advice needed for 1 month Australia trip

Aug 29th, 2005, 11:36 PM
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Liz this is a site to give useful info to those who ask for it , have some fun in giving it and impart impressions of places which we know about or have travelled to .What part of ' I like Tasmania , Queensland has lovely beaches and climate , every Australian City has something good to offer 'did you not understand ? I did not like Sandfly , Huonville , Cygnet and other towns south of Hobart .I loved other places .If you have 2 or 3 days from overseas do you want to drive to see fibro cement houses or historic well preserved old towns ? Is the Gold Coast prettier than Noosa ? The point of this site is to give fact or opinion - objective or subjective or any combination of them all .It is called diversity. You don't have to agree but you don't have to be nasty.Please do not respond with another diatribe .Get over it .
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Aug 30th, 2005, 02:30 AM
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Bravo JohnFitz. I have been gobsmacked at the rudeness of lizF on this and other threads. And yes, Liz, I live in Melbourne and come from Adelaide and have lived in Sydney and Canberra and your fair State too, so I reckon I can be as objective as any other traveller. I love Tasmania, just like JohnFitz apparently does, but would I recommend Cygnet, Huonville, Snug? Not on your nelly. So much of Tasmania is just so much better. Fantastic - if you want to live in Sandfly I'm sure you'll fit right in. Would you recommend Ipswich? Inala perhaps? How about Goondiwindi? Your ridiculous dismissal of entire cities and their populations just reveals infantile prejudices. Every part of Oz has something unique to offer. Yep, some places have more subtle charm and require some effort to appreciate. Perhaps that's why you couldn't find anything interesting about three nights in Adelaide.
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Aug 30th, 2005, 01:12 PM
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Well good for you Paul that you have moved to Melbourne.
While you are searing the keys of your computor perhaps you could tell everyone who has not been to Adelaide or Melbourne what particular parts of each city is an "International Destination" worthy of a tourist spending their hard earned money on.
Melbourne is a hotchpotch of grotty inner suburbs, nothing attractive or interesting except a couple of sandstone buildings which are hardly of note. Adelaide is a nicer city and cleaner but again hardly worthy of a stopover. Compare Melbourne with Sydney, Perth, Canberra, Brisbane, Darwin AND Adelaide and it does not even note a mention. Its grotty, its dirty, its noisy and uninteresting and has a dreadful climate.
Finally I will make this point - it seems to me to be quite OK for the likes of you and JohnFitz to make disparaging remarks about other towns/cities which are quite off the mark and when someone like myself chips in with a bit back you and the likes of JF cannot take it. Perhaps you should ask those 3,000 people per week who are leaving the likes of Melbourne and moving to the Gold Coast why they have a great need to get away. Do they not see the so-call "hell on earth" that JF says the Gold Coast is?.
JF's comments about the names of various places is stupid as well and I am sure that the people who live there are not in the least concerned about his jibes as they have come to expect, as has the rest of Australia, that if anyone is Australia is parochial it is those who live in Melbourne, but it still does not make Melbourne a better place but it certainly does seem to breed some of the most unsavoury people in Australia.

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Aug 30th, 2005, 06:28 PM
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Thats an interesting point you raised LizF, concerning the huge number of Australians moving to Queensland. I heard that approx. 1,000 people move into Queensland each week. I wonder who live turn off the lights in Melbourne, when the last persons leaves.
Sorry guys, I don't wont to start WW3, I like visiting Melbourne, but prefer the Victorian coastline & countryside more so, than the city, but thats just me, I'm not really a city person after living in Sydney for a number of years.
As for Adelaide, nice, but a bit boring.
Well I better be off, for another swim in the Bay (only at high tide though), water temps around 20 degrees at the moment. The locals wont swim in the Bay, until the water temperature is around 26 degrees, the wimps. Beautiful day here today, air temperature around 25 degrees, and no wind.
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Aug 30th, 2005, 07:21 PM
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I think this childish squabbling between forum participants is a most ungracious introduction to our country for potential visitors.
There is great rivalry between States which reflects the justifiable pride that their respective citizens have. That does not detract from the actual benefits of visiting those areas.
As Australia is about the size of the 48 States, there is obviously plenty for visitors to see.
