Tokyo Fall GTG 2013
Jun 4th, 2013, 04:15 AM
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About that subway planner. The elctronic one, not RHK's. Am I missing something, or is it as useless as teats on a bull?:
- It doesn't include JR lines. So if you ask the planner how to go from Shinjuku to Shibuya, it gives you some subway connection instead of the direct Yamanote Line.
- It doesn't include some subway lines, such as the (very useful) Oedo Line.
- You have to choose the To/From stations from a list, and the list isn't in alphabetical order. Good luck with that.
Best thing about the Subway Planner is its link to Subway Manners - http://www.tokyometro.jp/en/ride/manners/index.html . But if you're trying to figure out how to get from one station to another, the better tool (though imperfect) tool is still Hyperdia ( www.hyperdia.com ).
- It doesn't include JR lines. So if you ask the planner how to go from Shinjuku to Shibuya, it gives you some subway connection instead of the direct Yamanote Line.
- It doesn't include some subway lines, such as the (very useful) Oedo Line.
- You have to choose the To/From stations from a list, and the list isn't in alphabetical order. Good luck with that.
Best thing about the Subway Planner is its link to Subway Manners - http://www.tokyometro.jp/en/ride/manners/index.html . But if you're trying to figure out how to get from one station to another, the better tool (though imperfect) tool is still Hyperdia ( www.hyperdia.com ).
Jun 4th, 2013, 07:08 AM
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To some I guess the glass is always half empty.....
This is the Tokyo Metro Company subway planner. Why would they include private subway lines such as the Toei Oedo to confuse and add supplements on your subway ticket. You know, the ones that when you try to exit the gate.....bang, it won't open and you have to pay a supplement and if your in a small station, for a newbie, well you know the problems and time involved there. Where's that dang supplement machine located anyways......
As for JR line trains, well again this is the Tokyo Metro subway planner. Key word here is 'subway". Subway travel means not having to go to main stations only and being much closer to most tourist sites/venues. Not having to go from the bottom floors(subway tracks) in these JR main stations and up to the top floor and separated JR line tracks. And of course if your going from Shinjuku to Shibuya or Tokyo or Shinagawa or any main JR station for that matter you wouldn't consider the subway because you would take the JR lines that connect the main JR stations.
if you take a look at the train stations and lines listed you will see that they are in ascending order as M1 through M20. They take you from the start of the line till the end of the line in order of stops. I think they train monkeys these same <i>tricks</i> in lab tests, lol
I do admit that hyperdia is the superior tool for finding any type of <b> train</b> schedule throughout Japan but for easy <b>Tokyo Metro subway</b> usage I find that this tool works our pretty well for me though I did have troubles with matching the square and triangle tests recently.
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This is the Tokyo Metro Company subway planner. Why would they include private subway lines such as the Toei Oedo to confuse and add supplements on your subway ticket. You know, the ones that when you try to exit the gate.....bang, it won't open and you have to pay a supplement and if your in a small station, for a newbie, well you know the problems and time involved there. Where's that dang supplement machine located anyways......
As for JR line trains, well again this is the Tokyo Metro subway planner. Key word here is 'subway". Subway travel means not having to go to main stations only and being much closer to most tourist sites/venues. Not having to go from the bottom floors(subway tracks) in these JR main stations and up to the top floor and separated JR line tracks. And of course if your going from Shinjuku to Shibuya or Tokyo or Shinagawa or any main JR station for that matter you wouldn't consider the subway because you would take the JR lines that connect the main JR stations.
if you take a look at the train stations and lines listed you will see that they are in ascending order as M1 through M20. They take you from the start of the line till the end of the line in order of stops. I think they train monkeys these same <i>tricks</i> in lab tests, lol
I do admit that hyperdia is the superior tool for finding any type of <b> train</b> schedule throughout Japan but for easy <b>Tokyo Metro subway</b> usage I find that this tool works our pretty well for me though I did have troubles with matching the square and triangle tests recently.
Aloha!
Jun 4th, 2013, 07:19 AM
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I have now tried both planners on this route:
Shinjuku-Sanchome to Asakusa at 9 AM on 10/25
The Subway Planner suggests taking the Marunouchi Line and transferring to the Ginza Line at either Akasaka-Mitsuke (35 minutes) or Ginza (38 minutes). Cost for either is 230 yen. Easy.
