Andy's BBC winner
Oct 30th, 2008, 09:49 AM
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Are you two by any chance related? You both seem to be beset by an inability to understand that other people may not wish to agree with you and a total failure to understand the points being raised.
Andy
Perhaps you could explain why you consider James post to be generous, perhaps it is his reference to "sour grapes". Do you know any words other than negative or childish.
Andy
Perhaps you could explain why you consider James post to be generous, perhaps it is his reference to "sour grapes". Do you know any words other than negative or childish.
Oct 30th, 2008, 10:07 AM
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First off, Andy, great image and congratulations on your photo being recognized as winning the landscape division and being a finalist for the grand prize.
Secondly, while we live in a society that values free speech and I agree with the what was once said "While I don't agree with what you have to say, I will fight to the death your right to say it", I also am a firm believer in the concept that just because you have the right to say something doesn't mean it's the right thing to say.
Please let us not turn every post into a contraversy when this should be a celebration of one of our group's receiving special recognition.
Healthy disagreements serve a purpose but the ones here tend to get ugly.
Eric
Secondly, while we live in a society that values free speech and I agree with the what was once said "While I don't agree with what you have to say, I will fight to the death your right to say it", I also am a firm believer in the concept that just because you have the right to say something doesn't mean it's the right thing to say.
Please let us not turn every post into a contraversy when this should be a celebration of one of our group's receiving special recognition.
Healthy disagreements serve a purpose but the ones here tend to get ugly.
Eric
Oct 30th, 2008, 11:51 AM
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Andy,
I did not hijack the thread at all.I merely gave people the chance to view all of the winners in the competition, and expressed my own opinion on the quality of the judging. The fact that you are happy that people constantly promote you on thes forums is clear and your self promotion is clear to the majority.
Who exactly of your customers is is that "make a go of it"?
Perhaps I should have started a separate thread in order that I did not distract from the praises that you have clearly earned?
I believe that we may have our James muddled. I presumed it to be JGardner that you were referring to as being kind, you must in fact have been referring to the first poster.
As I see it many posters agree with me regarding the winning image. The others seem to like yours good luck to you.
I did not hijack the thread at all.I merely gave people the chance to view all of the winners in the competition, and expressed my own opinion on the quality of the judging. The fact that you are happy that people constantly promote you on thes forums is clear and your self promotion is clear to the majority.
Who exactly of your customers is is that "make a go of it"?
Perhaps I should have started a separate thread in order that I did not distract from the praises that you have clearly earned?
I believe that we may have our James muddled. I presumed it to be JGardner that you were referring to as being kind, you must in fact have been referring to the first poster.
As I see it many posters agree with me regarding the winning image. The others seem to like yours good luck to you.
Oct 30th, 2008, 01:00 PM
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Ken
Actually, I specifically said that you were entitled to your opinion and I to mine. I didn't try to change yours, simply to express my own. You, on the other hand, followed my post, which dissented with your own, with an attempt to argue with my position and seemed to want to pull me into debating it with you.
Who exactly is it here that has "an inability to understand that other people may not wish to agree with you and a total failure to understand the points being raised"?
Certainly I understand yours, and can even see why you might feel that way. I simply disagree, and that is fine.
You, on the other hand, seem to take the dissenting opinions as some kind of personal affront.
Actually, I specifically said that you were entitled to your opinion and I to mine. I didn't try to change yours, simply to express my own. You, on the other hand, followed my post, which dissented with your own, with an attempt to argue with my position and seemed to want to pull me into debating it with you.
Who exactly is it here that has "an inability to understand that other people may not wish to agree with you and a total failure to understand the points being raised"?
Certainly I understand yours, and can even see why you might feel that way. I simply disagree, and that is fine.
You, on the other hand, seem to take the dissenting opinions as some kind of personal affront.
Oct 30th, 2008, 02:47 PM
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Congratulations on the image, Andy!
Surprise, Surprise, more promotion of Andy Biggs by James Weis. Whilst many are happy for Andy, least us not forgot that these two are business associates. This forum and the number of agents and underhand promotions!
Lets promote the photographer that leads some of our photographic tours......so transparent James.
Have set up 200 remote triggered cameras this afternoon, this concession is quite small. Again, I will spending three months away from my family in deepest, darkest Africa........YAWN
Surprise, Surprise, more promotion of Andy Biggs by James Weis. Whilst many are happy for Andy, least us not forgot that these two are business associates. This forum and the number of agents and underhand promotions!
Lets promote the photographer that leads some of our photographic tours......so transparent James.
Have set up 200 remote triggered cameras this afternoon, this concession is quite small. Again, I will spending three months away from my family in deepest, darkest Africa........YAWN
Oct 30th, 2008, 04:18 PM
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Beautiful, haunting photo Andy Biggs. Congratulations! Well done.
Aside from the camera trap, wasn't anyone suspicious about a guy named <u>Winter</u> winning a <u>Snow</u> leopard photo? Seems rigged to me.
I'd just love to see a snow leopard some day, whether a photo ever results or not.
At least this guy, Steve Winter, was honest with his submission in stating it was remote triggered shot. He could have said he stayed up all night waiting and shot the thing with his frozen index finger and we'd all be none the wiser.
Funny how photos get everybody all edgy. I think some vanity (that was a good term!) does slip into the gap between what's out there in the wild, and our photographic capture of it so that we can own and manipulate it (Photoshop), with our egos exerting control over what cannot be controlled.