Incidentally, if you want to see sandstone buildings, go to Adalaide, Melbourne is built of Bluestone.
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Aug 30th, 2005, 08:02 PM
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Oh thanks Galah for putting me right - I had always thought that Bluestone was just a 'colour' of some particular sandstone.
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Aug 30th, 2005, 09:45 PM
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Galah, I do so agree. The diversity of views and interests is what makes this site so useful. What's NOT useful in defensing one's favourtie places is slagging off at whole cities in the way lizF persistently does, while choosing not to see that her detractors are actually supporting many terrific places she adores. By all means you will find Adelaide boring if what sets your heart on fire is Dream/Sea/Movieworld and highrises. And Mt Tamborine is a much prettier landscape than Mt Lofty. But if it's wine,food, galleries and colonial buildings you enjoy, then the Gold Coast can't compete with its many rivals. And if you're in Tasmania and you like these things, it won't be the south that tugs at you, but the towns between Hobart and Launceston. Surely these are the points JF and I were trying to make? Melbourne's weather may not be its best selling point but that's not why people go to London either. And, yes, the exodus to Queensland is very interesting but there are still 4 million of us here to turn the lights off. Some of us (me included) tried living in Queensland and couldn't stand it. Disagreeing with those who love the Gold Coast doesn't make us "offensive upstarts" (lizF) or "the most unsavoury people in Australia" (lizF again). It just means I'd pick New York over Miami every single time.
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Aug 31st, 2005, 04:10 AM
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Here is something from a different perspective. I was in Australia not long ago ( sorry I have not done my report as promised but have been very ill and the recovery time extended longer than expected) but I will do it I promise as there are many people I need to thank.
I do spend more time lurking on this forum and not writing until this particular post came up and I have to add my dollar's worth.
When I travelled in Australia I took ideas from the following people, Pat Woolford in Cairns, Troppo in Hervey Bay, LizF in Tamborine Mountain, Alan in Sydney, Neil in Canberra and Margo in both Victoria and in Sydney. I am sure there were some others but they were the main ones. I could not have had a better time nor could I have packed in so much quality travel in the time allowed if it had not been for them.
I went to Tasmania as well and I did a trip around the places that JohnF has said were funny and banjo-like, which I guess he means backward, but I found these little places an absolute delight. I loved it that they were not overrun with KFC or billboards and that it was pure country hospitality and charm. I thought that Huonville was quaint and lovely and so were the other little places around there. I also liked the historic towns and just about everywhere else in Tasmania as the lifestyle there is so soft and gentle. I absolutely loved Sydney, everything about it. Melbourne was nothing special and I would not bother to go there again as there is nothing that stands out about it at all.
Byron Bay, the north of NSW and the South East of Queensland was wonderful and I was taken by LizF to many places that I would never have know existed. The Gold Coast is a very vibrant and colourful place with something for everyone. It does have highrise accommodation buildings but thats no different than Sydney, Melbourne or Adelaide etc. It also has some wonderful eating places and fantastic beaches. Its a great place!
I followed a trail that Troppo made up for me in his area of Queensland and had an absolute ball and I thank him very much for his efforts which were very much appreciated.
In Cairns I stayed with Pat at Lillybank B&B and one day I will confess to her which tedious American I actually was. There was one particular pain in the butt American there at the same time which meant that I was not going to show my colors to her because of that, some people have no humility or manners!
I flew to the center and stayed at Ayers Rock which was OK but again I would not go again. It is a long way to go just to see a rock and its very expensive.
What places would I have stayed longer in if I had had the time and not gone to others:
I would explore Tasmania for longer, say about 10 days. I would skip Melbourne and the Great Ocean Road. I would spend about 6 days in Sydney and do say 3 days in Canberra.
I would love to drive from Sydney to the Gold Coast next time and spend some time going off the highway to the beach areas en route. I would also spend about 5 days around Byron Bay and the inland areas there.
I would also spend at least 5 days in and around the Gold Coast as there is so much to see there too.
Brisbane is a lovely clean city with a real tropical feel about it but it is not really a tourist destination.
The Sunshine Coast and Hervey Bay/Fraser Island was wonderful thanks to the input from Fodor people.