Hyperdia's fastest suggestion (25 minutes) requires a 6 minute walk between Bakuro-Yokoyama and Higashi-Nihombashi stations. Granted, this route does start out on the Shinjuku line, which is not displayed on the Subway Planner. Cost is 260 yen. All other suggestions involve multiple transfers with fares up to 490 yen. In fact, one route suggestion involves a transfer to the Ginza Line at Akasaka-Mitsuke but instead of taking it all the way to the end at Asakusa, it suggests a 2nd transfer at Nihombashi to the Asakusa Line (also not displayed on the Subway Planner). Draw your own conclusions...
I am sure there are situations where the Subway Planner misses stuff, like taking the JR Yamanote Line from Ueno to Komagome Station near Rikugien Garden, for example...
Shinjuku-Sanchome to Asakusa at 9 AM on 10/25
The Subway Planner suggests taking the Marunouchi Line and transferring to the Ginza Line at either Akasaka-Mitsuke (35 minutes) or Ginza (38 minutes). Cost for either is 230 yen. Easy.
Hyperdia's fastest suggestion (25 minutes) requires a 6 minute walk between Bakuro-Yokoyama and Higashi-Nihombashi stations. Granted, this route does start out on the Shinjuku line, which is not displayed on the Subway Planner. Cost is 260 yen. All other suggestions involve multiple transfers with fares up to 490 yen. In fact, one route suggestion involves a transfer to the Ginza Line at Akasaka-Mitsuke but instead of taking it all the way to the end at Asakusa, it suggests a 2nd transfer at Nihombashi to the Asakusa Line (also not displayed on the Subway Planner). Draw your own conclusions...
I am sure there are situations where the Subway Planner misses stuff, like taking the JR Yamanote Line from Ueno to Komagome Station near Rikugien Garden, for example...
Jun 4th, 2013, 08:50 AM
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Craig, The subway entrance closest to the Citadines is Shinjuku Gyoenmae. Unless of course your just using as an example....
For reasons I mentioned above I <b>never</b> use the JR train and subway combo unless its the only way to get somewhere I want/need to be in Tokyo.
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For reasons I mentioned above I <b>never</b> use the JR train and subway combo unless its the only way to get somewhere I want/need to be in Tokyo.
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Jun 4th, 2013, 09:24 AM
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First drop in Tokyo is ¥710. This is not Bangkok.
http://www.taxifarefinder.com/main.php?city=Tokyo-Japan
Note the price from Shinjuku Station to Roppongi Hills(Tokyo GTG neighborhood) ¥2707.09. That is a short ride in Tokyo. To get to Asakusa/Ueno from Shinjuku via taxi would be like going from a riverside hotel in Bangkok to the Jim Thompson on soi 58(?) in rush hour traffic. The good part in Bangkok is the fare at the end of the long ride. In Tokyo.......take the subway.
A side note about taxis in Tokyo and all of Japan for that matter. <b>DO NOT</b> attempt to open or close the back doors. They are automated and open and close as the taxi driver sees fit to do. If you try to open or slam the door shut, you will incur the wrath of the taxi driver as you will be ruining his door mechanisms. Let the door open, get in and sit down but do not close the door. It will happen automatically. Same when you get out. Let the door open and get out and walk away. Do not attempt to close the door......patience grasshopper.
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http://www.taxifarefinder.com/main.php?city=Tokyo-Japan
Note the price from Shinjuku Station to Roppongi Hills(Tokyo GTG neighborhood) ¥2707.09. That is a short ride in Tokyo. To get to Asakusa/Ueno from Shinjuku via taxi would be like going from a riverside hotel in Bangkok to the Jim Thompson on soi 58(?) in rush hour traffic. The good part in Bangkok is the fare at the end of the long ride. In Tokyo.......take the subway.
A side note about taxis in Tokyo and all of Japan for that matter. <b>DO NOT</b> attempt to open or close the back doors. They are automated and open and close as the taxi driver sees fit to do. If you try to open or slam the door shut, you will incur the wrath of the taxi driver as you will be ruining his door mechanisms. Let the door open, get in and sit down but do not close the door. It will happen automatically. Same when you get out. Let the door open and get out and walk away. Do not attempt to close the door......patience grasshopper.
Aloha!
Jun 4th, 2013, 09:31 AM
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Another thing I see quite often is the gaigin will lean forward/bend over to open the door with hand on handle when the auto door swings opens and the tourist will get a face full of door falling backwards.
Jun 4th, 2013, 02:53 PM
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What? Your saying you are paying for the taxi fees for you and your guide? How generous of you!
By Japanese custom the all knowing also reminds you that you should include a daily lunch for your guide in that package. Though I shudder to think what is now being considered for inclusion into that package.
By Japanese custom the all knowing also reminds you that you should include a daily lunch for your guide in that package. Though I shudder to think what is now being considered for inclusion into that package.
