mtaback

Stephen Birnbaum was my teacher of things travel, especially to Europe - and even more especially to London. Like many others, I was deeply saddened to hear of his passing. Many have tried to emulate his work, but, at least to my mind, no one comes close.

Unfortunately, I have long since thrown away my UK guide and I am trying to recall a term Stephen used - the nickname for pensioners who reside at the Royal Hospital, Cheslea. The term I seek is NOT Peelers.

Does anyone have any ideas?

Thank you.

michelhuebeli

Had never hear of him, he died in 1991 - do you think his books are still relevant? Would you recommend reading them still?

vervid

Growing up in the UK I only ever heard them referred to as "Chelsea Pensioners". This term used to be used as a nickname for Chelsea football club as they are located close to the Royal hospital, and used to play like pensioners.

flanneruk

There's a huge amount of publicity - much of it mildly treacly - around the Chelsea Pensioners. Practically every PR person short of an idea for a product aimed at the elderly resorts to getting a photo-op of it with a Chelsea Pensioner sooner or later.

Between Remembrance Saturday and Nov 11, the media invariably is stuffed with references to them.

But I've never heard them called anything but the Chelsea Pensioners. Very rarely, a subeditor short of space might say "the Pensioners", though that IS the common nickname for Chelsea FC, so it rarely gets through to print.

Was Birnbaum (or the poster's memory) confusing this with the regular newspaper cliche of calling surviving WW1 combatants "the Old Contemptibles" (a typically British recasting of the dismissive remarks Kaiser Wilhelm II made about the British regiments he was happy to strut around as colonel in chief of as long as the toy soldier uniform he got for it matched his delusions)?

Sadly, there are no more surviving British WW1 combatants, so the phrase has almost disappeared. But it'll doubtless stage a comeback as the WW1 centenary industry clicks into operation from summer next year.

nona1

I'm UK too, and I've never heard of a nickname for them.

You weren't getting confused with the Tower of London warders being nicknamed 'beefeaters', were you? (or Birnbaum).

nona1

P.S. Peelers was the nickname for the early policeforce set up by Robert Peel, so nothing to do with pensioners of any type.

The navy also used to have its official pensioners - the Greenwich pensioners. Their nickname was the 'grey geese'.

dulciusexasperis

Could it be the, 'men in scarlet'.

Pepper_von_snoot

I also grew up in London and never heard of any sobriquet for the Chelsea Pensioners.

I do know that many church pensioners are called Bedesmen.

See Anthony Trollope's The Warden for further details.

Thin, Trollope Fan

janisj

I agree w/ the others. I'm pretty sure there isn't a 'nickname' for the Chelsea Pensioners - I've never heard them addressed as anything else . . .

michelhuebeli

UK and US - divided by a common language: In the US a peeler is a stripper.

maitaitom

Wow...Stephen Birnbaum...Have not heard that name in decades.

When I traveled to Europe back in 1984 for the first time as an adult, his was the main book I used to come up with an itinerary through France, Germany, Austria and Switzerland. It worked well, too.

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Pepper_von_snoot

Sorry, I have lived in the USA since 1979 and I have NEVER heard a stripper referred to as a peeler.


Thin

janisj

>>In the US a peeler is a stripper.<<

In <i>what</i> part of the country would that be? Never ever heard anything like that.

michelhuebeli

Peeler = stripper - well, maybe you just don't get around much any more? (Jess kidding...). It's definitely not an invention of mine, it's corroborated by a great many dictionary entries, as you will see when you google the term "peeler nickname for stripper" or such.

vervid

During my 29 years in the UK I never heard a policeman referred to as a "Peeler". I suspect its use died out shortly after Sir Robert, replaced by much more down to earth nicknames.

PatrickLondon

I seem to have a vague memory that "peeler" has been used to mean a policeman in Ireland more recently than in England.

But if we're wandering that far off topic, are we all agreed at least that peelers don't wear pasties?

Morgana

I wonder if he was talking about the Pearly Kings and Queens - which I know are nothing to do with Chelsea Pensioners! Pearly and Peeler are vaguely similar.

Morgana

Pearly Queen is 'safe' to google by the way!

dulciusexasperis

Since no one seems to have the answer mtaback, why not just buy a new guide and look it up? You can get one for $5 used.

http://www.abebooks.com/Birnbaums-Lo.../7885728539/bd

Re a stripper being a peeler, there is no doubt that is a synonym for a stripper. Whether it is regional or simply has gone out of fashion I don't know but I can recall the term being used a few decades ago quite commonly.

Common enough that as michelhuebeli notes, it is in the dictionaries as such.

https://www.google.ca/#q=origin+peel...iptease+artist

tuscanlifeedit

Yep, I think getting your hands on an old Birnbaum book is the only way to go on this one. It appears that this nickname was indeed his and not something in even slightly general usage.