It appears what AAFF is saving is don't book an international flight with American more than four months in advance. No one wants to fly them and the price will go down.

<b>rkkwan</b>,

I know, but for some reason I can't help myself.....

btw, great logic there!!! (about wine, seatbelts and toilets).

and final note - Unless we were experiencing turbulance where the FAs were asked to stop service, sit down and buckle up, I have never been stopped from going into a bathroom on any AA flight when and if the AA flight did have the seatbelt sign on. It's done for the paxs safety but it does not preclude one from using the toilet when needed.

Besides - the light is not on that much anyway, nowhere near what Wally thinks, believes, or experiences.....

as posted by <b>Wally</b>,

<i>It appears what AAFF is saving is don't book an international flight with American more than four months in advance. No one wants to fly them and the price will go down.</i>

You are really loosing me (and I'm sure others) at this point.

because you said the following:

<i>Looking at prices for <b>next year</b> to Europe, American Airlines is matching Virgin Atlantic's price, <b>and British Airways is $35 cheaper.</b> Doesn't take too many brains to go with the airline that offers free alcohol and food--not a snack pack.</i>

so, when I proved to you that AA is the same or possibly cheaper on some randomly chosen dates, you really go of the deep end and just post random and what seems like not really thought through ideas, or whatever you want to call it.

Perhaps it's time to &quot;fly&quot; AA, and I don't mean American Airlines.....

&quot;<i>If you want free drinks and flight attendants that don't wake you up at 3:00 a.m. to say, &quot;The captain has not turned off the fasten seatbelt sign, please return to your seat,&quot; fly British Airways</i>

Why would you NOT want the FA to <u>wake you up</u> to tell you to return to your seat?!

If you were sleep walking that could be dangerous. If you were passed out in the aisle then people might step on you. If you were passed out in the loo then people might do other things on you. So the FA was doing you a favor.

I really think the fasten seat belt sign is enough to let the passengers know to return to their seat. Why, would you like the flight attendants to say it in 50 different languages at 3:00 a.m?

And as for the prices, I was checking on the dates that I want to fly; June and July.

ok Wally,

I picked 2 random dates in June and July for MIA-LHR

June 12-19
BA - $1003.73
AA - $1003.80

July 12-19
BA - $1063.73
AA - $1063.80

You tell me...????

AAFF...

We all appreciate your devotion and loyal to AA and I am in no way suggesting that this is not your right.

However, one has to admit there is a degree of contempt for coach passengers with little things, which simply cannot be all that expensive to the airlines in the scheme of things, as substandard meals (you just can't compare the quality of the meal on a trans Atlantic flight on Virgin or BA as compared to AA), the free booze, the inedible snack pack they give out instead of sandwiches we get on VS and BA on the LHR-JFK route and yet the fares are pretty much the same!

And listen...if they want to charge for a meal on a trans Continental flight, why not a real meal...how much does the meals cost...$8 or so...again while you may not feel it's a big deal to sit without food for 6 or 7 hours, at least on Greyhound every couple of hours they pull up to a service area on a motorway and you can feed your body...when you're captive in a close tube for 5 or 6 hours, that's a different story.

Like I said, it's a sign of contempt for the well being of the passengers.

Again, AA. American would match BA's price when you made a connection in either Chicago, Houston or New York. AA would not give you the Miami London Non-Stop flight both ways or the price was more than BA's. I'm using www.kayak.com. Check non-stop prices. Why would I want to fly from Miami to Houston to get to London?

BTW, when was the last time you flew American in coach? On my last flight during Labor Day, when the passengers got up in first class to use the toilet--no problems. However, when the passengers went to the back of the plane to use the toilet in coach, the announcements were, &quot;There are too many people trying to use the toilet, please return to your seat,&quot; or &quot;The pilot has not turned off the fasten seat belt sign.&quot;

AFAIK,

meals on transatlantic flights are <b>free</b> on AA and it's pretty much the same grub that's served on BA and/or Virgin.

