minimize jetlag is to choose flights that get you home or to your destination close to bedtime. Avoid at all costs those flights that get you in at 6am.
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Apr 5th, 2005, 07:25 AM
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thank you! It's only 5, really? for some reason I thought it was 13+ hours from the East coast (I live on the East coast).

I was going to come back on Sunday but my brother just got back from Japan and said it took days for him to get over the jetlag.
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Apr 5th, 2005, 07:27 AM
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the time clock above says it's 16 hours ahead right now. that's pretty much upside down.
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Apr 5th, 2005, 07:34 AM
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Well, technically it's 16 hours ahead, but it affects your body like it's 8 hours behind (mutatis mutandis any time difference over 12 hours).
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Apr 5th, 2005, 07:47 AM
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Flygirl - everyone will have their own opinion on this as it affects each person differently.

My family usually has a worse time going west (to Australia) than east (to Florida.) Our personal experience is that it takes us about 2 days to get used to the new time in Oz. Coming back is a different story though. We seem to not be affected on the return! I think that's due to the fact that we usually pack activities into every spare minute of our vacation and by the time we get on the plane to come home, we're thoroughly exhausted and sleep the entire way.

A couple years ago, we got back on a Sunday afternoon and my (high school age) kids started school on Monday morning without any problems.

Also - if you're returning to North America, don't forget that you "gain" a day when coming home! That day that seemingly disappeared from the calendar when you go to NZ comes back as a 48 hour day on your way home! We usually plan our return flight from Australia around 11 AM Sunday, arrive in Los Angeles at 7 AM Sunday (4 hours before we left in Australia) and end up in Miami sometime Sunday evening.

My vote would be to leave on Sunday.
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Apr 5th, 2005, 10:07 AM
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My reaction is minimal going to NZ but terrible coming back! It's taken a few weeks to adjust. I just rely on coffee to stay awake.
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Apr 5th, 2005, 10:24 AM
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The rule of thumb is one day per hour of time change before your brain and body are re-synched. Thus 8 hours = 8 days. Usually I can beat that by a day or two, and at less than 3 hrs change it doesn't much phase me after the first morning. 8 hours is US west coast to the UK, and it seldom takes me less than 4 or 5 days to get the clock straight. Westbound is another story - half the time compared to eastbound.
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Apr 5th, 2005, 11:33 AM
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I think it probably took me about a week to get over it - but then, I think it was mostly depression about having to leave NZ in the first place!
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Apr 5th, 2005, 11:58 AM
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thank you again! good info. I think I'm also going to get one of those U shaped neck pillows to sleep more easily on the plane. I already use earplugs and eye masks. any other tips for trying to get even a little sleep on the plane?

we are going with the 99s, a woman pilot's association (it is their international conference, with tours and so forth added in) and the leader of our group is an 88 year old woman, bless her heart! She just got back from Croatia yesterday, and last summer she went to Mongolia. Isn't that amazing? Guess anyone with gumption to become a pilot gets out and about as much as they can.

Should be a good trip overall, hoping to even go flying over there.
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Apr 5th, 2005, 12:51 PM
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You will have jetlag, and it might be bad, but New Zealand is soooooo worth it that you won't even care!
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Apr 5th, 2005, 01:27 PM
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I've been wondering the same thing... how much an effect jet lag will have on me.
I'll be coming from Cairns to the US East coast so that will be a 10 hour difference. I can do 3 with no effects, 5/6 with little effect, but 10 is quite a different creature.
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Apr 5th, 2005, 02:32 PM
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Gardyloo's rule seems about dead on to me.
I didn't think I'd be zonked for so long but it really did take me about 18 days to really feel myself again. Both my travel partner and myself couldn't believe how tired we were.
We were both still able to function and go to work , but mid to late afternoon I was ready for a huge nap.

I know technically if you look at it the other way around, it's only 6 hours, but when all is said and done, NZ is 18 hours ahead.
I'd give yourself a day or two before returning to work...and expect to feel tired for a couple of weeks.
It was worth it!!!
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Apr 5th, 2005, 05:28 PM
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it also took me a couple of weeks to feel back to normal again. i remember being COMPLETELY worthless the next day. i kept myself up until 9pm the night i came home and someone called me the next morning at 10:30 am from a DEAD sleep! my poor sister had to go back to work the next day and she was really hurting.

i would also do it all again in a heartbeat.
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Apr 5th, 2005, 07:16 PM
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We have flown from Australia to the US and Europe quite a few times and usually it takes about 3 days to recover from jetlag. A few years ago we wanted to be wide awake on our first day overseas instead of disoriented and drowsy, as we were meeting friends from the UK, so we tried a product called No Jetlag www.nojetlag.com

We found it pretty good and we did feel it worked for us, when we reached Rome on that trip we feel pretty good. There are a few threads on this forum about this product, it might be called something different in different countries. I couldn't find it at a pharmacy but the health food store has it.
Might be worth trying, the only thing against it is you have to take one every few hours which means being awake to take it.
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Jan 18th, 2006, 10:41 AM
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From the manufacturer's page at www.nojetlag.com: "The five homeopathic remedies listed below are the active ingredients in No-Jet-Lag: Arnica Montana 30C (Leopard's Bane), Bellis Perennis 30C (Daisy), Chamomilla 30C (Wild Chamomile), Ipecacuanha 30C (Ipecac), Lycopodium 30C (Clubmoss)".

"30C" is not a quantity; it's a homeopathic designation of dilution, equal to 1 part per 1 followed by 60 zeros. That means one molecule of the substance dissolved in an amount of water more than 30 billion times the size of the earth. There isn't a single molecule of the substance spread over every single one of these pills ever manufactured.

In other words, there's nothing in them. They have no ingredients. If they work for you, it's the placebo effect.
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Jan 20th, 2006, 07:13 AM
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I live on the East Coast of the US as well. The first time I went to Australia it took me 3 weeks to get back to normal. It was horrible-I'd be up from 4 AM-6 PM and then conk out. But after a few weeks it was okay. The second time I went to NZ/OZ it took me a week to recover. The third and fourth time I had absolutely no jet lag. I guess I got used to it. However, it's totally and absolutely worth the pain of having your clock be off for a while to go to New Zealand! Just don't plan anything big for after work for the first week you are back so you can just go to work and then go home to sleep if necessary.

I also take Ambien on the flight-usually I take a natural nap from NYC-LAX, load up on food during the changeover, then watch a movie and pop an Ambien so I get 8 hours of sleep on the way over. Works like a charm.

Have a great trip!!!!
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Jan 20th, 2006, 07:14 AM
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Oh, and stay in NZ as long as you can! You'll beat the jetlag soon enough but every precious day over there counts!
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Jan 20th, 2006, 04:15 PM
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I've been back for several months - it actually took no time to get into the time zone - one day - and coming home I was back to normal by the second day. so not bad at all!
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Jan 20th, 2006, 08:59 PM
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I have used Nojetlag and absolutely recommend it (placebo or not ~ it works)

I first used it on an Auckland - LA flight and had great success. Forgot to take it on the return trip and suffered for days.

Forgot to take it on an Auckland - Honolulu flight and had an awful few days, took it on the flight home and had no problems at all.

Great stuff ~ wouldn't hurt to give it a go!
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