Private Kruger reserves vs. Botswana

Jul 22nd, 2010, 08:57 PM
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I see what you say about Umkumbe location. Next to Nottens, seemingly in MalaMala territory.

A Sabi Sand map does not show Umkumbe but shows camps Luilekker and Dudley in that same area next to Nottens. Never heard before of Luilekker or Dudley in Sabi Sand. Anyone?? Wonder if one of those camps/lodges became Umkumbe?

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Jul 22nd, 2010, 10:14 PM
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I went to the luilekker website and it doesn't mention Sabi Sands. It's about 2km from ZASM tunnel? Nothing on Dudley.

Maybe Mala Mala leaving the Sabi Sands marketing group so they could lease their property? Interesting. Singita and Londozi considering same?
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Jul 22nd, 2010, 11:52 PM
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Here's the map I was looking at -

Yes, found same as you when googling Luiekker and Dudley, not sure what is going on. Very old map info???

FWIW, MalaMala is not part of the official Sabi Sand Reserve association. A few other camps also. Not sure what that means but for our practical purposes they all are in Sabi Sand Reserve.

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Jul 26th, 2010, 02:04 AM
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Well I'm also not sure exactly where Umkumbe is or what their traversing area is, but I will hopefully post about it in September.
@ pixelpower, the difference between sabi sand / timbavati and manyeleti, is that manyeleti is owned and managed by the Limpopo government, whereas SS and timbavati are a collection of privately owned game farms which are managed collectively by agreement, and governed by a constitution. The Manyeleti main camp used to be similar to a Kruger National Park rest camp, now it is completely run down and deserted. The adjacent community enters at will to poach in Manyeleti, and I have heard of government bigwigs having their own private hunting/poaching expeditions in manyeleti. The location is great, but the management of it is a disaster. But like I said, my info is outdated and I'm not sure if things have improved in the last 2 years.
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Jul 26th, 2010, 06:09 AM
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Hi there

With regards to our experience in the Manyeleti - I haven't been there for 4 years, but at the time we were there the game viewing was really good. We stayed in a camp with 6 dome tents, no fences...adrenalin!! The last evening of our stay we had 5 lions walking amongst the tents (2 males, 3 females) and they eventually settled about 50 metres away - the two males roaring for what seemed to be hours. It was a totally awesome experience. (I may just mention that we took our own 2-way radios with so that we could communicate from tent to tent at all times.) The Manyeleti is open with the Kruger (no fences between them) and I'm not sure how that would impact the eco-management and if SANParks have any say in what happens there.

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Jul 28th, 2010, 01:15 PM
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Tom, I found out that Umkumbe is wedged between Dudley and Londolozi to their north, and nottens / sabi sabi to their south. The bad news is that they only have traversing rights on their own land, 670 hectares total. That is about 2km x 3km area for game drives, with no other vehicles traversing that area so nobody else to call in sightings. If you are lucky and have a good sighting, it means no vehicle pressure which is great. But more likely it will mean repetitive game drives and a shortage of good sightings like the rest of the Sabi Sand. This may be their weakest point. Will wait and see in September.
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Jul 28th, 2010, 01:38 PM
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Interesting WW. 2km x 3km, 1.25miles x 2 miles sounds very small. I'd think a vehicle could search it thoroughly in what, less than a hour? So likely is what you say about game drives. Three nights there, 5-6 game drives and you may have memorized the road/trails!!!

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Jul 28th, 2010, 10:11 PM
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WW - thanks for the info.
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Jul 28th, 2010, 11:53 PM
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Yes, and thanks as well WW for the info on Manyeleti.

I will certainly report back. I hope things are the way livng4safari says, lol.
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Jul 29th, 2010, 05:37 AM
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By the way, what I read here about Manyeleti is a bit discomforting. Living4safari speaks about a great experience, 4 years ago. But WW speaks about rather awful stuff, two years ago.

Does anyone have any RECENT experience to share?

There are some rather expensive places in Manyeleti. I mean; more expensive then Pungwe, where we go. Like the Honeyguide camps (Khoka Moya and Montabeni), at R3000 or more pppn. Or Tintswalo Safari lodge, where the rates are even higher. At those prices, a good wildlife experience should be a given, right? I mean, they'd surely run out of business fast, if game is scarce.


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Tintswalo Safari Lodge is a luxurious 5 star property in the Manyeleti Reserve – as there are no fences our game viewing is phenomenal and changing all the time. We have a large variety of smaller animals and birds that are on the “endangered species” list, and we are very proud that these animals and birds have chosen the Manyeleti to call home.

Tintswalo Safari Lodge is the ONLY lodge in the Manyeleti that is allowed to off-road, which means that when we do you will find no other vehicles in the sighting and can sit and enjoy it as long as you wish. Besides the big 5 we are also proud of the cheetah and wild dogs that visit. The leopard population is growing in leaps and bounds as we currently have a female with 2 cubs of about 9 months old which are very comical to watch, and then another female with 2 very tiny cubs. Both females live around the lodge and are often seen drinking out of the plunge pools in front of the suites, and the cubs playing on the walk ways and termite mounds – really very special.

There is so much on offer at Tintswalo Safari Lodge – our spa is beautifully set overlooking the open bush veld, guests enjoy the sights, sounds and scents while being massaged and pampered, or should you be celebrating something like an anniversary or your honeymoon we will spoil you with a romantic hydro bath on the deck of the spa where you can sip on champagne in your rose petal filled bubble bath and watch the wildlife walk by you.

Every night we dine under a blanket of stars, but if the weather should turn we have cosy fireplaces inside where a drop of sherry or two will quickly warm the insides. We have our wine cellar stocked only with South African wines, every meal has a dedicated bottle of wine as we pride ourselves on our food and wine pairing – so every meal is a wonderful taste experience leaving you excited about the chefs’ next creation!

We love spoiling our guests with surprises. Always keeping something “up our sleeve” – during your game drive you will come upon our stunning formal bush drinks set-up where we have open fires, and lanterns set against the setting sun. A full bar and tasty snacks are enjoyed while sharing a story with your experienced guides, or a breakfast in the bush where buffalo and elephant like to come and see who has come to visit them.
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