<b>Wally</b>,

I did compare the fares on www.ba.com and www.aa.com.

Both airline sites gave me non-stop flights for the fares posted above, MIA-LHR-MIA.

AMERICAN AIRLINES

56

MIA Miami

06/12/2007 08:10 PM

LHR London

06/13/2007 09:45 AM

777
AMERICAN AIRLINES

57

LHR London

06/19/2007 10:05 AM

MIA Miami

06/19/2007 02:25 PM

777
Fare Summary ?
Average Fare Per Person - 888.00 USD
Passenger Type Used in Pricing

Fare per Person

Additional Taxes and Fees per Person

Total Price
1 Adult

888.00 USD

115.80 USD

1003.80 USD
Total Price

1003.80 USD

BA0206 Miami,USA Heathrow (London),United Kingdom Economy (Traveller) Tue 12 June 2007 ,17:15 Wed 13 June 2007 , 06:35
Inbound BA0207 Heathrow (London),United Kingdom Miami,USA Economy (Traveller) Tue 19 June 2007 ,09:40 Tue 19 June 2007 , 13:45

Price breakdown
Fare per person plus taxes, fees, charges and surcharges* per person Total
1 Adult $ 758.00 $ 245.73 $ 1,003.73
* The price of your ticket includes a security, insurance and fuel surcharge per flight levied by the carrier. For details please click here .
Total flight price $ 1,003.73
(US Dollars)

<b>xyz123</b>,

I really don't care what airline one chooses, but if somebody chooses to post some inaccurate information and pretend it's a <b>fact</b>, then I have a problem with that.

There is no truth to the OP's claim about pricing and the OP's and your's claim about the service and food. As I stated above, both airlines service depends on the crew and it could range from fantastic to poor, and I know, I used to fly both in coach, and now fly both in business or first. The grub in coach is about the same and it's free. The only difference is the alcohol.

All I said in my first post was that one can choose to get alcohol for free or one can choose 100% miles, which would give one a free domestic ticket with about 3 R/Ts to London from US.

You do the math!

Airlines
nonstop 1+
Air Canada $1023
Air France $1059
Alitalia $1098
American Airlines $1039 $1001
British Airways $1004 $1094
Brussels Airlines $1124
Continental $1266 $1067
Delta $986
Iberia Lineas $961
Lufthansa $1139
Multiple Airlines $945 $822
Northwest $1014
Scandinavian Sys $1348
Singapore Airlines $1715
Swiss Intl Air $1078
United $1017
US Airways $1006
Virgin Atlantic $1039

Here are the results of my Kayak search, June 13 outbound and July 10 return:

Non-stop is the first column and 1 stop is the second column. BA beats AA by $35 in the non-stop.

Continental and Singapore are on the Virgin flights. The interesting one is the Multiple airlines. Fly out on American and return on Virgin. Does anyone know how the FF miles work on that ticket?

AA:

What is the story about American Airlines giving alcohol in coach on flights across the Pacific Ocean?

Yes, Delta is offering a free drink during their main dinner or lunch service on international flights.

Thanks, MoeMom.

One of the nicest comments people can make about a flight is that they served a nice meal.

Wally

Just for your info, along with a free drink with dinner or lunch, Delta has also started walking through with a basket of snacks before or after they walk through with water on flights to Europe. On flights from Europe, they come through with ice cream in the middle of the flight. And yes, this is for economy class.

AAFF...

Have you flown AA coach from JFK-LHR lately...trust me there grub is much better on VS and BA...the entertainment system on VS, even in coach, is far superior to AA and of course the drinks are free.

Now whether or not these small amenities are a big deal is in the eyes of the beholder...I just continue to think that AA shows much greater contempt to its passengers on these matters than do especially VS but also BA.

IMHO

You guys are just going round and round on this and you must understand that nobody is going to be changing their position so y'all must be just interested in arguing.

I don't agree that airlines should tack on another $0.05 to my ticket price so that you can have a couple of glasses of wine.