Cairns, Port Douglas/ Daintree etc is worth 7 days which should include a trip to the Atherton Tablelands. Staying at a place like Pat's Lilybank you get all the inside information on the area and its a nice place to relax too.
I would not go inland again unless I went say from Adelaide to Ayers Rock/Alice Springs and then onto and around Darwin.
I would love to spend time seeing the north west of Western Australia.
The people I found the nicest were those in Tasmania, whether they were in Hobart or in the smaller villages and those people in Queensland who are unpretentious and charming. I must add too that I thought that people in Sydney were very friendly and welcoming as well.
All in all I think Australia is a fantastic country and again I would like to say that I feel so lucky that I asked the questions on this forum from those who have spent so much time giving people such fantastic help.
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Sep 1st, 2005, 08:16 PM
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Dizzy, what nice comments. I'm thrilled to think that I was able to help you with your holiday ideas. Should you ever return to Hervey Bay area, just ask me over Foders, and I will give you my email address, and I would be happy, to drive & show around, perhaps places that you missed.
You know we aussies, like to "stir the possum" every now & then, and that includes other aussies. Don't take any offence to my comment, about turning off the lights in Melbourne. I love Melbourne and many parts of Victoria. The same goes every part of Australia.
I always get a thrill when I see someone has enjoyed a location that one has recommended. I'm not like a lot of other people, and I do have my favourite places, that I like to share with others, and hope they get the same enjoyment that I do, when I visit these places.
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Sep 1st, 2005, 10:07 PM
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Yep Trop there are some really top spots around Hervey Bay and Fraser Island but we won't talk about them now will we.
If you have not done so already take a kayak down the Mary River you will be rewarded by some of the most beautiful little places that you could ever hope to see.
Have a great w/e
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Sep 2nd, 2005, 12:56 AM
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PaulsS, maybe I was wrong. LizF is a disruptive forum member. Ignorant of geology too, if she thinks bluestone is just a color of sandstone.
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Sep 3rd, 2005, 04:55 PM
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LizF - what a great idea, I never thought of a kayak down the Mary River.
I thought the Mary Valley Way was a standout, just loved Imbil. You can stand in the middle of the road, and not get run over by a car. We are thinking of driving down to the Sunshine Coast when we return from UK, and this time drive into Kenilworth, and right around & up into Maleny, I have heard that this route is also outstanding for scenery.
Another drive we are considering (in autumn, when its no so hot), is to drive from Hervey Bay to Gin Gin, then out to Mt.Perry & stay in the motel, which is a converted movie theatre, look at the old gold mine, then, across to Eidsvold, Mundubbera, Gayndah, Biggenden, then back to Maryborough & H/Bay. (Not sure if its an interesting, but then you don't unless you go)
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Sep 3rd, 2005, 07:57 PM
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If you are up for a bit of adventure try a three night kayak trip down the Katherine river with Gecko eco tours, might be a bit too much water in march though, depends upon the wet season but certainly good in april/ june.
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Sep 3rd, 2005, 10:07 PM
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The part of the Mary River which is really interesting is when it dips down and heads towards the Sunshine Coast.
Your drive sounds good Trop and its about a lifetime since I went through that way so cannot comment on that but perhaps in the not so hot months you could try the inland road to Chinchilla then go down to the Bunya Mts and back up through Cooyar, Yarraman, Nanango, Goomeri and home. If though, you have not been out to Carnarvon Gorge then you must do that trip AND you "must" stay at the pub in Injune over night - it used to be called Grace's Pub but I think its just the Injune Pub now. Big old western Qld pub with accommodation. There is another one in the middle of Miles but I cannot remember the name of it, has great steaks. Eidsvold has a music and singing festival each year but I am not sure what time of year that is and its quite reknowned in S.E. Qld.
Imbil is great, I went to Uni with a girl from there. Its claim to fame of course is that its close to where they have the Country and Western Muster festival each year. But you have a great time in the UK with family - you must be getting really excited by now.
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Sep 4th, 2005, 08:35 PM
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LizF - We have visited Goomeri, Kingaroy & Bunya Mtns, but I have made a note of the other pubs & places you have mentioned, many thanks.
This will be my last reply, heading off very soon to London, thanks for the best wishes, will converse on travel issues in a months time. Regards.
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Sep 6th, 2005, 12:42 AM
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