I think that's what is going on in our heads but I still am not sure what all goes on inside the camera when I point and shoot.
Anyway, great job on the winning photo Andy.
Aside from the camera trap, wasn't anyone suspicious about a guy named <u>Winter</u> winning a <u>Snow</u> leopard photo? Seems rigged to me.
I'd just love to see a snow leopard some day, whether a photo ever results or not.
At least this guy, Steve Winter, was honest with his submission in stating it was remote triggered shot. He could have said he stayed up all night waiting and shot the thing with his frozen index finger and we'd all be none the wiser.
Funny how photos get everybody all edgy. I think some vanity (that was a good term!) does slip into the gap between what's out there in the wild, and our photographic capture of it so that we can own and manipulate it (Photoshop), with our egos exerting control over what cannot be controlled.
I think that's what is going on in our heads but I still am not sure what all goes on inside the camera when I point and shoot.
Anyway, great job on the winning photo Andy.
Oct 30th, 2008, 07:27 PM
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Andy, congratulations! You have a stunning image. It must be amazing to see in a large print.
I enjoyed seeing the other winners as well. "Troublemaker" the Macaque by Stefano Untherthiner is a wonderful image and I also enjoyed Polar sunrise by Miguel Lasa. Actually, I enjoyed quite a few of them and you are in great company, Andy!
I enjoyed seeing the other winners as well. "Troublemaker" the Macaque by Stefano Untherthiner is a wonderful image and I also enjoyed Polar sunrise by Miguel Lasa. Actually, I enjoyed quite a few of them and you are in great company, Andy!
Oct 30th, 2008, 10:28 PM
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Clearly everybody thinks differently here is my final post on this subject. The words are quoted directly from the setter up of the machinery for the winning shot!
"I used to hate these cameras because they gave you a record of an animal.
"Images are all about composition and light. If I cannot control that as if I would as I put the camera up to my face, then essentially I have failed.
"So I asked myself that if I did not like these cameras, how can I like them more.
"It turns out that snow leopards are the perfect species on which to use these cameras. They always come to specific locations to mark their territory.
"So I viewed the locations as movie sets. I put the cameras there, I put the lights there.
"I knew the animal would come; it was just wanting for the actor to walk on stage and break the beam."
view the entirety on
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7696188.stm
I think the above says it all!!
For anyone thinking it might be because of rarity just google for Snow Leopard photos there are thousands many of which were taken in the wild. Pictures are certainly not rare but those taken by hand rather than machinery are.
If you really wish to see some exceptional Snow Leopard then I recommend this even if it is a video.
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/nature/shop/snowleopard.html
"I used to hate these cameras because they gave you a record of an animal.
"Images are all about composition and light. If I cannot control that as if I would as I put the camera up to my face, then essentially I have failed.
"So I asked myself that if I did not like these cameras, how can I like them more.
"It turns out that snow leopards are the perfect species on which to use these cameras. They always come to specific locations to mark their territory.
"So I viewed the locations as movie sets. I put the cameras there, I put the lights there.
"I knew the animal would come; it was just wanting for the actor to walk on stage and break the beam."
view the entirety on
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7696188.stm
I think the above says it all!!
For anyone thinking it might be because of rarity just google for Snow Leopard photos there are thousands many of which were taken in the wild. Pictures are certainly not rare but those taken by hand rather than machinery are.
If you really wish to see some exceptional Snow Leopard then I recommend this even if it is a video.
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/nature/shop/snowleopard.html
Oct 30th, 2008, 11:02 PM
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Well done Andy, a very evocative photo of one of the last big empty places on earth, a perfect fit for a Wild Places category.
Snik: when I set a camera trap I definitely try and picture the movement of the animal, how it will appear, from what direction, where it will go, and based on that try for a placement and angle of the camera that will get a successful shot but as both you and the photographer point out you have very little control over composition and none over the light. This person used a lot better equipment and did a much finer job than most researchers who are truly after a 'record' shot.
To me it is a great accompishment and required a lot of skill and know how of his equipment and also of his subject, which takes much more skill than the majority of photographers who show up at known wildlife locations. But it also is totally different than a photographer behind the camera making skillful adjustments according to light and what the subject is doing and on that I agree that the two techniques shouldn't even be compared. I think it would be a great category of its own but I do not see how it can be compared, and win a contest vs. active photography where artists adjust to conditions to control the capture of their image.
Snik: when I set a camera trap I definitely try and picture the movement of the animal, how it will appear, from what direction, where it will go, and based on that try for a placement and angle of the camera that will get a successful shot but as both you and the photographer point out you have very little control over composition and none over the light. This person used a lot better equipment and did a much finer job than most researchers who are truly after a 'record' shot.
To me it is a great accompishment and required a lot of skill and know how of his equipment and also of his subject, which takes much more skill than the majority of photographers who show up at known wildlife locations. But it also is totally different than a photographer behind the camera making skillful adjustments according to light and what the subject is doing and on that I agree that the two techniques shouldn't even be compared. I think it would be a great category of its own but I do not see how it can be compared, and win a contest vs. active photography where artists adjust to conditions to control the capture of their image.
Oct 31st, 2008, 01:41 AM
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Ken, that's an interesting link, thanks for posting it.
For me, there's room for both categories of photography in the contest but, as I said before, I can see why some of you feel differently.
So would you have been happier had there been a specific category for remote camera images?
For me, there's room for both categories of photography in the contest but, as I said before, I can see why some of you feel differently.
So would you have been happier had there been a specific category for remote camera images?
